I read through most people's ISOS to help me sort them, and this is what I came up with:
humaneatingmonkey
Kerset
nomnomnom
Dwlee99
Bambi Jay
MaxTheFox
T3
Salsabil Faria
boxxy
Almost50
Seanzie
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:46 pm
by Seanzie
In post 1049, boxxy wrote:Quick post before bed after catching up, just to answer a few questions thrown my way.
As T3 mentioned I am fairly new, I played a few games years ago, and just got back into it with a game a week or so again.
I chose seanzie for my target because I was fairly confident cyrus had be bussed, so I picked a more or less random choice from that wagon. Nom/HEM's push felt organic, the rest of the wagon didn't have much content except seanzie who had parked his vote there early and never returned. I didn't have the
@Seanzie what do you want me to explain, that whole post is explanation. I can outline it again tomorrow in more detail if you don't follow or if you have any specific questions please share.
Specifically how you thought I was bussing. Like, was your theory that Cyrus was a planned bus since post 1? Usually bussers jump on nearish the end of a wagon and push loud and hard to get as much towncred as possible. I was first on the wagon and was afk when Cyrus got hammered.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:28 pm
by Kerset
I don't see why neither nom or hem got killed. They controlled two insta wagons on d1. Scum either wanted them to push box today or one of them is scum and pocketed the other.
It's WIFOM-y, but I don't cyrus puts attention on his scumteam on his way out the door here. Knowing what these posts will look like after he flips, I see him doing a basic play of trying to put attention on some random town players. I'm willing to think these players are town for the time being.
The way he went from
scumleaning
on me (refused continuously to give the reason) to
hard townreading
me before the slip and
ssbm_Kyouko
was killed at night who had strong sus about me and him.... it's a plan to set me up.
In post 748, boxxy wrote:I also think that with cyrus drawing the attention he was, scum would bus to build a bit of towncred. That's why I targetted seanzie last night.
But he was 1st to vote
cyrus62
! How scum!him would know that between 24 hours
cyrus62
will be caught?? Plus the interection between him and
cyrus62
seems real to me. I still don't get why do you checked him.
I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.
To joining the wagon once it had momentum but the content had not changed.
In post 325, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.
VOTE: boxxy
Finally he hammers cyrus once it was a foregone conclusion. It just feels a bit too much like trying not to be objectionable and make friends with powertown.
In post 757, Bambi Jay wrote:Still reading obviously but since I'm past the claim and the explanation, checking sus people like Seanzie night 1 is the worst play? Like... Roaming Detective would hold off checking sus people the first few nights period since you can never check them again.
Town would've just not checked anyone to save up. Early checks on early scumreads are a detriment to that role.
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In post 774, boxxy wrote:I thought about nom, but I'm not convinced he bussed cyrus that early day 1. I'm waiting to see what he says today.
Meanwhile, boxxy described nom and I as powertown.
In post 748, boxxy wrote:Reading Dwlee99 in iso, I don't like it. He seems a little too agreeable in how he joins up with powertown monkey/nom.
So if he's really reading the game this way, why would he think about targeting nom and what is he waiting from nom today? the answer is it's all lies.
True.
In post 781, Bambi Jay wrote:Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.
In post 774, boxxy wrote:The joys of playing a PR. Everyone has an opinion on what you should have done, but nobody is willing to share them until after the fact.
1- You're assuming I/we
knew
cyrus' flip beforehand.
2- It's not a good idea to announce who you're checking beforehand.
In post 774, boxxy wrote:I thought about nom, but I'm not convinced he bussed cyrus that early day 1. I'm waiting to see what he says today.
But you did check Seanzie who basically did the same thing, except he was first to actually vote there (aside from Salsabil's RVS)
Why the hesitation monkey? Trying to see if there's a way to get your scumpartner out of this? I actually wouldn't be surprised if monkey/nom are trying to fake powertown.
Leaving me alive last night makes sense, if they felt they discredited me pretty strongly during the day they can use me as the mis-elim.
So you're telling scum!them were bussing their another partner on day 1 (a.k.a in 24 hours)???
Why should I? You're the one publicly pushing a narrative, so YOU ask him.
