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[Casey]

Hold up a sec.

[Casey]

Yo Frog:

I'm reading both of these posts as fence sitting, pushing for a townie [lim] while distancing from each other, and they put the name first of the townie they're hoping gets [limmed] because they are listing in order of operations.

I'd appreciate it if you would actually pay attention today instead of phoning it in with confirmation bias. Here are

all

my reads today:

I don't know any more.

Italiano / Fred?

Also Casey what is your current opinion of the scum team?

Gun to my head Lavar Italiano. Or Lavar Fred. Italiano Fred has the greatest interactions and I am super sleepy and don't recall but I think I marked them as likely to be genuine.

Gun to my head I'd say Fred/Lavar because I've been able to connect on a better level with Italiano.

Currently feeling Fred/Italiano. It may be Lavar's lack of action that has me focused there. I'm giving Lavar a pass for being a newbie

It's genuinely impressive that Lavar is my biggest townread, and he's

emulating his mafgame.

Also just before you did your explosive gender reveal, 993 is pretty much where my opinion of Italiano dramatically dropped.

[Casey]

(Specifically the "light townread" part of #993, because that was a full-blown lie.)

[Casey]

Anyway what I was

starting

to say is that @Fred, you never responded to #993. But coming fresh before the wake of Frog's reveal in #996, I can see how that rendered my points moot to you.

[Casey]

There's one last thing I want to review, but it's going to take a bit, so I'm heading back to sleep.

[Frogsterking]

The longer the day goes the less confident I become in Lavar.

[Frogsterking]

I've noticed three times now that he's mirrored Italiano in his posting style and it's disturbing me. I'm not sure what to make of that except maybe they've been chatting it up in the PT and they're taking on each other's communication style.

[Frogsterking]

Casey hopefully these links will work better:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... unting#VCA

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _VCA_Guide

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=VCA


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=70951

[Frogsterking]

Someone verify please: am I crazy or am I crazy? Am I just imagining these??? I believe there are others that I missed too.

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Well that wasn’t surprising, I figured it’d be me or Redados to get killed. Rocknil is a little surprising.

I’ve done my reading though. I’ve actually read 759 many times over and it’s still confusing to follow.

@Frederick: So are you saying you initially scumread Frogster for his obsession over what people thought of the nightkill and then 640 solidified your scumread or vice versa?

Actually, while that was what I was saying, I misremembered. I actually scumread Frogsterking for not seeming to attempt to solve the game, then 640 made me more suspicious. The rest of what I recounted was more recent and so I doubt I misremembered anything else.

I find it strange not to remember why you scumread somebody. Like it wasn’t a real scumread to begin with.

Some might even find it a little suspicious that you are townreading me so much . . .

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Actually, looking at the player list, it seems that I have a minor townread on everyone except for shellyc and rocknil.

Aside from Shelly and Frogster: everyone explain why I’m town.

Drawing out information through the early game (even using fluffier posts to do so), plenty of informative "hot takes" like 89 and 304 that aren't afraid to ruffle a few feathers, and snapping me out of the dumb Italiano argument helps as well (I daresay scum would've probably been happy if I just kept my focus on him all day long). Overall you're utterly oozing with drive and determination to figure players out, not just eliminate them, and you've now kept to your promise to explain things as well.

I would still like a response to 431 though, though I will amend that I've re-ISO'd Italiano and found his 149 rather weird, like he was trying to placate the town with a more valid reason to justify the Shelly scumread when we started to squeeze down on him about his fallacious logic. Am I reading too much into this, or is this worth the callout?

Weak. If you’re gonna call me out, then call me out. And yes that read was facetious, since you and Mush were saying how bad my reasons for reading Shelly were. You, however, responded and said it was better and now you wanna come back and push it again?

LavarManos - Absolutely 100% disappointing and gross posts.

You are not going to be able to hang me with no elaboration on those reasons. If you truly believe I am scum and aren't just throwing shade, please explain to the rest of us

why

I had disappointing and gross posts. Also, I think my posts being disappointing is to be somewhat expected, and I don't think "disappointing" is scummy in general.

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I'm the town tracker, both of my reports are dead. I suggest not voting if you're town because with three to eliminate it gives the mafia the chance to quick hammer.

If this is true then Frogster is the only one I believe I can trust. Everyone else gets the heisman.

Italiano visited Redados N2

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Welcome to the game Casey. You can definitely talk.

Who is the mafia?

Mafia: an organized international body of criminals, operating originally in Sicily and now especially in Italy and the US and having a complex and ruthless behavioral code.

I just did

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I have more experience with NKA, is anyone here amateur, pro or otherwise experienced in VCA?

