In post 817, Dunnstral wrote:Lukewarm, do you believe that I have softer stances when I roll mafia?
This is going to be a very unsatisfactory answer, but I don't have a conscious metric by which I read you.
But there are some games that just scream at me that you are town despite you getting semi-widely scum read, because you feel exactly the same way you did in our first game.
First game being Divide and Conquer, following games that screamed at me that you were town being Shakespeare and Web of Lies (prior to your FN reveal).
And then there are games where you don't feel that way: Those being Control (I spectated that game), Isekai, and Bloodstained. 2/3 of those games are scum game.
This game, your vibes were definitely in the second category.
I am very skeptical of this read looking at all three of the cited towngames but I'll circle back later when I'm not trying to catch up.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:16 pm
by Prism
In post 1049, Bell wrote:I was just joking. But I’ve certainly written a “poor x if they got caught because y”
I just don't think I'd feel bad for "ruining a grand masterpiece" by...catching the person I always catch, especially not when I'd be
using the same thing I used to catch them in every game
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:27 pm
by Prism
Alright I'm back to where I start being a jerk again I'm calling it there
New reads list drop
Town
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Ydrasse
Mykonian
Bell
Pretty town
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Datisi
Malakittens
fireisredsir
Townlean
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Dunnstral
Cephrir
Andante
Null
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Enchant
Scum
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Noraa
Lukewarm
Originally I had Dunnstral up in "Pretty town" but he can still be scum just dunking on nerds making bad arguments. Nobody ask me why I townread Bell because I don't know why, I just know a small hamster wearing a very special wizard hat presented me with a glowing green beacon and solid gold coin imprinted with the insignia of the bell
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:29 pm
by Prism
I have read so much shit tonight so I am DONE see you TOMORROW but both Noraa/Luke shot all the way back down in a flash kick them OUT
Newfound #1 Datisi-stan after the late 700s/early 800s I will fight Pooky to the death in the aisle of a Costco over the title
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:34 pm
by Prism
Andante you have like 112 posts left, would love to hear more from you and about why fireisredsir is scum
In post 575, Lukewarm wrote:I am not as confident in my ability to read Dunn as Nora is
I am actually at a peak low in confidence right now in general. but i just ugh i dont know. like im being tunneled and it's affecting my read on the game in general. and dunn is one of the few people i feel like i can read and theres just a lot of internal paranoia because of the game state and trying to read dunn.
i have a lot of worries about this read because i struggle with my own thought process a lot of the times. like what's going through my head, i kid you not, is like
dunn has to be scum
what if im pushing dunn because i want to live another day
what if dunn isnt scum and then i die tomorrow because i mislimmed them
no no dunn has to be scum
but dunn could maybe say that as town
what if dunn's meta completely changed
what if im being overconfident
no no dunn is scum
oh wait i could maybe see town dunn saying that
oh my god people are agreeeing with me, so im wrong right
wait but thats not a good metric
agh maybe im overconfident
no dunn is scum
Can someone with meta not from a year ago weigh in on how frequently these seemingly over the top performances are from Noraa as town? This one made me raise my eyebrow a bit.
I want to say that I have seen it come from town Noraa before. In particular, similar lines wrt when they are widely scum read. I even started looking through the games that I thought it came from to point you at it, but I am now unable to find it.
@Noraa, do you know of a town game where you made similar posts?
Okay, I ended up reading Forest Fire in its entirety because I was worried that what I thought I remembered coming from town Noraa, actually came from my 1 scum game with her. I did not see it there either, so now I am really unsure where it happened.
Also, reading my own play from a year ago was wild, felt like a whole different person.
Lukewarm wrote:So I can actually address my paranoia in regards to T3, because our most recent game ended. I hard accused T3 of being scum on page 2 of the thread, because his posts we so different from how they were normally when he is town.
Later in the day, I did a meta dive on him to compare scum games to town games, and the difference was clear. And I explained that in the thread, and he was flipped Day 1 as scum. I felt bad that I caught him so early (like page 2 seemed excessive lol), and I ended up apologizing, explaining the differences, and even explained ways he could keep me from spotting him as scum in the future. <- that was like 5 days before this game started.
So, I am leaning town on him, but I am also aware that I told him how I spot him as scum less then a week before this game started.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:21 pm
by Lukewarm
My scum read on Prism has only grown stronger. Her approach here is very similar to her apporach in her scum game, and reading Forest Fire, where she was town, only highlighted the differences more imo.
In post 817, Dunnstral wrote:Lukewarm, do you believe that I have softer stances when I roll mafia?
This is going to be a very unsatisfactory answer, but I don't have a conscious metric by which I read you.
But there are some games that just scream at me that you are town despite you getting semi-widely scum read, because you feel exactly the same way you did in our first game.
First game being Divide and Conquer, following games that screamed at me that you were town being Shakespeare and Web of Lies (prior to your FN reveal).
And then there are games where you don't feel that way: Those being Control (I spectated that game), Isekai, and Bloodstained. 2/3 of those games are scum game.
This game, your vibes were definitely in the second category.
I am very skeptical of this read looking at all three of the cited towngames but I'll circle back later when I'm not trying to catch up.
Would be a shame if I talked about my feelings about reading Dunn in a prior thread during the post game.
In post 1534, Morning Tweet wrote:Yeah but Noraa locktowned you after reading like 5 of your posts and Luke says he had u as town as well
I just wanna know the key
I don't know that I have a firm grasp of how to read Dunn, but I am trying to lol.
I feel like I am getting a little better, I think I have defending him when others were pushing for his miselim in our last like 3 games together.