In post 748, boxxy wrote:Reading Dwlee99 in iso, I don't like it. He seems a little too agreeable in how he joins up with powertown monkey/nom.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:38 pm
by Salsabil Faria
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In post 812, Bambi Jay wrote:Weirder stuff has happened on this site. Plus a kill on me would garuntee his guilty. It's not complicated.
humaneatingmonkey wrote:Bambi Jay, who I have zero reasons to trust and have zero rapport with, who targeted the guy who had pushed cyrus earliest in the game when there was a lot of alternatives.
vs
Nom, the guy who had pushed cyrus earliest in the game.
I've considered it and I don't buy it. Give me a reason to buy it.
And should I trust a guy still pushing another PR? Not on day 2 at all.
In post 817, Kerset wrote:well you can just hardclaim this guilty, if you want to be taken seriously
Well if I do that I die tonight. If I don't do that I don't get taken seriously at all and can still find the other scum. And when I die you'll know I was right anyway.
Win-Win for me to just soft guilty without extra context.
I don't understand what you're trying to as
self-claimed
tpr.
In post 823, Bambi Jay wrote:My death helps town. Me living helps town. You trusting me or not helps town via your reads on me.
I don't need a doc at all cuz either way I help town.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:53 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
In post 1052, Kerset wrote:I don't see why neither nom or hem got killed. They controlled two insta wagons on d1. Scum either wanted them to push box today or one of them is scum and pocketed the other.
We were both townreading Salsabil, and Kuyoku scumreads Salsabil.
It was either a setup for Salsabil elim, or it's Salsabil.
I'm thinking we elim Salsabil now to see alignment, then elim boxxy Day 3 if Salsabil is town, then elim A50 Day 4 if boxxy is scum.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:49 pm
by Kerset
In post 1056, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 767, Kerset wrote:
In post 764, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Has boxxy's result really affected your reads on Seanzie here? Exactly.
no but the NKA did
How
Kuyoku suspected sean and died randomly
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:52 pm
by Kerset
VOTE: Seanzie
Its better then d1 24h 'associations'
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:55 pm
by Kerset
No one in scum team would expect that the first push in game is the one which will deliver elimination. It is reading game backwards.
There are multiple levels to this, so why do you prefer this narrative specifically? Kuyoku also suspected Salsabil and died seemingly randomly.
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:03 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
In post 1062, Kerset wrote:No one in scum team would expect that the first push in game is the one which will deliver elimination. It is reading game backwards.
What does this mean
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:13 pm
by Salsabil Faria
Page 34
In post 825, boxxy wrote:Either way I think the play is nom today and if he flips town then bambi tomorrow.
The only alternative is if nom claims miller, I'll have to think if I'd believe such a claim.
Why not
Bambi Jay
first? I don't understand what she claimed in the 1st place.
To save your team? Scum!you weren't there on day 1, the original scum team played wrong, cost you one team member + one wrong nk I suppose. For the win, scum!you need to eliminate strong player first.
In post 840, Kerset wrote:If bambi doesn't want to openclaim then there is a reason behind it. Digging it, only favors scum as they learn more about the thing they shouldn't.
But you're talking about blind trust here.... how do you know scum!her isn't screwing with us?
In post 781, Bambi Jay wrote:Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.
Like why a tpr will act like this when the person she got guilty on is townreaded by many players.
In post 781, Bambi Jay wrote:Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.
I think ik what bambi is but Iwon't say it.VOTE: nomnomnom
Ok fine.... but how do you know it's true?
Another thing, what are your reads?
:
Almost50, boxxy, Seanzie, Kerset, Rathe/Bambi Jay
Scummy
:
humaneatingmonkey
SCUM
:
nomnomnom
I'd advise you/anyone to to do a triple-ISO of cyrus/nom/HEM and re-evaluate their reads accordingly.
Like, who votes/pushes boxxy the most? That trio. T3 backed off as soon as he realized the claimed role wasn't what he thought it was. T3's push thus wasn't agenda-y. Who pushed Seenzie (and for what)?? Who finally gave up and voted cyrus?? Scum ARE nom & HEM.
VOTE: 3 noms
WTF! I don't know what you guys are seeing but I'm clearly not. Iirc,
nomnomnom
was having
cyrus62
as his 2nd scumread while wanted to eliminate
boxxy
(his 1st scumread) but no one was willing to eliminate
boxxy
, so he went for this 2nd scumread?
