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In post 1032, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:

In post 1015, the worst wrote:can we plynch mena

We may have caught scum and you want to redirect to lynch Mena? Ducky, literally wtf is this?

BP

you'll note i have not shifted my vote.

(plynch = policy lynch sorry)

In post 1018, Alduskkel wrote:also tw what do you think of uncrowned and LAMIST townreading Menalque? If emps flipped town would you still scumread him?

i'm actively aware i need to reread mena but his iso makes me want to throw up rn
working with guiltied scum!emps and building a towncore to enter lategame with rn

In post 1028, JJJ wrote:eth0s

hmm i hadn't ID'd you and agree you're within scumrange but i do think some of the stuff you've done here tends towny.

In post 1029, Uncrowned wrote:OHHH HAIIII FORMER SCUM BUDDY

Man I'm really curious. Are the differences between my scum and town that obvious? (That's directed at TW too, also we can leave this for post game so we dont derail if you guys want lol)

: 3 ~

you're actually not super easy to read correctly as scum tbh. but sometimes you obvtown really hard, and this game you were kinda ambiently towny d1 in a way that's pretty hard to fake as scum.

In post 1030, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:

In post 1004, emps wrote:if we hit scum today and uncr dies we still know that theyre cleared

You earlier said theres like a 100% chance of you being the lynch, now you're saying if we hit scum? Yeah, this is role fishing.

BP

:3

In post 1038, Menalque wrote:eh I'm sorry about last night

I was drinking and got frustrated

I mean I still am frustrated but yeah, I apologise for the toxicity

knowing it's eth0s makes me a lot weaker on hh!scum

I think ducky is probably the partner

apology accepted. ♥ you're still wonderful, and sometimes caring a lot can be exhausting. just uh... try and not care that much if you can avoid it y'know?

HH is indeed not scum

In post 1044, JJJ wrote:I think that we should be Uncrowned's target tonight to clear us, since we're apparently null or confusing for a lot of people, so that would clear us. - Y

this is like, a perfect 5-6/10 suggestion even if you are scum
ico/lamist optimal clears imo

i think i'm probably a slightly better than average target but also trust my ability to obvtown lategame so i'll leave this to uncrowned's discretion

he should announce target before EOD tho, emps can selfhammer

I don't want to be rude or anything but I don't see any choice other than Mena being optimal. Isn't he the one causing the most controversy in this game in terms of perceived alignment?

LAMIST isn't a bad call, I think they've gone ever so slightly under the radar, but after doing my full game re-read I had them as I a decent TR.

If Emps flips Goon here, I'm inclined to believe HH is possible scum, or The Worst. They've both been the most vocal about receiving my roleblock. I also believe this makes Mena innocent.

If Emps flips PR here, then I'm not sure. IF we have a babysitter though. I'd suggest you be on me tonight, or at least let that WIFOM sit there so that I'm not selected as a target. Or if you think scum can read you, pick someone else or don't pick at all. Let's confuse them.

Also, Emps can't self-hammer yet. 5 votes needed to lynch. We've got 3.

Mena, who do you think I should roleblock?

Emps think it's HH or LAMIST?

Can we gather anything from this? Does anyone know if Emps is the type to try and distance?

I think declaring who you're going to rb is redundant because if it's on someone sufficiently scummy then scum can just no kill to get a Lynch the next day

like assume that emps flips scum

you declare you're gonna RB me

there's no nk

you think this town is ever not lynching me the day after?

then once I flip green they'll NK you (or they'll have narrowed down the babysitter possibilities if they think/know we're in one of those setups and want to go for a 2for1) and it's a messy fuckin 4p mylo or if we're lucky a 5p where we have a lynch to spare before lylo

yeah, I still think you're aces ducky but just also that you're quite probably scum this game

I wish I found it easier to work with you, and I wish I had any idea what scum!you felt like because maybe that would be useful

I mostly think you're scum because I really do not believe that you would be SRing me if you were town

and that doesn't mean that you're terrible if you're town and have just got it wrong because mafia is hard

it's just that if I'm BoPing you as part of my read I just believe it's much more likely that you're fabricating a scumread on me bc I am probably mislynchable at this point as much as I shouldn't be (obviously, I don't mean today, I mean tomorrow) so it's a chance for you to get rid of me without taking toooo much heat for it and I do think that's something scum!you probably does want to do

You make a good point.

I have my roleblock target in mind, I believe.

Babysitter, on me tonight please.

Or don't, you know. Scum will never know.

In post 1060, Menalque wrote:I think declaring who you're going to rb is redundant because if it's on someone sufficiently scummy then scum can just no kill to get a Lynch the next day

like assume that emps flips scum

you declare you're gonna RB me

there's no nk

you think this town is ever not lynching me the day after?

then once I flip green they'll NK you (or they'll have narrowed down the babysitter possibilities if they think/know we're in one of those setups and want to go for a 2for1) and it's a messy fuckin 4p mylo or if we're lucky a 5p where we have a lynch to spare before lylo

this is solid 3d chess in theory but it forces scum to basically no kill until they're happy to IC someone like - if we continuously aim to roleblock the scummiest person then worst case scenario this becomes a nightless game which is hugely +ev?

sorry to remain contrarian but it's simply not worth withholding your roleblock target.

uncrowned what do you think about RBing the worst if emps flips town

actually aldus has the good point

it's strictly optimal to say, for example

if emps flips scum i'm blocking mena
if emps flips town i'm blocking in {tw, aldus}

i trust myself more to obvtown lategame than i do to correctly identify scum but if you think i'm the best clear, i have no issues with that.

What is +ev ??

And okay.

If Emps flips scum, I'm blocking Mena.

If Emps flips town, I'm not saying who I'm blocking because scum will just use the other to kill.

In post 1070, Uncrowned wrote:What is +ev ??

i can't remember the acronym lmao
at a mathematical level, town is more likely to win (mena's scenario removes the scum NK from the game, and allows us to continue to lynch slots we want to, just soft-lead by you,
effectively).

not stating targets in the event emps flips town is fine

In post 1057, Uncrowned wrote:I don't want to be rude or anything but I don't see any choice other than Mena being optimal. Isn't he the one causing the most controversy in this game in terms of perceived alignment?

LAMIST isn't a bad call, I think they've gone ever so slightly under the radar, but after doing my full game re-read I had them as I a decent TR.

I think Mena is probably the smartest call if only because we need to sort out his alignment asap. I'd say him or duck.

LAMIST has been pretty neutral so far today but I still think they're town overall.

Best case scenario is that emps flips scum PR.

In post 1066, the worst wrote:sorry to remain contrarian but it's simply not worth withholding your roleblock target.

At the very least he should probably crumb it