Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[72offsuit]

if they hit the mason tonight then I have to choose tomorrow and I'd rather not be making that choice with you still in the game because it's gonna be a fucking nightmare trying to decide if you're scum who's made it to the end or town brought along to be the mislynch

You dont choose jack shit.

[Menalque]

err yeah I do

[Menalque]

you really really don't wanna 1v1 me 72

[72offsuit]

like if you do flip town and it's (1scum, 1vt, 1mason) in (WW, Elmo, atar) then if scum have a 50/50 chance of hitting the mason

if they decide to kill me instead of mason hunting then the mason outs and has a 50/50 chance of voting right tomorrow

Lol........ If they decide to kill u. What a joke post

[Menalque]

like just to be clear that won't end well for you

[72offsuit]

I don't really read 72 as town, I don't wanna out the mason if that's still possible

Another joke post.
Youve just stated intemt to hammer me. And u r talking about "not really tpwn readimg me"

[72offsuit]

At this stage i think elmo is very unlikely to be scum here. I find it very hard to believe for my wagon and intent to hammerer to all 4 being town.

[72offsuit]

Yeah, no need to rush.

UNVOTE: for now. FoS on 72.

I should have a little time to give a full read of everyone after my morning meetings. Hard to see past 72 at the moment, due to the clidd kill (who had all but cleared him), which also appeared designed to point the finger of suspicion at doobie (the only a noob would not kill the mason argument).

LOL. A key part of your case is that i killed clidd who had me as a hard town read?

[72offsuit]

If i was scum i would bring him along. How does this make me scum?

[WizenedWalrus]

So yesterday I was pretty close to switching to vote 72. The reason I did not feel comfortable with that was mainly because BP put someone higher in his town reads than iconeum, he never answered the posts I addressed to him, and he never cast a vote for anyone.

I think the 72 killing clidd theory works for two reasons: made the kill seem more likely to have been perpetrated by a n00b, and guaranteed that clidd would not change his mind about him again.

Elmo has seemed suspicious to me through the game. There is zero cred for putting the final vote on the baddie, since it was pretty clear that they were going to go, clidd had already said he was going to hammer. Elmo jumping in to hammer looked strongly like a baddie resigning themselves to the fact that their teammate was gone, and wanting to get some credit for it.

Atarashi led the charge against the lotus slot on day 1, and has seemed very townie to me, especially 37 doesn't seem like something one baddie teammate types to another at the beginning of a game.

The possibility of Menalque being bad is something that bothers me, as I don't know that I'd be able to read him one way or the other. He's seemed very pro-town, but also seems just crazy enough to be able to pull off a gambit like fake-claiming mason to find the real PTs. My biggest reason for trusting him is basically trusting in Icon's read. Also, if I'm not mistaken, at the time he came into the game I believe lotus was under a lot of pressure. Would he, with the partner already under pressure, do something as high-risk as fake-claiming mason? I mean, I get the feeling he likes to take risks, but I also get the impression that he likes to win. So I'm not sure a crazy gambit with a partner already under pressure is something he would do. I could be wrong of course, but in my mind it seems more likely that the final baddie is in 72/elmo.

Also, looking at lotus' & jorgengand's posts, I see that lotus raised suspicions about elmo (214), never mentioned 72, and seemed to be convinced by menalque. Jorgengand's list was uneven 734 -- I think he's be more likely to hide his baddie partner in the longer list. Doobie, elmo, and menalque were all in the shorter list, while 72 was in the longer one.

On balance, the case for 72 seems the strongest to me.

[WizenedWalrus]

Actually, I forgot there was that 3rd person in the 1st scum slot: eqsylootz. Re-reading their ISO, toward the end, they also pointed the finger at elmo 507. IMO, this also weakens the case against elmo. They also did a deep dive on atarashi right away 406 and doobie 407. Never mentioned 72 or menalque.

[Menalque]

walrus, vote 72

[WizenedWalrus]

walrus, vote 72

I want to give him the chance to make a strong argument for you to be the baddie first.

As much as the other baddies mentioned elmo, I think it's got to be between the two of you now.

[Menalque]

As much as the other baddies mentioned elmo, I think it's got to be between the two of you now.

interestin

why?

[72offsuit]

So yesterday I was pretty close to switching to vote 72. The reason I did not feel comfortable with that was mainly because BP put someone higher in his town reads than iconeum, he never answered the posts I addressed to him, and he never cast a vote for anyone.

I think the 72 killing clidd theory works for two reasons: made the kill seem more likely to have been perpetrated by a n00b, and guaranteed that clidd would not change his mind about him again.

Elmo has seemed suspicious to me through the game. There is zero cred for putting the final vote on the baddie, since it was pretty clear that they were going to go, clidd had already said he was going to hammer. Elmo jumping in to hammer looked strongly like a baddie resigning themselves to the fact that their teammate was gone, and wanting to get some credit for it.

Atarashi led the charge against the lotus slot on day 1, and has seemed very townie to me, especially 37 doesn't seem like something one baddie teammate types to another at the beginning of a game.