I will say that the notion that absent Dunn = scum Dunn is completely trash, and no one should use that as a metric to scum read him ever
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:24 pm
by Prism
I have been particularly critical of reads on me for as long as I can remember, but I want to make it a point to note that in the event you are somehow town, that is probably the single worst read I have had given on me since making this account. Not even close.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:29 pm
by Prism
That vague line stuck out to me and I went digging.
In post 376, Todoroki wrote:When I have actually encountered scum!Dunn, I was super impressed. Like he walked out of day 1 near universally town read, and was my number 1 town read.
I think that Dunn gets scum read a lot as town, but when he is actually scum its not the case. That is basically the same reason I agreed with you that
him ghosting this game makes me lean town on him.
In post 1067, Lukewarm wrote:I actually associate low activity as + town for Dunn
Plus I felt like he was poking at JC's easy early town reads over her posting style, when he could have just let his partner sit with it
which are decisively not "vibes" or just random god-granted gut feels but very specific actions. I stopped at MT after going through multiple threads because I found a bunch of neighborhoods, references to a "main hood" etc all interwoven and wanted to finish catching up.
God help all of this town's souls if I key in on that one line and go through and find the receipts on it as scum for zero reason.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:30 pm
by Prism
very concrete actions/inactions, rather
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:32 pm
by Prism
Your scumcase on me is literally "They guffawed at my scumread on them in D&C and they're guffawing at it here" when the games are not even remotely comparable in playstyle, execution, or tone.
You got hounded by me for throwing me in there because you saw a world of meta difference, zero attempt to control the game or keep real tabs on reads/pairings. You've seen me hound players a million times and you almost certainly saw it in Forest Fire.
Actually a physically disgusting read.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:34 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 1061, Prism wrote:I have been particularly critical of reads on me for as long as I can remember, but I want to make it a point to note that in the event you are somehow town, that is probably the single worst read I have had given on me since making this account. Not even close.
I would like to make it a point to note that in the event you are somehow town, you have me listed as your strongest scum read so back at you I guess.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:36 pm
by Prism
Noraa should actually be #1, I got it flipped in 1052.
In post 817, Dunnstral wrote:Lukewarm, do you believe that I have softer stances when I roll mafia?
This is going to be a very unsatisfactory answer, but I don't have a conscious metric by which I read you.
But there are some games that just scream at me that you are town despite you getting semi-widely scum read, because you feel exactly the same way you did in our first game.
First game being Divide and Conquer, following games that screamed at me that you were town being Shakespeare and Web of Lies (prior to your FN reveal).
And then there are games where you don't feel that way: Those being Control (I spectated that game), Isekai, and Bloodstained. 2/3 of those games are scum game.
This game, your vibes were definitely in the second category.
I am very skeptical of this read looking at all three of the cited towngames but I'll circle back later when I'm not trying to catch up.
Would be a shame if I talked about my feelings about reading Dunn in a prior thread during the post game.
In post 1534, Morning Tweet wrote:Yeah but Noraa locktowned you after reading like 5 of your posts and Luke says he had u as town as well
I just wanna know the key
I don't know that I have a firm grasp of how to read Dunn, but I am trying to lol.
I feel like I am getting a little better, I think I have defending him when others were pushing for his miselim in our last like 3 games together.
I will say that the notion that absent Dunn = scum Dunn is completely trash, and no one should use that as a metric to scum read him ever
I don't think the post you quoted here is the same thing as what you are saying in this game
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:39 pm
by Dunnstral
Other than you saying you don't havea firm grasp on how to read me
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:46 pm
by Prism
I just woke up today, read a fuckton of pages, argued a whole bunch of shit, and at the very end of it decided to randomly receipt-check a one line vague read against three different games while knowing (as hypothetical informed scum) that it was already legitimate
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:47 pm
by Lukewarm
If you cannot see that these are near 1 for 1 posts of dialogue, then all communication has broken down, and I don't really know what else to say
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:57 pm
by Dunnstral
You gave reasoning here that you didn't in the town game and that is the part that Prism has a problem with
The line:
But there are some games that just scream at me that you are town despite you getting semi-widely scum read, because you feel exactly the same way you did in our first game.
Is not an opinion you have previously expressed, and in fact it looked like you were talking about activity from the full quote
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:02 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 1070, Prism wrote:I just woke up today, read a fuckton of pages, argued a whole bunch of shit, and at the very end of it decided to randomly receipt-check a one line vague read against three different games while knowing (as hypothetical informed scum) that it was already legitimate
You are also the only scum player that I am aware of that keeps a notes PT for you games separate from the scum PT, which you use to commentate your scum games, meaning you willingly force yourself to keep up with the main thread, scum PT, and a notes thread. And you appear to go slot by slot and think about each person's potential reactions to every move that you are going to make.
Suggesting that you should be being town read for effort despite being possibly the highest effort player that I have ever encountered (regardless of alignment) is frankly the worst take I have ever seen you make, and the apparent lack of self awareness between this post and you earlier saying that I should have town binned your for being away from the thread is fairly egregious.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:19 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 1072, Dunnstral wrote:You gave reasoning here that you didn't in the town game and that is the part that Prism has a problem with
The line:
But there are some games that just scream at me that you are town despite you getting semi-widely scum read, because you feel exactly the same way you did in our first game.
Is not an opinion you have previously expressed, and in fact it looked like you were talking about activity from the full quote
You seem to be approaching this conversation in a way to "gotcha" me on a technicality of the way that I expressed my self in different conversations in different contexts were not identical.
In the other conversation, I didn't say that I would go to bat to defend you because you are inactive. I explicitly say so in a later post in that conversation
In post 1559, Lukewarm wrote:I don't use this [activity levels] to read him -
But I will laugh at anyone who ever tells me that low activity dunn is scum dunn forever now.
Do you have some kind of point to make on how or why this would even me more likely to be scum, or are we just dancing around until I stumble over my words and give you something to latch on to?
