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In post 1044, Prism wrote:Bork, mostly I'm bothered that you're ignoring my most charitable posts and kind of just sniping where you can. I've summarized your viewpoint accurately. As far as I can tell, you have made no attempt to frame mine for clarity. This is important. It doesn't mean admitting I'm town.

I'm looking at things like 280 and 858 and the most I'm getting out of that those was (mostly 280) "you did something else I didn't like but it might've been inadvertent" and that does not an olive branch make. What exactly are you expecting me to say to that?

What were you trying to clear up in 858? that you realized the second vote of me was a revote?

In post 1049, Prism wrote:Respectfully Peta this feels like you know I'm town and want no part of it.

i don't that you're town but i know the case against you isn't very good

Realizing bork scum probably intend for this to be a 1v1 opens this up more.

I would probably deathtunnel skitter were it not for the fact that both being scum would be extremely brazen.

In post 1043, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 1039, Cabd wrote:But but but my shiny prism townread. You're gonna fucking we'll make me read the bork and prism back and forth in earnest now aren't you.

like why would you not read it if only as an attempt to read me, something you've been decidedly undecided on (or cagy?) on this game

It's dense and I'm out of spoons until tomorrow.

858 was me realizing I had placed the earlier vote, but it didn't change the timeline much because, well, it was never about the first vote to begin with.

You refusing to summarize why I scumread you or acknowledge why I might not have liked 239 is mystifying to me. The olive branch I've extended is by going far, far out of my way to see your perspective even though it involves dismissing all of my own beliefs (Revisionist accusation, straw man)

You also keep ignoring that 242, which explains I didn't like any of your posts back to ffery, is immediately my response to you asking about my vote and act like it took pulling teeth.

I don't regret giving you the longer leash here, even if it might wind up undeserved. I will probably better sort you when you get a days rest and review.

Ie. 858 didn't have a point. It was just me rereading, then saying "Oh hey, now I see why bork said I revoted-I was always talking about the 233 vote to be clear"

Nothing about it was an invitation to wrestle in mud.

In post 965, skitter30 wrote:

In post 962, Mod Pizza wrote:My strategy as scum is basically the reverse — try to simulate a gamestate read that maps onto her’s and hits the same key points

good to know!

VOTE: prism

Skitter I love you for this LOL

Perhaps this is the biggest obstacle here.

In post 982, Prism wrote:

In post 980, borkjerfkin wrote:(Like, I'm trying not to be mean here, but you're basically saying at this point that the only way I can be town here is if I'm just being mentally inept in some way and I'm sorry but I take issue with that.)

I am challenging you to look at 239 from my perspective, by starting with the fact your framing was meant to undermine/discredit my point. If you cannot even admit it was to undermine my point-which unlike a strawman, is not inherently a bad thing-then talking about my reaction is completely worthless. It's a nonstarter.

Given the text of 239, it completely eludes me why you won't acknowledge you were trying to undermine my "Strong, active players" point as a baseline.

This doesn't require admitting a straw man or that you framed my statement incorrectly. We undermine each other's arguments all the time with the best intentions.

I'm at E-2 DGB, now's your golden chance.

I should probably be deathtunneling skitter regardless. Thinking in terms of 1/1 is a mistake. Individually her push has been terrible and intentionally taking advantage of the fact that no one will get into the weeds. It makes little sense to shove this without really doing so herself. Her claims to have done so leave me very, very skeptical.

In post 999, Prism wrote:I suspect there's one last missing link to explain but that's enough thread overload for now, at least until we get on the same page about what's already posted.

And I'm sorry to everyone for the garbage I'm making you sift through.

It's a good case, but who is it against?

In post 1023, Syryana wrote:we can start wading through all this crap and stomp some people.

That's the stomping spirit we need!

In 999, I'm referring to trying to communicate effectively with bork. There is no scum or town case. Later pages give me less confidence it is unintentional. Picking a 1v1 is dumb but stumbling into one against someone who is borderline trolling by not being more selective is when decent play is met with good fortune.

In post 1027, Syryana wrote:all this back and forth with bork my eyes have just glazed over and stopped reading it.

It's like ready the php user manual, and I can't find the relevant chapters. As in, the chapters about finding scum.

In post 1062, Prism wrote:In 999, I'm referring to trying to communicate effectively with bork. There is no scum or town case. Later pages give me less confidence it is unintentional. Picking a 1v1 is dumb but stumbling into one against someone who is borderline trolling by not being more selective is when decent play is met with good fortune.

So who is scum then?

Really annoyed that you bothered asking that when I am the first to admit it's a wall of incomprehensible garbage to third parties, literally in the post you quoted.

Very likely Skitter, with a medium chance of beefycheese meatballs.

Beyond that? No clue. Bork was my scumread and who I was pushing well before his response wall, and I wavered when I realized he had no incentive to pick that 1v1

In post 1066, Prism wrote:Very likely Skitter, with a medium chance of beefycheese meatballs.

Beyond that? No clue. Bork was my scumread and who I was pushing well before his response wall, and I wavered when I realized he had no incentive to pick that 1v1

Is there a case against skitter30?

In post 1066, Prism wrote:Very likely Skitter, with a medium chance of beefycheese meatballs.

Beyond that? No clue. Bork was my scumread and who I was pushing well before his response wall, and I wavered when I realized he had no incentive to pick that 1v1

hey you should actually read me, figure out i'm fucking town, and then we can talk

Peta's a decent candidate. Others like Pooky/benhalkum are a bit more coinflippy to me. Syr felt okay in the first 20 pages, I:d have to fetch the post I liked on my laptop. Pizza/you/Vax are townleans and I would be shocked if Elements were scum. Ffery and candy are puzzles. Anyone I'm forgetting?

In post 1063, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 1027, Syryana wrote:all this back and forth with bork my eyes have just glazed over and stopped reading it.

It's like ready the php user manual, and I can't find the relevant chapters. As in, the chapters about finding scum.

Sometimes I wonder if I just wouldn't rather be reading the php manual.

Nope, and I'm not on my laptop so I'm not going to make one.

I have very low confidence that you, or anyone sane really, would try and tackle it seriously in any case, because it would require sorting through my and Bork's garbage.

Read my ISO and figure out what I hate for yourself if you want. I'm not amused by asking questions whose sole purpose is to mock me via points I readily admit already. At least be enlightening or insightful.

In post 1068, petapan wrote:

In post 1066, Prism wrote:Very likely Skitter, with a medium chance of beefycheese meatballs.

Beyond that? No clue. Bork was my scumread and who I was pushing well before his response wall, and I wavered when I realized he had no incentive to pick that 1v1

hey you should actually read me, figure out i'm fucking town, and then we can talk

Maybe it's your turn to princess carry me.

I might skim your ISO if you really want, but I don't really need my knight anyway. I definitely saw no towntells in my skim of the game.

I spent 3 minutes reading you, very in-depth.

You aren't getting a townread, you have your positives but a decent read on DGB and a clever angle on Ben does not make a town Peta.