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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:40 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 10705, Lukewarm wrote:wow, talk about paranoid.
that's just my level of respect for your scum game homie

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:44 am
by RCEnigma
In post 10723, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 10717, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10706, Lukewarm wrote:I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.

Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4

I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.
interesting choice to go for c&g over BBT in that scenario
Not really because DNA are much easier to lim than BBT but think both are town. Math tried to get BBT limmed > him. I think all Bella defenders are town because all had extremely nuanced reasons for their extremely wrongheaded defence and I think scum either bussed or stayed relatively quiet on Bella.
That wasn’t super convincing. Math made a super weak argument for bbt and then had to leave the game.

I’m pretty sure math was looking for an out so someone could “change his mind” or he could “find” someone as town.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:48 am
by Lukewarm
Luke's thoughts on Enchant via the iso's of the flipped scum players.


Spoiler: Corwin
I want to compare how Corwin engaged with Mala getting a Day 1 pass, and how he engaged with Enchant getting a Day 1 pass.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Ctrl+F "Mala" -- 26 results. Strongest scum read. So mad that Frog is pushing him, but not Mala.

Ctrl+F "Enchant" -- 1 result. Just on the read list.

Scum!Corwin mad that lurker!Mala is getting a free pass. Not mad that Enchant is getting a pass


Spoiler: Math
Did a search for Enchant in Math's iso
In post 2962, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2957, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2952, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2947, Cephrir wrote:you know, if we can't figure out who is scum (and i'm not alone in struggling to find scumreads) we can always punt today by eliminating enchant and try again tomorrow
Why do you suggest this? I hate being this far behind.
enchant is enchant, he isn't going to do anything or become readable, and since i'm struggling to find legit scumreads i'm starting to think he could be one of the missing pieces
I feel the same about Not Mafia

But just because I can’t read someone doesn’t make them a good elim

Otherwise I would elim Titus every game and I am trying to be better about it and figure out why people ping me
Just for reference of where we are in the game when Math made this post. Math was under pressure to the point that he claimed, and was posting about how was going to die as of post 9874.

And here he is shooting down an Enchant elim, not even 100 posts later

(He then never mentions Enchant again for the rest of the game)


Spoiler: Bella
This one the thoughts feel more convoluted because it revolves around other peoples positioning, but lets go.

The Point
: Bella voted C/G over enchant, when Math was the leading wagon day 2.

And that is despite Dancing Puppets and T-Bone pushing for that to be the day 2 elim
In post 8324, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 8319, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 8317, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 8314, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 8313, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 7968, Lukewarm wrote:I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.
Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus
Tell me more about this
If I am wrong on you, then we have deep wolves dividing the game and three town wagoned for no reason D1. The kill on Dunn makes little sense if you're not scum.

The push on Math is easy. While he could be scum, it's awfully convienent for scum to push the sick guy who votes them. Doubly so when it's Math.

~Titus
Idk whether he is or not. Main thing that pinged me was Enchant’s Taly vote.

VOTE: Enchant

So I’m going to do this for now.
In post 9007, T-Bone wrote:
Okay then disregard that. Do you want to do anything about Enchant? Mutual read.
In post 9011, T-Bone wrote:VOTE: Enchant
And then, following Puppets and T-Bone putting their votes there, I chimed in that I was on the edge of LEAVING MATH, and voting Enchant.
In post 9129, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 9123, T-Bone wrote:I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.
I keep going back and forth between voting there, and sticking to my math read tbh

Puppets+T-Bone+Me is an incredible start to a wagon, and with the three of us making these kinds of posts, I feel like the scum team should love the idea of saving Math by killing town!enchant here.

That post from me was 9129, and in 9178, Bella has Enchant as a scum read. But still does not vote.
In post 9178, Bellaphant wrote: My scum reads are boring -
there's at least one scum in Johnny/mala/enchant.
I think best bird is just flat scum. I'm trying not to scum read professor drapion. Math could be scum. I guess my spicier scum reads are that I wouldn't be surprised if oth was scum. Occasionally I waver on pooky:, but they are probably town.

And instead ends up on C/G with 9205.


And yes, I am aware that C/G was a bigger wagon at the time of her vote.

But having a wagon composition of : Rad, BBT, TBone on C/G compared to Puppets, Luke, TBone on Enchant feels like where they should want to go.

