Alright, guys I'm very sorry that I haven't been on that much lately. Last week, because of fourth of July, i took the entire week of, so my activity was unusual. Back at work and my schedule is kinda annoying but here goes.
I'm going to VOTE: for again.
It's possible that a50 is scum. It's also very possible that Titus is scum. It's also possible that they are scum together.
(My thoughts on this: RC was scummy. Like this is basically objective fact at this time. a50's reaction to RC first posts, the ones that were incredibly sus and eventually resulted in our fight and people scumreading him, was that for the first time, he was townreading RC. The first time RC mentioned a50 was asking him why he wasn't doing anything useful. a50 responds that he has already said that my slot (momo) is the towniest in the game, and he's not going back on that. RC doesn't push him further. This seemed very much like an interaction in between two scumbuddies.
Then, when he was sufficiently townread, a50 went inactive. (To be fair, one could argue that I'm doing the same thing, but ik my motivations are different). When pressure comes on him again, he's right back. It was very un a50-like to basically sit out my and RC's argument. He didn't want to alienate town on his side, but he didn't want to push against his scum buddy either.
Ofc, then a50 could have also been town.
@popsofctown's
about 2 obvscum and 1 deepwolf struck a cord with me. In any situation in which a50 is scum, this statement would most likely be true. But then a50 agreed. That response (1047 to 1046) doesn't seem like something scum would make.
Because of this,
a50 is NOT in my D1 lynchpool
.
Now, moving on to the Titus lynch (and why I have voted for again). I hate to make this argument, because it could very well be interpreted as scummy (but could be towny as well), the Titus lynch gives us the most information.
If Titus is scum, this is obvious. We get a scum lynch, and information.
If Titus is town, we also get a lot of information. Let's be fair, the majority of the substantive interactions D1 have surrounded the slot. Lynching town would be a loss, but it would also give us a lot. It would help differentiate in between town and scum. We could view people on wagons, their tones when interacting with the slot, the level of commitment made.
I don't want to lynch town. I don't think Titus is town. But even if she is, her lynch helps town win the game.
The proposal being voted on right now is a solid available path. Lynching Titus is almost certainly the best path forward. This is why, I must revote for, and why I think the rest of town should too.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:40 pm
by momo
Also, I don't want to assume that RC made a tactical replace out, and there's no way to prove it, but let's consider this. If RC hadn't replaced out, he would have gotten lynched.
He replaces out, and in only the way a replacement can, Titus ignores everything against her and tries to push on.
Then, in a way that is only possible with the help of scumbuddies, Titus looks like she might not get lynched.
This does not look good for that slot.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:30 pm
by callforjudgement
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:26 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Is 7 or 8 votes hammer I'm not sure
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:45 pm
by momo
8
Why aren’t you voting yet?
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:51 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Because I'm not sure about this arrangement but I don't want things to drag on too long and it hits key points for me. As such I'm amenable to hammering this at this point. VOTE: For
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:51 pm
by Titus
In post 1050, momo wrote:Alright, guys I'm very sorry that I haven't been on that much lately. Last week, because of fourth of July, i took the entire week of, so my activity was unusual. Back at work and my schedule is kinda annoying but here goes.
I'm going to VOTE: for again.
It's possible that a50 is scum. It's also very possible that Titus is scum. It's also possible that they are scum together.
(My thoughts on this: RC was scummy. Like this is basically objective fact at this time. a50's reaction to RC first posts, the ones that were incredibly sus and eventually resulted in our fight and people scumreading him, was that for the first time, he was townreading RC. The first time RC mentioned a50 was asking him why he wasn't doing anything useful. a50 responds that he has already said that my slot (momo) is the towniest in the game, and he's not going back on that. RC doesn't push him further. This seemed very much like an interaction in between two scumbuddies.
Then, when he was sufficiently townread, a50 went inactive. (To be fair, one could argue that I'm doing the same thing, but ik my motivations are different). When pressure comes on him again, he's right back. It was very un a50-like to basically sit out my and RC's argument. He didn't want to alienate town on his side, but he didn't want to push against his scum buddy either.
Ofc, then a50 could have also been town.
@popsofctown's
about 2 obvscum and 1 deepwolf struck a cord with me. In any situation in which a50 is scum, this statement would most likely be true. But then a50 agreed. That response (1047 to 1046) doesn't seem like something scum would make.
Because of this,
a50 is NOT in my D1 lynchpool
.
Now, moving on to the Titus lynch (and why I have voted for again). I hate to make this argument, because it could very well be interpreted as scummy (but could be towny as well), the Titus lynch gives us the most information.
If Titus is scum, this is obvious. We get a scum lynch, and information.
If Titus is town, we also get a lot of information. Let's be fair, the majority of the substantive interactions D1 have surrounded the slot. Lynching town would be a loss, but it would also give us a lot. It would help differentiate in between town and scum. We could view people on wagons, their tones when interacting with the slot, the level of commitment made.