Plus, why
boxxy
is cleared to you? If I ignore the fact that scum let alive a tpr but his night choice is still questionable.
In post 845, Dwlee99 wrote:What is even happening this game? I'm so lost
In post 839, Bambi Jay wrote:Almost, what Monkey does he got? He's avoiding the question and won't play with me even though he's a "troll" player.
I am letting him play it all out until he hangs himself with his own tail.
FTR, ISO me vs him. See my reaction to his entrance. I may have lightened up a little since, but it doesn't mean I have him as a "clear".
BTW, my Full read list looks like this:
Definitely TOWN
:
Almost50, boxxy, Seanzie, Kerset, Rathe/Bambi Jay
Possibly Town
(have some reservations/paranoia):
Dwlee99, Salsabil Faria
Null:
T3, MaxTheFox
Scummy
:
humaneatingmonkey
SCUM
:
nomnomnom
I'd advise you/anyone to to do a triple-ISO of cyrus/nom/HEM and re-evaluate their reads accordingly.
Like, who votes/pushes boxxy the most? That trio.
T3 backed off as soon as he realized the claimed role wasn't what he thought it was. T3's push thus wasn't agenda-y.
Who pushed Seenzie (and for what)??
Who
finally gave up
and voted cyrus?? Scum ARE nom & HEM.
VOTE: 3 noms
It seems like your whole worldview is premised on the idea that Boxxy is town. Why do you think that? I think that is a very dubious assumption.
You think Cyrus pushed Boxxy with any sort of seriousness? Can you please provide evidence for this?
Actually, it was me pushing HEM, not HEM pushing me. And after going back and forth with HEM, I felt good about hem. While there were some issues with how his original case was presented, he was able to further explain and his case on Boxxy had depth, and pointed out some things that IMO very likely point to Scum!Boxxy.
Please tell me about HEM and Cyrus's interactions. I'd like to see how you are coming to the conclusion that they are likely teamed.
Finally gave up? What exactly were they giving up? If you think the team is Cyrus/Nom/HEM, then that is 3 out of the 7 votes on Cyrus, so Cyrus wouldn't have been in immediate danger, so I don't see how you could be concluding that the team just gave up on saving Cyrus.
>I< have a guilty on this. Bambi was just playing -as she always does- but she overdid it. Like, if she had a guilty ("Can Kill") she couldn't possibly have thought she could actually catch the "other scum" because that other scum must have already killed (since we did catch the 3rd on D1). I dunno how any of you would take that seriously with that kind of slip.
Letting it play makes me think nom may still be "bad town" here, because HEM's 856 says both Bambi & Boxxy are TOWN.
In post 647, Almost50 wrote:If I was a designer I'd compliment the "Roaming Detective" with a "Novice Psychiatrist" and then toss in a 1-shot Vig to mess with them both.
Bambi just wanted me to stay alive, and didn't realize I was only allowed ONE guilty since the other Scum already killed. I let it play because it was interesting and it helps to see who goes with and who objects and for what reasons. I was working under the assumption both nom & HEM were scum together, but the reactions I got are enough for me to think otherwise. nom is Town
Well, this game is totally messed up to me rn. Answer the questions without trolling please:
1. What your role does?
2. You checked
humaneatingmonkey
and got guilty?
3. What result you got?
4.
boxxy
is cleared because of your role?
UNVOTE: boxxy
In post 882, Bambi Jay wrote:I mean my fake guilty was literally just to get scum to kill me to prove it's Nom. I wasn't even gonna push him out. I dug myself too deep and I wasn't going to just admit "yeah I wanted reactions". Almost knows I'm a compulsive liar/claimer so I guess he used me this time without my knowledge cuz I thought he would call me out like he usually does.
Clearly though nobody trusted Nom that much if a random came in and just said they were guilty. Clearly T3 and Almost had scumreads there already.
I will say him having an actual guilty was funny and almost (heh) wish I said my guilty was on Monkey instead.
"
I mean my fake guilty was literally just to get scum to kill me to prove it's Nom.
" : this doesn't necessarily mean
nomnomnom
will be confirmed scum.... what were you thinking?? Scum still can literally kill you to frame him.
