Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[Bell]

Nah, a hammer is when you voted to the threshold for an elimination.

I looked back and you didn't, there were only 2 votes on Bella I think.

[PlusJOYED]

I'm not going to argue the point because it's a little strange how he went from I will death tunnel you, to 1v1 me bro, to vote bellaphant in about 10 minutes.

I posted my criteria first thing and have followed it myself, which should be AI I would think.

[Bell]

It really isn't. But I won't belabor the point.

[PlusJOYED]

Nah, a hammer is when you voted to the threshold for an elimination.

I looked back and you didn't, there were only 2 votes on Bella I think.

phew, you had me scared for a second there
VOTE: bellaphant

I'd also like to add that I do not care much at all how scummy I look, and have little regard for my own life, as long as the scumhunt is bountiful. This is how I am choosing to play my role.

[Bell]

Didn't you say earlier that you saw how Nash was being read as scum so you said you'd put up a criteria so you could show how consistent you were?
How does that mesh with your addition?

[PlusJOYED]

Didn't you say earlier that you saw how Nash was being read as scum so you said you'd put up a criteria so you could show how consistent you were?
How does that mesh with your addition?

yes, based on my criteria Nash would be scummy, and I would be too agressive to be scum. But I have played quite differently than Nash I think

[Bell]

Imagine you're mafia.
How do you hunt for scum when you know who the scum are?
By making a list of things you'd find scummy and then applying it to the playerlist. This way you can fake a perspective of scum hunting.

This is one way to fake a town perspective when you don't have one.

That's a good point; I haven't looked at the wiki much except for the roles.

From what I saw near the latest point, Nash seemed to be under suspicion. So my criteria I posted was mainly me attempting to begin building a bit of trust and consistency, though I completely get how that seems scummy.

Another point I wanna bring up is that, assuming that the ToS newbies exited from boredom and not personal issues, the role I'd assume for most replacements is VT, arguably the most boring role, which is why my first impression of replaced players will be VT.

Note: As a replacement myself, this is not a claim, this is just moreso my first impression unless behavior indicates otherwise.

What I'm asking is, if you don't care whether you look scummy as town or not, why do you want to build trust and consistency something you think appears townie?

[PlusJOYED]

Imagine you're mafia.
How do you hunt for scum when you know who the scum are?
By making a list of things you'd find scummy and then applying it to the playerlist. This way you can fake a perspective of scum hunting.

This is one way to fake a town perspective when you don't have one.

That's a good point; I haven't looked at the wiki much except for the roles.

From what I saw near the latest point, Nash seemed to be under suspicion. So my criteria I posted was mainly me attempting to begin building a bit of trust and consistency, though I completely get how that seems scummy.

Another point I wanna bring up is that, assuming that the ToS newbies exited from boredom and not personal issues, the role I'd assume for most replacements is VT, arguably the most boring role, which is why my first impression of replaced players will be VT.

Note: As a replacement myself, this is not a claim, this is just moreso my first impression unless behavior indicates otherwise.

What I'm asking is, if you don't care whether you look scummy as town or not, why do you want to build trust and consistency something you think appears townie?

The criteria was moreso for consistency in my accusations where I was in a state where I was missing a lot of information and was for my first impressions, which changed as I looked through the thread. I guess since I was new and a replacement, I wanted to throw something out there since I knew it would take me a couple days to catch up and didn't want to be totally silent for that time, and before I had decided how I want to play my role, which I now have. Sorry for the contradiction.

[Bell]

Don't be, contradictions aren't scummy really.

[Bell]

though im likely going to vote bella regardless of what she claims

If she claims a power role, don’t vote her.

[shellyc]

Well, a lot of posts have been made. wait can you unvote after hammering - i thought you could not.

[shellyc]

Wait oops it isn't a hammer. I just read half of the posts.

[shellyc]

leaning towards shelly being scum but very weak read

Hmmm why do you regard me as scummy? Gut feeling?

I am ok with you scumreading me. In my chat mafia days I would always get scumread as town.

[shellyc]

@Everyone else do you think Bella is scum?

I regard them as a scumread here. I don't think their ISO looks great, they are being defensive, and haven't roleclaimed. Consider this a pseudo-vote on Bella, because I don't want to accidentally hammer this.