I don't want to lynch town. I don't think Titus is town. But even if she is, her lynch helps town win the game.
The proposal being voted on right now is a solid available path. Lynching Titus is almost certainly the best path forward. This is why, I must revote for, and why I think the rest of town should too.
Tldr
Momo says A50 is his partner but won't lynch it because of Titus is more active. Thus more things to obfuscate from.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:53 pm
by Titus
In post 1055, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because I'm not sure about this arrangement but I don't want things to drag on too long and it hits key points for me. As such I'm amenable to hammering this at this point. VOTE: For
This is why you don't triple propose without at least discussing my proposal pops.
I can't get a majority of town against my lynch repeatedly. So scum lurk.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:02 pm
by Nero Cain
I wouldn't mind lynching icon or Vecna but I'm having a hard time getting over you not realize that you were being lynched and it looked like an intentional dumb tell.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:26 pm
by Oversoul
L-1, for those of you watching at home.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:42 pm
by Almost50
You know what? I'm gonna go mechanical.
VOTE: against
I'll put my trust in Nero
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:50 pm
by Almost50
I dunno what I'm doing, actually. iirc pops voted momo's proposal down, both pops & momo went against Vecna, and Vecna's opposed to this one by pops. If anything this looks like pops & Vecna are not scum together, and if that;s the case they all should be town because they've been giving the strongest roles to each other more or less.
@Nero: Why is Vecna scum here? And why is Iconeum? And don't swamp me with gut reads and stuff. I want something logical to go by.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:53 pm
by Nero Cain
I'll quote pull in a bit. Damn you for not letting me be lazy.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:17 pm
by Hidden Happiness
As much as I disagree with lynching Titus I do agree that if we're not going to seriously discuss anyone else it'd be better to see if we're right/wrong in context. I think some of the disagreers wouldn't be averse to a proposal on Icon or A50 though so I'm going to hold out. If we keep proposing we could probably extend this day for another week or two.
I don't think pops/momo/vecna are a scumteam lol but I don't think "someone gave another person the strong role just like they did" is alignment indicative, its kind of like buddying.
there's going to be some overlap here since this is also a reason why I'm suspicious of Vecna but this made me tinfoil a Vecna-Icon team that takes opposing stances on a player.
In post 785, Nero Cain wrote:I don't really like the idea of giving scummy players a miller role b/c assuming we get a cop @ some point they can just use but "im a miller" as an excuse for why they invested as red. Miller should go to someone that's town and a that's being heavily town read by the majority.
And for that reason, I'm out.
VOTE: against
That is exactly what I am darling.
So what do you think about yourself in the IC role, becayse thats the change id expect you to comment on.
The miller allocation has been there for a while.
What does the bolded mean? I mean, giving me IC just gets me shot n4. Do you think that scum want to deal with conf town Nero? no, they don't. I'm not really sure what would be best to give me b/c I'm not very good at long term strategy. I kinda liked the idea of being the backup and having one of the useful prs but eh...
This sounds like dodging. Being backup is likely to give you a powerfull role, depending on scum strategy which means a likely early exit as well.
If it's your goal to live past N4, why not go for some of the lesser roles?
I just didn't like this interaction. At the time I was being proposed a miller role so what he was saying really made 0 sense. I mean, I was being asked how I felt about being an IC and I gave my honest opinion about it. I think being shaded over it was dumb and scummy.
In post 974, Oversoul wrote:I feel like we are spending an inordinate amount of time discussing role distribution and kind of just accepting Titus's death which is making me paranoid. I think the most important roles to actually distribute is the miller for obvious reasons and potentially Day 3 King, but to a lesser extent. I think we need to refocus because there seems to be some consternation about Titus and Not-Titus.
I'm having a hard time being active in this game because of the mechanics talk. I'm not very good at it, and I tend to start sheeping if I can't keep up with the discussion.
In post 1001, apthet wrote:Oh jesus. I thought my modifier was unique. Carry on. I'm so embarassed.
Who told you? I don't suppose you "suddenly" decided to look at the OP at this point, so "someone somewhere" must've pointed it out for you.
It largely depends on whether you see town!apthet visiting the OP in reaction to post 999.
I bought that but I see less than 100% equity in that and some equity in her figuring it out the other way.
The real question is whether there is equity in forcing a townslip as scum while being mostly townread by the high volume posters.
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:42 pm
by Vecna
In post 1040, popsofctown wrote:None of Titus's read progression seems authentic. She's as of now suspicious of both a50 and apthet even though those slots are very much in opposition to eachother. I don't know what HH or Vecna see in this slot.
I don't know either, I just have a feeling this is the desperate town version of moon logic. I might be wrong and the slot decided to tryhard upon replace in since its still an early game.
The last few times I saw titus replace into a scumslot were very different. This time I actually believe that she believes her own posting.