The possibility of Menalque being bad is something that bothers me, as I don't know that I'd be able to read him one way or the other. He's seemed very pro-town, but also seems just crazy enough to be able to pull off a gambit like fake-claiming mason to find the real PTs. My biggest reason for trusting him is basically trusting in Icon's read. Also, if I'm not mistaken, at the time he came into the game I believe lotus was under a lot of pressure. Would he, with the partner already under pressure, do something as high-risk as fake-claiming mason? I mean, I get the feeling he likes to take risks, but I also get the impression that he likes to win. So I'm not sure a crazy gambit with a partner already under pressure is something he would do. I could be wrong of course, but in my mind it seems more likely that the final baddie is in 72/elmo.

Also, looking at lotus' & jorgengand's posts, I see that lotus raised suspicions about elmo (214), never mentioned 72, and seemed to be convinced by menalque. Jorgengand's list was uneven 734 -- I think he's be more likely to hide his baddie partner in the longer list. Doobie, elmo, and menalque were all in the shorter list, while 72 was in the longer one.

On balance, the case for 72 seems the strongest to me.

"Clidd had already said he was going to hammer" - Walrus is just reiterating what I have said earlier the previous day about elmo's vote being the last on the wagon - agrees with my read there, but did not say so at the time when I first posted that, and is only stating this now.

- Walrus still ignoring my analysis of why he is scum
- His analysis is almost entirely based on WIFOM - night kill, who lootz/lotus/jorm were "FoSing" and almost nothing based on actual posts.

[72offsuit]

walrus, vote 72

I want to give him the chance to make a strong argument for you to be the baddie first.

As much as the other baddies mentioned elmo, I think it's got to be between the two of you now.

Lol, this feels like it could be Walrus buttering up Elmo in preparation for 3 way LYLO tomorrow.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Wait why is 72 still alive?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I wanna get to endgame already

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I really don't like walrus. At all. I see just a bunch of fluffyness and just trying to cast some shadows around here.

[WizenedWalrus]

walrus, vote 72

I want to give him the chance to make a strong argument for you to be the baddie first.

As much as the other baddies mentioned elmo, I think it's got to be between the two of you now.

Lol, this feels like it could be Walrus buttering up Elmo in preparation for 3 way LYLO tomorrow.

Wow, so you can't even make a case for anyone else? If you were really town, I'd think you'd at least try.

[WizenedWalrus]

I wanna get to endgame already

I'd rather end the game than enter the endgame. It kind of sounds like you don't think a 72 hang will end the game.

If not 72, then who is the last baddie?

[WizenedWalrus]

Meh, after re-reading everything, I'm fine with VOTE: 72offsuit.

He keeps on bringing up the same weak & tired points that I already responded to (like here:493), but never responds to responses.

If it doesn't turn out to be him, then tomorrow will be a real headache. On the surface, it would seem that it's got to be elmo, but a couple of baddies did kind of point the finger at her which doesn't make much sense. Atarashi seems unlikely, the way they returned to focus on lotus after the mason face-off, but you never know in mafia. Or is menalque really 300000 IQ'ing us all as icon wondered in 787 (clidd was killed after reminding everyone of the BoP and saying mena was acting suspicious 728).

Oh well, menalque has been pushing 72 for a long time now, hopefully it ends here and the burden of proficiency is fulfilled.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I wanna get to endgame already

I'd rather end the game than enter the endgame.

Literally synonymous.

[72offsuit]

walrus, vote 72

I want to give him the chance to make a strong argument for you to be the baddie first.

As much as the other baddies mentioned elmo, I think it's got to be between the two of you now.

Lol, this feels like it could be Walrus buttering up Elmo in preparation for 3 way LYLO tomorrow.

Wow, so you can't even make a case for anyone else? If you were really town, I'd think you'd at least try.

I posted an extensive ISO on elmo yesterday.
Either you aren't reading the thread, or you are deliberately ignoring all posts that are inconvenient to your tunneling of me.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Meh, after re-reading everything, I'm fine with VOTE: 72offsuit.

He keeps on bringing up the same weak & tired points that I already responded to (like here:493), but never responds to responses.

If it doesn't turn out to be him, then tomorrow will be a real headache. On the surface, it would seem that it's got to be elmo, but a couple of baddies did kind of point the finger at her which doesn't make much sense. Atarashi seems unlikely, the way they returned to focus on lotus after the mason face-off, but you never know in mafia. Or is menalque really 300000 IQ'ing us all as icon wondered in 787 (clidd was killed after reminding everyone of the BoP and saying mena was acting suspicious 728).

Oh well, menalque has been pushing 72 for a long time now, hopefully it ends here and the burden of proficiency is fulfilled.

Your points aren't much better though. This is my issue with your posts as well. There isnt much scum hunting and one can feign reads and direct town one way or another.
Personally I don't agree with 72 as they are actively hunting and pointing out flaws. The fact that it took you this long to call out Menal after I've said something long ago just makes me question motives here. So right now we have a "town player" leading the town with much non discussion asking for votes. Someone explain this to me? Why are we following menal? Cause he's a town read? I'm just not following the logic here. And he could be playing us all as fool and we're handing him the game if we are wrong here.

Him calling out 72 and saying do you want to 1v1 me just has me itching my head.

Hell even you right now are just seeping. We could just throw caution to the wind and you sheep your way to a win. Right now my best read is Atar which is worry some as I've not cared for most of what they've said.