[beeboy]

Day 2, VC 4

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Bellaphant (3) -

notscience, Andresvmb, PlusJOYED

Andresvmb (1) -

The Bulge

PlusJOYED (1) -

Bell

Not Voting (2) -

Bellaphant, shellyc

Deadline: (expired on 2020-08-29 01:10:00)

[PlusJOYED]

leaning towards shelly being scum but very weak read

Hmmm why do you regard me as scummy? Gut feeling?

I am ok with you scumreading me. In my chat mafia days I would always get scumread as town.

Upon reading again, you actually seem mostly townie, and couldn't remember why I suspected you. Only part I disagree with is lurking as a scumtell; but that is more likely just be a difference in opinon and not indicative of being scum. So now I'm more neutral slightly leaning towards you being town. My scumreads are moreso NS and bella, with my only heavy scum lean being NS, since leading wagons and obvtowning is more of a scumtell to me. Lurkers usually get called out and everyone is aware, so lurkers might be the ones that have no need to prove themselves as town since they know they are town.

[shellyc]

Upon reading again, you actually seem mostly townie, and couldn't remember why I suspected you. Only part I disagree with is lurking as a scumtell; but that is more likely just be a difference in opinon and not indicative of being scum. So now I'm more neutral slightly leaning towards you being town. My scumreads are moreso NS and bella, with my only heavy scum lean being NS, since leading wagons and obvtowning is more of a scumtell to me. Lurkers usually get called out and everyone is aware, so lurkers might be the ones that have no need to prove themselves as town since they know they are town.

IMO Lurkers are more often than not apathetic town. I said lurkers were anti-town, as we cannot read lurkers if they aren't producing any content.

NS is a townread to me - they have towntold more often than not, and seem quite confident in how they will be proven as town. That is a towntell to me.

But I respect your opinion that leading wagons and doing LAMIST might be scummy.

[PlusJOYED]

Also, IV screamed VT to me before he flipped; he nearly hammered himself which I don't think any sane scum or PR would do, so I semi suspect everyone who wagoned him. Bella, like shelly said, was more defensive which is a scumtell in my eyes. But if she claims pr I'll cancel my vote unless we get a counterclaim.

[Bellaphant]

Bell, I think a lot of information from your slot is just that - I can't see you tilting hard for a solve.

Andres is almost too scummy to be scum, and I'm struggling to see what his next move is here as scum when I flip town. Yesterday, we had the interaction where he scum read me for something that iv had come after me for, was a non issue and just...doubles down on it, which I wouldn't expect from new!scum. Bulge asked about the wagon on him - the wagons just all fell apart close to deadline yesterday, and it was clear that the people online (me, iv, NS, kinda Andres) wanted an elim.

The day or so before, Andres hops off me, bulge into Andres, I ask got consolidation and Andres acts like he doesn't understand why, ns jokes about elim ing IV for town credit ,Walter pops up and is useless, iv offers to self hammer to get an elim, (and after this I think most votes come from desperation),ns defends Andres, bell votes Nash??(why?) And IV follows, Walter follows, Nash votes Andres, ms defends Nash, Nash votes iv (omgus??),, Bell votes Andres, I vote iv, call the bash wagon bad, bell pushes Andres, bell hammers (although this may have been an accident?)

There's actually a much bigger push on Andres towards the very end of the day, which I didn't really notice at the time , and that Nash wagon popped up out of nowhere. I'd say if Andres is scum, bell and NS look really bad in comparison, around that wagon. Andres spending a lot of time today encouraging a hammer on me when I was in vla and also wasn't on E-1 is super gross, and just happened to me fron scum in another game. Maybe I'm over thinking this and too scummy to be scum is just scum.

The thing stopping me scum reading bell is that turn around on our for...no reason.

Bulge is town, although I can't see why he's had town reading notty: I've just played a game with notty where I played like this, this is very much my nornal town meta.

Shelly is a big null.
I think joy is town, if only for having their own takes on the game.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, that was very much as I was thinking it. VOTE: andres

[Bell]

I'm kind of shocked you don't think I'm trying to solve.

[Bell]

Is this a reading comprehension issue?
I've pressured and questioned every player.
Every IIOA has an insinuation or explanation/analysis attached in the next post.

[Bell]

Are you sure that Bulge isn't the scum off your wagon? /:

[Bell]

You forgot to claim Bellephant.

[Bell]

Do not hammer Bellephant.
That was a pretty townie post.