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In post 1041, six pomegranate seeds wrote:Think of it this way skitter, creative didn’t necessarily have to claim tracker just then no one gave intent. Who stood to gain the most from creative fake claiming? Whemestar did creative even blamed wheme for making him Rr (feels very partnery) because he was saying this is scum over and over for seemingly weak reasons off of a super weak PR read. IMO kaz has less to gain from the Rr because he admitted he would be willing to vote either sam or creative. Also kaz left his vote parked on creative leaving him at two votes and making him a viable vote for a lot of d2 might be more risky to a partner than wheme putting creative at e-1 for 24 hours then creative claiming before anyone declared intent. Also if wheme was so certain that creative was PR or scum why would he not ask for a RR before telling people to hammer creative just to make sure he wasn’t right about PR read? Doesn’t make sense.

The way wheme has played all of d3 has been very passive and reactionary on d2 he asked people what we thought of creative and quoted two posts from grif and creative and said he didn’t like them and defended samcro. D1 he pushed onto pooky and asked you if you Sussed him skitter. Today he has very little content most of it is just saying “can’t believe you sus me” he doesn’t respond to any of my arguments just says oh maybe ur scum. He keeps saying he Sussed creative all game but by his own explanation he thought creatives was a PR d1 and tried to help him live n2 so he’s not even being internally consistent he first expresses sus on creative early d2 after kaz had voted creative already on d2. This reactionary play style focused upon guilt tripping me rather than him arguing or providing quotes like he did on d2 is very scummy to me.

I will vote wheme in final 3 for sure, and if I die I ask you to vote wheme too skitter. But I’ll await your ongoing thoughts.

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:1 ) The early suss and pocket - 51 -> 71. Kaz says early he will not try to scum hunt (he says he’s not that good at it) but then gets an early scumping and can’t hold back. I like that he says it isn’t a heavy scum read - he sounds uncertain just like he expressed in 51 that he isn’t that confident in his reads. I think 72 from creative name where he actually tells Kaz “That's quite ok, because it means you're acting kinda solvey” doesn’t read as a pair, it reads as creative trying to pocket and pacify an uncertain town Kaz. Kaz unvotes creative in 115 but think this can be consistent with Kaz feeling uncertain. Him calling Wheme a doofus for refusing to elaborate on his Creative PR read reads town to me.

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:2 ) Fake helpful - In post 78 Creative gives advice to Kazyan “If you find it easier to scum read people definitely go for that, I know some people are better at townreading and some are better at scumreading, also I'll probably make a reads list at some point so look out for that.” It reads similarly to 138 where Creative gives advice to town griff “That's perfectly ok, you're here now, one piece of advice i'd give is to have a notes page or document you can jot your thoughts and reads on so you don't lose track of them and have an easy time referring back to them.” Creative gives advice to the towns as a way of pocketing - each post reads similarly. SAMCRO instantly calls this out in 140. Since Creative is fake helpful to Kaz - Kaz is town.

In post 1043, six pomegranate seeds wrote:

In post 983, WhemeStar wrote:Who asked for short night btw

I did not ask for short night. I didn't know it existed. I replied yes when I was asked if I agreed to it. Why did you want to know this wheme?

In post 1056, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 1043, six pomegranate seeds wrote:

In post 983, WhemeStar wrote:Who asked for short night btw

I did not ask for short night. I didn't know it existed. I replied yes when I was asked if I agreed to it. Why did you want to know this wheme?

I thought it could point to who scum is for some reason. I thought skitter asked for it but guess not so idk

In post 1054, skitter30 wrote:

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:2 ) Fake helpful - In post 78 Creative gives advice to Kazyan “If you find it easier to scum read people definitely go for that, I know some people are better at townreading and some are better at scumreading, also I'll probably make a reads list at some point so look out for that.” It reads similarly to 138 where Creative gives advice to town griff “That's perfectly ok, you're here now, one piece of advice i'd give is to have a notes page or document you can jot your thoughts and reads on so you don't lose track of them and have an easy time referring back to them.” Creative gives advice to the towns as a way of pocketing - each post reads similarly. SAMCRO instantly calls this out in 140. Since Creative is fake helpful to Kaz - Kaz is town.

i agree that 78 and 138 are similar but i'm not sure why he can't write 78 to a partner

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:3 ) The one active - one inactive theory agreement in 111 / 115 / 116 - Creative proposes a one active one inactive theory and Kaz actually agrees to the arbitrary theory - on initial read of the game I thought postulating about this seemed fine and townie and I think Kaz agreeing with Creative and using that as an excuse to invote does not seem like a scum pair move. Level one scum imo want to be seen in superficial disagreement with one another - 118 from wheme he disagrees with Creative’s idea.