Pretty experienced. My vca is trash. I’ve been wrong both times (shellyc, rocknil), so if we go by vca, I don’t look too good. I’ll try to see what’s happening elsewhere, but I wouldn’t have the moral authority to make a case.

I'll try to partner hunt, but considering my reasons for townreading Italiano were fallacious, I might not be the most reliable.
Between Fred and Casey huh

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It's creeping me out and making me want to vote Lavar.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Lavar

[LavarManos]

IM TOWN UNVOTE RIGHT NOW

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Lavar

We should execute ItalianoVD first. That way, we have more time to consider who the second member is.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Anyway what I was

starting

to say is that @Fred, you never responded to #993. But coming fresh before the wake of Frog's reveal in #996, I can see how that rendered my points moot to you.

Ok. Let's have a look then.

Spoiler: post 993

Italiano can you explain your blatant defense of Fred in #864?

Fred can you explain why your posts to Italiano in #863 look like they're trying to push Italiano off your back?

Lavar can you do something please? We have 3 days left and we really need you to focus.

Maybe you have to explain why you think so as I was not trying to do so when I made those posts. Instead, I just answered ItalianoVD's questions.

Yes but why is that

all

you did? No follow-ups, no addressing, no questioning his actions.

Because I did not see any necessity in doing so.

Not even now?

Fred & Italiano how do you reconcile the quote above being from maf?? Coached by his partner to active lurk and say self-incriminating things??

He was potentially not coached when he posted that.

That was the worst non-answer I've heard all game.

Awake again!

Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?

Are you?

No. Is there some reason I should be?

Just pointing out how you are pushing Frederick to do something you are not doing yourself.

I am literally not doing that.

You asked him if he’s going to do something useful. I asked you if you going to do something useful. I wasn’t saying are you going to stop questioning the power role.

I just looked back at my ISO and yeah I have zero clue what you're talking about.

I wasn’t talking overall, I was only talking about today.

Are you still under the opinion that I'm being "useless"?

Italiano can you explain your blatant defense of Fred in #864?

Fred can you explain why your posts to Italiano in #863 look like they're trying to push Italiano off your back?

Lavar can you do something please? We have 3 days left and we really need you to focus.

Yeah, I thought he was town and I didn’t see why he was being universally scumread, so I was really trying to understand what others were seeing because I didn’t see it. If I townread someone I will try to protect them as best I can.

You said he was a "light townread."

Fred & Italiano how do you reconcile the quote above being from maf?? Coached by his partner to active lurk and say self-incriminating things??

By quote above I mean #976.

What are you asking? If Lavar was coached to say what he said? That doesn’t make sense.

Explain how that quote comes from a maf.

"Not even now?" (Please check the spoiler for context.)

Well, I don't. I believe the reason is extremely self-evident at this point so, I would only elaborate upon request.

"That was the worst non-answer I've heard all game."

I don't even understand why that is a non-answer, let alone the worst you have heard all game.

Alright, your turn to answer the following questions.

So, Casey, what do you think of LavarManos?

Also, with these new results, who do you think is the scum team now?

[Frogsterking]

Fred + Italiano is cleared in my book.

[Frogsterking]

To clarify, Fred is clear in my book, for asking for an unvote and not visiting N1. I don't believe he's the scum partner at all.

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Lavar

[Fredrick A Campbell]

You do know what you just did was extremely risky, right?

[Frogsterking]

You do know what you just did was extremely risky, right?

Yes.

[ItalianoVD]

Should have bobbed instead of weaved @Frog.

I had fun and learned a lot. Come on why so scared?

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[Casey]

Look who's trying to shut up conversation.

[Casey]

I'm down with Italiano and Lavar as the solve.

[Casey]

We have 27 hours left to discuss BTW.

Also @Fred: #1070 is my answer to you. Before today you were like 80% town and now you're 99%.

[Casey]

There's one last thing I want to review, but it's going to take a bit, so I'm heading back to sleep.

For reference I don't have to do this any more. It involved reviewing how Fred behaved last game.

[LavarManos]

VOTE: Italiano
I believe Casey to be the last scum, but voting Italiano is the right move given the time of day left. In addition, Italiano flipping goon should semi-clear Fred.
Vote for fast night thanks.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 3.01

ItalianoVD (2):

ItalianoVD, LavarManos

LavarManos (0):

Frogsterking

Not Voting (2):

LavarManos

,

ItalianoVD

, Casey, Fredrick A Campbell,

Frogsterking

, Frogsterking

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2020-09-12 19:00:00), at which point we will default to no elimination.

With five players alive, it takes

three

to reach majority.