Hint: it doesn't even make sense for SCUM!ME to fake any sort of guilty on anyone today. Why? Assuming I am Scum we lost a member on D1 already. Sacrificing myself for a "NOT A PR" slot is simply madness. Like, we are 9-2 as we speak. I mis-lim a townie, kill a townie and then I get Eliminated, leaving my p going into N3 against SEVEN Townies? RC isn't playing in this game (just about the only one I know who could have won it in this situation)
^This.
In post 922, Almost50 wrote:I'll wait for Max & Salsabil to chime in before I decide which way to go.
Until then..
UNVOTE:
I was so close to voting you for messing up with the game
In post 921, nomnomnom wrote:I shall remind everyone that Boxxy spent the majority of his day yesterday saying I was obvious scum for holding my tell, he claimed an invest role and he hasn't even checked me last night. And he hasn't checked Dwlee either which he opened with a vote on him today.
I refuse to believe he doesn't check me here.
This post has point + I also scumread
boxxy
but if your role actually clears
boxxy
, then I don't know what to do now. Why can't he fake-claim?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:41 am
by Dwlee99
What is this with someone's role clearing boxxy?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:05 am
by humaneatingmonkey
Almost50 claims that his Novice Psychologist role works well with boxxy's Roaming Detective, and that's why he thinks boxxy is town.
In post 930, nomnomnom wrote:I think scum must be logically be in between boxxy, sean and Salsabil.
I triple checked Kyouko's iso and there doesn't seem to be any obvious crumb so the only sensible reason that kyouko dies here is because kyouko established some kind of threat to the scum team.
Sean also immediately tried to push boxxy today so it's entirely possible that boxxy is town and sean has killed Kyouko for the double threat of not only being scumread by him, but also because they happened to think boxxy was town.
That's what I think so far, so I need to do a deep dive.
In post 171, Seanzie wrote:ssbm_Kyouko just ninja'd my thoughts re: Boxxxy scumreading Monkey, and I think that is a good look since Monkey is an easy push right now. I'd still like to hear ssbm_Kyouko's response to those reads they gave that I asked them about, but I'm giving this slot a townlean.
But scums offen try to go for easy push(es)??
Yes, Boxxxy went for the easy push and ssbm_Kyouko questioned Boxxxy about it, which looks good for ssbm_Kyouko.
I don't think
Seanzie
is scum here.
In post 938, nomnomnom wrote:So I'll say this beforehand: another reason why i think there could be scum in Sean/Salsabil is because I know for a fact that scum!cyrus actually has a tendency to hard distance with his partners and initiate a lot of discussions with them.
That was his defining trait in a game where he was eliminated day 1 for being very obviously scum. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11165856
He has talked A LOT that way to sean and salsabil so this makes me think that these two slots could be scum. Potentially both of them. This is not something to ignore, I tend to have a strong meta on Cyrus.
I have to remind town that the first reason I suspected Cyrus is because of this weird interaction with Sean
In post 143, cyrus62 wrote:Dwlee99 is more null then town to me.
predit means they went to post but then got stoped half way though
predit. sean wanted reads super badly so im throwing out there and will change them as i see fit.
The change of read from him on Sean was also very weird, you might chalk it to "scums pretend and it doesn't mean anything about sean" but Cyrus has a meta where he tends to distance hardcore early on and it fits that narrative.
So I think perhaps we should lynch in Sean and Salsabil. I'll do a deep dive of Salsabil because I have Sean's posts a bit fresher in my mind.
pedit: Possibly, but I think NKA could also be much simpler than that. It's WIFOM but my intuition tells me kyouko was not killed because of a PR threat.
If I were scum,
ssbm_Kyouko
would not be the nk. Since my playstyle is scummy un default as any alignment, I usually don't take unnecessary attention as scum. Also, I usually kill among the players who townread me, it messes with people's brains and gives me more time. I think he was to frame another town player, in this case, me or
Seanzie
(but I think it's me, considering how
cyrus62
strongly believed
I am town before the flip).
Another thing, if I were scum,
The thing to keep in mind is that Kyouko was also townread by a bunch of people, including me. Since me and monkey were basically leading day 1, that could have just been it.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:31 am
by Dwlee99
Okay so I'm gonna start working on doing some ISOs throughout the morning. Before I start though, I don't know if I agree with you on 975 that Cyrus is a good actor. I think this will impact my reread of the wagon so could you explain why?
