Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 3:39 am
I get your point. Let's mass claim tho
Thinking this through:In post 957, Persivul wrote:Hold it - scum tracker is a thing too, so no, the George association isn't a hard scum point. But George is scum nonetheless.In post 951, UnaBombaH wrote:Food for thought: assume popopopo is scum fakeclaiming - how did they know georgebailey didn't go anywhere N1?
I don't know, like I said I forgot about the 2 miller requiring to confirm one thing. Considering that it makes sense that you believe persivul over popo as town.In post 1049, Tanner wrote:@knightmare please stop ignoring this thank you.In post 1042, Tanner wrote:Comment on this?In post 1029, Tanner wrote:My issue there is that Knight can apparently see me as Town being fooled by scum!you, but can't see me as Town genuinely believing Town!you, when from Town!me's PoV, there's no visible difference between the two.
MillerIn post 1050, Knightmare491 wrote:I get your point. Let's mass claim tho
Not necessarily. I think it's still possible scum had an investigative that checked George Night 1 (such as a Vanilla Cop). It's also possible They took a blind guess. I don't know howIn post 1052, Persivul wrote:Thinking this through:In post 957, Persivul wrote:Hold it - scum tracker is a thing too, so no, the George association isn't a hard scum point. But George is scum nonetheless.In post 951, UnaBombaH wrote:Food for thought: assume popopopo is scum fakeclaiming - how did they know georgebailey didn't go anywhere N1?
1. If popo flips scum tracker, we can't make conclusions from that on George's alignment
2.If popo flips scum but not tracker, than George is almost certainly scum, as popo could have just claimed a result on a dead person for N1.
Is that correct?
holy hell. It's not about actually rolecopping you or not. It's about whether Persi is scum or not. Obviously scum!him'd know you weren't lying.In post 1054, mavsfan41 wrote:@Tanner: If Persivul is scum, he knows I’m town and therefore I’m not fake claiming miller. So I could see why he would confirm miller without actually role copping me.
This being said, I will point out there are indeed three things that don’t fit a scum!Persivul narrative:
1) why he would come out of the blue and confirm I’m miller rather than letting me be potentially mislynched day 2
2) Persivul fake claiming Role Cop means that there is two millers with no way of confirming either
3) why would Persivul make the Eve kill being a claimed role cop attracting suspicion. That’s tracker bait at its finest.
I do think a Persivul flip will benefit town more than a Popopopo flip. The progression of reads on Popopo as point out by Knightmare is very interesting along with Popopopo’s 896. I don’t see scum!Popopopopo coming up with that to frame Persivul. That’s a townie post with townie motivation.
lolIn post 1056, Tanner wrote:Maybe I'm just tunneled on my George=VI read.
Yeah actually for George to be town, SCUM need to have an investigative, but it doesn't need to be popo specifically. Bummer. A two-fer would have been nice.In post 1056, Tanner wrote:Not necessarily. I think it's still possible scum had an investigative that checked George Night 1 (such as a Vanilla Cop). It's also possible They took a blind guess. I don't know howIn post 1052, Persivul wrote:Thinking this through:In post 957, Persivul wrote:Hold it - scum tracker is a thing too, so no, the George association isn't a hard scum point. But George is scum nonetheless.In post 951, UnaBombaH wrote:Food for thought: assume popopopo is scum fakeclaiming - how did they know georgebailey didn't go anywhere N1?
1. If popo flips scum tracker, we can't make conclusions from that on George's alignment
2.If popo flips scum but not tracker, than George is almost certainly scum, as popo could have just claimed a result on a dead person for N1.
Is that correct?probableany of these are though. Maybe I'm just tunneled on my George=VI read.
I usually don't take games personally, but yeah, if mavs mislynches me after I used my shot to save him, post-game is going to be ugly.In post 1057, Tanner wrote:holy hell. It's not about actually rolecopping you or not. It's about whether Persi is scum or not. Obviously scum!him'd know you weren't lying.
Do you see my point regarding (1) and (2)? How unlikely it is? That both setup is literally designed to give scum two free mislynches AND that scum!persi decided to stop your mislynch for ??? reasons? Why are you voting Town over obvious (from your PoV) fakeclaiming scum?
I'm okay with thisIn post 1063, Tanner wrote:Prana - Ruby - Knight - George - Una - Tanner
Why would I be the likely target if I'm telling the truth?In post 1058, GeorgeBailey wrote:But my point is that both probably have the highest chance of getting shot in either scenario.