(I also pull a vote off of Math)



So, basically. There are calls for an enchant elimination, from several players with high thread sway. AND bella has a stated scum read on Enchant, AND math can never vote C/G based on his reads (but can vote enchant) BUT Bella chooses to join C/G instead of Enchant

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:52 am
by Lukewarm
In post 10717, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10706, Lukewarm wrote:I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.

Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4

I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.
interesting choice to go for c&g over BBT in that scenario
Yeah, I thought about that two, when Malcolm and I were talking about it over night.

Biggest hang up for me, was the looking at why Bella ended up on C/G.
In post 9187, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Can I interest you in a C&G vote, Bella?
In post 9188, Bellaphant wrote:I'll re read corwin tonight but yeah, have this as a deposit.
This is a kinda awkward interaction if they are scum/scum, and I feel like BBT would have just said for Bella to figure out a way onto the C/G wagon in the scum chat, and this interaction would have never happened.

So, I agree that it could have been because all of BBT/Math/Bella were scum, but it did not feel rock solid to me.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:53 am
by Lukewarm
In post 10728, Lukewarm wrote:Yeah, I thought about that
two
too, when Malcolm and I were talking about it over night.
Kill me.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:53 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 10726, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 10723, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 10717, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10706, Lukewarm wrote:I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.

Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4

I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.
interesting choice to go for c&g over BBT in that scenario
Not really because DNA are much easier to lim than BBT but think both are town. Math tried to get BBT limmed > him. I think all Bella defenders are town because all had extremely nuanced reasons for their extremely wrongheaded defence and I think scum either bussed or stayed relatively quiet on Bella.
That wasn’t super convincing. Math made a super weak argument for bbt and then had to leave the game.

I’m pretty sure math was looking for an out so someone could “change his mind” or he could “find” someone as town.
I also really liked his posting yesterday. I think scum doesn’t stick their neck out for Bella here in most circumstances. When a slot gets mech guiltied, they either like to be on their buddy’s wagon or try not to attract too much attention to themselves. If BBT was scum here, he put himself in a very bad position and I think he’d probably know that, which is another reason why I think he’s town.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:53 am
by Best Bird
hmmm...rule of three in that bella example

VOTE: enchant

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:53 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
VOTE: Enchant

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:55 am
by Lukewarm
In post 10714, Off The Hook wrote:
In post 10711, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 10680, Off The Hook wrote:im kinda lowkey starting to think malakittens is scum >.>
I feel like corwin spewed Mala town personally.
oh where?
Literally open up corwin's iso, and Ctrl+f search Mala.

Mala was his single strongest scum read, and he was telling people off for giving her a day 1 pass.

I am not sure that scum!Corwin, is going to try that hard to get people to reconsider scum!mala

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:59 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 1738, Corwinoid wrote:
In post 1737, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Taly is prob scum
Why? I want to know if your reasons' the same as mine.
I think Corwin spews both Taly and BBT town with this.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:00 am
by Lukewarm
Oh, just a general announcement of reads update. My read of Rad has tanked from upber town read -> null.

I am aware that lots of people still town read him, so don't really feel like touching that any time soon.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:01 am
by Best Bird
hey...same

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:01 am
by Rad
So Enchant hard-bussed Bella yesterday?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:02 am
by Lukewarm
In post 10737, Rad wrote:So Enchant hard-bussed Bella yesterday?
after there was a guilty on her? sure

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:03 am
by Rad
Right, and I didn't because...?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:04 am
by Enchant
You undrestand that i literally can do nothing, because bussing gives no creed at that point, but there's still ppl who wanted to let Bella live?

Literally what.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:04 am
by Best Bird
Image

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:05 am
by Best Bird
oooh - a double

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:05 am
by Best Bird
In post 10739, Rad wrote:Right, and I didn't because...?
i mean - you did until DP offered an out tbf

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:07 am
by Rad
In post 10743, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10739, Rad wrote:Right, and I didn't because...?
i mean - you did until DP offered an out tbf
Not true.

I got beaten down by people telling me I was stupid and when DP jumped in and also seemed to agree with my thought process, I decided maybe I wasn't stupid.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:08 am
by Lukewarm
I kinda feel like scum!Rad would explain the Bell kill, since Bell could have been seen as the obstacle for scum!rad being able to end game.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:09 am
by Lukewarm
Anyways.

That is not a discussion for toDay.

To kill Enchant!

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:09 am
by Rad
I've been waiting for someone to blame me for Bell kill :D

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:10 am
by Enchant
I disagree

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:11 am
by Lukewarm
In post 10748, Enchant wrote:I disagree
Who do you think that we should kill?
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