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:4 ) The borrowing of arguments - 121 Pooky is pushing back on Creative’s reasoning that it is scummy to start a wagon (ironic since Creative just said starting a wagon is good so that there is no - no elim on d1 in prior post 59. At this point Kaz swoops in and provides more reasoning for why Pooky is scummy i.e. Pooky has no content 123. At this point Creative basically sheeps what Kaz’s read was, he never uses the words contentless to describe pooky until he echoes kaz here 125 “what I quoted, was like kazyan said content-less posting and warning me of a danger no one else seemed to see.” In game pooky has 3 votes wheme has 2 if Kaz is scum with Creative both of them have been widely TR to this point with the exception of Kaz and Wheme light sussing creative - neither of them appear to be d1 vote candidates so I see no reason for them to align like this and for creative to openly sheep Kaz’s reasoning here.

In post 1058, six pomegranate seeds wrote:

In post 1056, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 1043, six pomegranate seeds wrote:

In post 983, WhemeStar wrote:Who asked for short night btw

I did not ask for short night. I didn't know it existed. I replied yes when I was asked if I agreed to it. Why did you want to know this wheme?

I thought it could point to who scum is for some reason. I thought skitter asked for it but guess not so idk

So I want to know what your conclusion is from the answers you got then.

In post 1057, six pomegranate seeds wrote:I also really don't understand why Wheme PR read creative and where that line "Creative you'd be my night kill" came from. That pings so scummy to me knowing that Creative ends up being mafia. Not being able to explain your suspicion is just soooooo bad from wheme.

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:5 ) The organic Creative suss 208 - Kaz identifying discordance from Creative’s early aggression on SAMCRO to his mason post later on feels like a real read. Contrast with Wheme’s SR from PR reading Creative from 94 if you’re not PR your scum. Kaz is identifying something that actually looks real in Creative’s posting. Kaz also said that Pooky v Creative arguing about RVS meme wagon did not feel town on town I love that he is afraid of confirmation bias in his post here. This is exactly what I was afraid of reading myself into the skitter sus when I first entered the game.

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:6 ) The wagon follow through - as pointed out by Skitter Kaz asks how to analyze the wagon 209 then follows through 224. Also Kaz was not on the pooky badwagon debacle of d1. And Kazyan is actually convinced in 226 and 227 to vote SAMCRO by Creative in part. Why would a mafia partner convince their mafia partner to change votes in broad daylight in the day chat?

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:7 ) The commit to Creative vote - 326 Kaz takes my town case on SAMCRO and votes into creative tying it 2-2. It’s not the votes that make it townie because mafia know that creative could claim tracer, but perhaps the tone of remaining internally consistent voting between creative and Samcro instead of following me and voting skitter is the townie part. I also know note that Wheme in 334 went from scumming my slot earlier d2 to now TRing me while creative goes from TRing my slot with grif to now SRing it - it’s funny how they are on the opposite side of literally everything in the game do they agree once? lol.

In post 981, six pomegranate seeds wrote:8 ) The prelim thought followed by the walk back - 382 / 384 - stuff like this is very townie. Kaz remains internally consistent thinking there’s a man in SAM vs. Creative fight. They express anxiety that mafia is trying to deflect out of the vote. This makes total sense with their later “north star” post that they want to vote them out in any order to get the game into a winnable state - which makes sense from a town perspective. Creative says someone is trying to deflect out of the pool of SAMCRO creative but then realizes that everyone was voting into that pool before me and says he feels silly. This could be him TMIing that I’m town I guess but I still read it as town that he thinks something is true without verifying it and posts, then realizes it isn’t true and backtracks. Feels like a town playing off of instinct and speaking their mind not rechecking logs.

In post 1063, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 1057, six pomegranate seeds wrote:I also really don't understand why Wheme PR read creative and where that line "Creative you'd be my night kill" came from. That pings so scummy to me knowing that Creative ends up being mafia. Not being able to explain your suspicion is just soooooo bad from wheme.

Why do you think mafia interacts with their partner like that

In post 1069, six pomegranate seeds wrote:At post #50 there are two votes on wheme (kaz/pooky) / two votes on pooky (SAMCRO / whemestar)

#55 creative jumps in with his vote that puts 3 votes on pooky (SAMCRO / whemestar / Creative) saying this is a gut read. I wonder if this is just scum making sure that pooky will be the default vote over their partner if no one comes to a conclusion at EOD since they have more votes. Losing your partner on d1 would be impossible to recover from on d1. This could explain creative’s impulse to jump in here with a shit push on pooky.

Can you look at this part of the game skitter? It looks to me like Creative's vote is intended to protect wheme because creative has to force such shitty logic while at the same time light scumming wheme when he could in fact vote wheme instead.