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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:24 am
by Cephrir
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:24 am
by Lukewarm
In post 878, Bell wrote:There's a difference between who I'm willing to vote versus who I want to vote right now.
I'm willing to vote anyone but me
if the argument or the circumstances are good enough.
I want to vote those people.
I am interpreting this to mean that he would vote basically anyone other then himself if we were in the right circumstance, (such as being at deadline.)
But prior to reaching that circumstance, he has a list of people he would prefer to vote currently.
To me, that makes you saying that it is too early for that moot.
Not sure what you are interpreting differently.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:26 am
by Taly
I am prepping for a presentation so cannot make good real-time convo at the moment, but we want to know what are good pages to read content wise.
And I say "we" because I'm plural.
Think of us as a hydra that shares a body.
Pedit
Frogsterking wrote:
Taly, what made you think Bell had claimed?
I did a very short ISO skim on Toog's beginning of the game and saw that the PT was known, then a logic leap that Bell was outed.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:27 am
by Frogsterking
If T-Bone has an alt I've played with before I have a guess as to who it is.
@Taly
I want to know why you thought Bell had outted.
PEdit:
Okay, fair enough
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:28 am
by T-Bone
I think you're giving him credit "reaching the right circumstances" rather than taking the conversation and what he said as is. I can see why you read it that way, but I think the credit you're giving him here is unearned. I think you're giving him credit because you feel you know him as a player rather than reacting to what he's saying and how he's playing.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:29 am
by Lukewarm
In post 876, Lukewarm wrote:
So you don't like them, but they are not on you list of vote considerations?
I took it in particular as a snarky response to this.
I asked why they were not being considered.
He said that he would consider anybody, but that doesn't make them his preference.
If you don't read it that way, I guess that fine.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:30 am
by Lukewarm
I guess I am just saying that it was said in a flow of conversation with me, and in that flow it felt natural. But :shrug:
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:32 am
by T-Bone
I guess so, you were there I wasn't, let's set that aside. I was hoping you'd chime in on my post, but I was hoping you'd look into more of what I called arbitrary use of meta. It's not a strategy I personally believe is effective, so I can't fairly critique whether he's using it effectively or not. Maybe he is, I don't know. It doesn't look like it, but it's also something I wouldn't spend time.doing myself. I don't get the same sense from you, if that helps contrast.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:36 am
by Lukewarm
I am not really sure what use you feel is arbirary?
In post 1034, T-Bone wrote:Some players get meta dives, some players get recollections from previous games, and some players Bell just takes someone else's word for it.
You mentioned meta dives, but i don't think he has done a single meta dive so far.
All I have noticed is regular comparisons to past games that he has played in, with a high frequency of those comments being directed at people he has played a lot of games with : like Pooky or Ceph.
Maybe if you grab particular examples of what you mean?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:37 am
by T-Bone
Just to provide context where I'm coming from. In my experience it's incredibly easy as scum to manipulate players who rely on meta to form their reads. It's also incredibly easy as scum to fake the work of doing meta reads. So, when I analyze a player who says they are forming reads based on meta, the question is always ask myself is "is this real effort or fake?" Which I know is incredibly a vague thing to look for. It's always a feeling for me. Sometimes I get it right and sometimes I don't.
We probably also don't use the same terminology so me saying meta dive in retrospect is unhelpful.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:39 am
by T-Bone
Maybe you're right in that I'm mistaking familiarity/comfort with some players over others as being arbitrary.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:40 am
by Enchant
Try to metaread me.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:44 am
by Lukewarm
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:45 am
by Lukewarm
In post 1059, T-Bone wrote:Just to provide context where I'm coming from. In my experience it's incredibly easy as scum to manipulate players who rely on meta to form their reads. It's also incredibly easy as scum to fake the work of doing meta reads. So, when I analyze a player who says they are forming reads based on meta, the question is always ask myself is "is this real effort or fake?" Which I know is incredibly a vague thing to look for. It's always a feeling for me. Sometimes I get it right and sometimes I don't.
We probably also don't use the same terminology so me saying meta dive in retrospect is unhelpful.
In post 1060, T-Bone wrote:Maybe you're right in that I'm mistaking familiarity/comfort with some players over others as being arbitrary.
I will try to iso Bell tonight to look for this in particular.
Also, I use meta dive to mean actively going out to read other games. CSF did one earlier for frogster
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:47 am
by Enchant
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:48 am
by Frogsterking
In post 1013, Frogsterking wrote: In post 856, Roden wrote: In post 820, Frogsterking wrote: In post 815, Roden wrote: In post 745, Frogsterking wrote:I don't think there is anything worth responding to as far as my wagon goes, Pooky thinks I'm copy pasting my posts, Johnny was a naked vote, Galron's push was wolfy, etc.
I think Pooky, Malcolm and Luke are the most likely to be genuinely wrong about my alignment.
Where do I place in your reads?
I forgot you were even voting me.
I guess now I'd categorize your vote as a meme/late RVS vote.
I know nothing about you and I'm hoping you will say something townie so I can remove you from the PoE.
What makes you think it's a meme or RVS vote?
The image in the spoiler tags, it's the first thing in your iso, and there isn't a description or explanation of what you saw or felt.
@Roden
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:49 am
by Off The Hook
In post 956, Bell wrote:I have a lot of people to make up shit on and be wrong about. This is going to be my largest work yet.
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:50 am
by Off The Hook
In post 957, Bellaphant wrote: In post 934, JohnnyFarrar wrote:PookyTheMagicalBear
Rad
Corwinoid
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch
Lukewarm
I reserve the right to add/remove
It's really early here but I can't even work out if these are town or scum reads. Can you expand on any of them?
i think this shows bellaphant isnt reading LOL
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:50 am
by Lukewarm
Because I don't think meta is a good way to read you in games.
Your town play feels fairly erattic to the point that it is hard to find clear patterns between your town play and scum play
I generally just resort for gut reading you, and just praying that you somehow get resolved before end game
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:51 am
by T-Bone
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:55 am
by Off The Hook
In post 969, Bell wrote:I'm okay ignoring the weird vibes Gamma is giving off this game because why try to sort them if Marci is town.
logic'd
am ireally that strong townie to u?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:56 am
by Off The Hook
i think it was nancy posting in the dancing puppets posts right..? i like her views it seems reasonable for her to think, so i think theyre town : D
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:57 am
by Lukewarm
In post 1070, Off The Hook wrote: In post 969, Bell wrote:I'm okay ignoring the weird vibes Gamma is giving off this game because why try to sort them if Marci is town.
logic'd
am ireally that strong townie to u?
He said that because he thinks I'm town bestie <3
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:59 am
by Off The Hook
In post 978, Cephrir wrote:i don't even remember that game but no i am not going to give all hydras bonus points for being hydras and i dont think there's anything wild about that
im still pretty conflicted on cephrir, i could see alot of his posts being made as either alignment. like my og thought on this post was that its townie but then i try and think deeper and its just
not the best but not the worst is the vibes there
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:00 am
by Off The Hook
oh but then i dont get it
its putting too much faith in u then LOL