This doesn't really seem like a bus, so popo flipping scum would pretty much confirm you town, and Mavs too.In post 1067, Persivul wrote:Why would I be the likely target if I'm telling the truth?
mavs, how are you so confident that popo cannot me a scum Tracker but cannot realize this?In post 1057, Tanner wrote:Do you see my point regarding (1) and (2)? How unlikely it is? That both setup is literally designed to give scum two free mislynches AND that scum!persi decided to stop your mislynch for ??? reasons? Why are you voting Town over obvious (from your PoV) fakeclaiming scum?
No.In post 1035, Persivul wrote:Can you give us some more on that last slot?
He knows Persi is scum, therefore he had no reason to say it could be T/T, and is trying to buy town points when Persi flips scum. It has failed.In post 1036, Tanner wrote:What do you think about my point against Knightmare? That Knightmare can apparently see me/Persi as either T/S or S/T but not T/T?
This is a fair point, and something to consider once Persivul has flipped scum and we take a look at the night kill.In post 1040, mavsfan41 wrote:As for the Tanner case if Persivul flips scum, 976 is quintessential scum buddy bargaining an alternative lynch to protect his buddy. As I’ve explained, this makes no sense coming from neutral town to lynch a potential tracker vs a 1x PR. And since Tanner has been pushing a Knightmare lynch all game, I would easily vote Tanner over Knightmare on a Persivul scum flip.
There also read like there was a chance the wagon would flip to popo due to the push from Persi and Tanner.In post 1041, GeorgeBailey wrote:But Knightmare quickly unvoted when it got to L-1. If it was a bus he'd probably just silently stay on the wagon.
You somehow flip green now, we insta-lynch popo tomorrow. This bit is not even up for debate.In post 1043, Persivul wrote:You lynch me today and I flip green.In post 1038, Knightmare491 wrote:@Tanner, we know that one of Persivul and popo is scum, why do you want to lynch a tracker over an essentially VT?
HOPEFULLY when you see my 1X you'll all realize that popo's claim is mechanically impossible and lynch him.
It isn't... BY ITSELFIn post 1048, Tanner wrote:I do think it confirms Persivul but Persivul is 1-shot ANYWAY so he wouldn't be able to get more results NO MATTER IF HE GETS SHOT OR NOTIn post 1046, GeorgeBailey wrote:You could pretty much say the same in reverse. You dont think this confirms Persivul if Popo is scum?In post 1042, Tanner wrote:even if Persivul is scum and we lynched him today, popo is gonna get shot tonight. There's most likely no protectives since our IC died.
Also, why do you trust a 1-shot claim over a PR claim?
Because popo is scummy as fuck and his claim is scummy as fuck? You know scum can fakeclaim? Why in the ever loving hell should I believe him? Becuasse he claimed ungated Tracker? Use your brain. Please the only thing I'm begging this Town please start using your brains. How is popo claiming an Ungated Tracker in any way shape or form more clearing or credible over Persi claiming 1-shot?
There's no scum tracker. I appreciate your desperation to survive though.In post 1052, Persivul wrote:Thinking this through:In post 957, Persivul wrote:Hold it - scum tracker is a thing too, so no, the George association isn't a hard scum point. But George is scum nonetheless.In post 951, UnaBombaH wrote:Food for thought: assume popopopo is scum fakeclaiming - how did they know georgebailey didn't go anywhere N1?
1. If popo flips scum tracker, we can't make conclusions from that on George's alignment
2.If popo flips scum but not tracker, than George is almost certainly scum, as popo could have just claimed a result on a dead person for N1.
Is that correct?
Possibilities if popo is scum tracker:In post 1062, mavsfan41 wrote:@Persivul: again, to even entertain this idea of scum tracker Popopopo is to acknowledge they are telling the truth about George during N1 BUT LYING about you N2. Popopo has alleged you visited Eve. You claim you didn’t do anything. I don’t even know how you could believe half a tracker story but not the other. If you’re saying Popopopo is lying about your night action’s last night, you should reject the tracker theory in full as a ploy to save themselves at the 11th hour. You’re in on both which makes literally no sense
To suggest Persi is fakeclaiming, is to suggest mavs decided to counterclaim a Miller and then have his buddy claim Rolecop in order to save his ass tomorrow.In post 1070, PranaDevil wrote:To suggest popo is fakeclaiming, is to suggest they planned to fakeclaim tracker ahead of time, and breadcrumbed all day.