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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:13 am

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So hohum tried to kill farside, killed oman instead, and died in the process.
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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:14 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:So hohum tried to kill farside, killed oman instead, and died in the process.
That's what a PGO does you know. Anyone who targets a PGO gets shot. Tan got shot, hohum got shot, but yet somehow your still alive.
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:14 am

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farside22 wrote:Doctor shot because he is now targeting PGO, Mafia dead for same reason. Yet you are alive?
Nope not buying it.
I haven't a clue. Anything in the order that the actions are resolved? Some loophole somewhere?
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:17 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:Tanarin-Doctor-Lonely Bastard shot Night 2
Oman-Paranoid Gun Owner-Lonely Bastard throat slit Night 2
hohum Searphim-Role Swapping Blocker-Match.com Executive shot Night 2

Could hohum have role-swapped something?
hohum was the role swap blocker. Which means that the roles we had would have stayed that way if he used the ability.
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:18 am

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What does this mean? I found this in the action resolution order.

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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:19 am

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I see.

The first target was farside22(tracker) and the second target was Oman(PGO).

Since only the first target matters for tracking, watching and PGO purposes, that explains why I'm still alive.
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:23 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:I see.

The first target was farside22(tracker) and the second target was Oman(PGO).

Since only the first target matters for tracking, watching and PGO purposes, that explains why I'm still alive.
Ah I see it now. Sorry about that.

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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:27 am

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I feel like almost no lynching. Yay I know bad. I should probably read things but I feel like playing WIFOM with the last mafia member.

I don't know I'll think about things for a bit.
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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:08 am

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This is my 2700th post.

I've just realised from the first post that sk can use their normal action in addition to their nightkill - in that case, only korts is cleared of being SK.
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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:11 am

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Shanba wrote:This is my 2700th post.

I've just realised from the first post that sk can use their normal action in addition to their nightkill - in that case, only korts is cleared of being SK.
I'm not sure if there is a serial now. Nothing so far has come up for the serial killer as far as kills go. :?
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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:39 am

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Okay analysis night actions and such. I'm down to 3 people as possible scum.

Mafia, Korts or Shanba. Here is why:

Note: I blocked Korts, Emp jailed by OP. OP and EMP pairing is unlikely but not impossible. I doubt scum would jail there partners and no offense to anyone but I just dont' see scum planning like this for WIFOM.

Night 2 Notes:

Tracked Shanba confirmed by Shanba that he RB korts DGB swapped Oman and myself. DGB unlikely, very unlikely scum.

These notes clear DGB and OP in my view.
I really feel out of the 3 Korts is the scummiest. Here is why:

Korts wanted to stop the rotation "claims to have tried" saying he didnt' trust hohum. Note hohum was scum, but I never felt like I had a good reason why Korts thought hohum was scum.
Notes: Emp (scum) was tracker : for me tracker scum is not helpful. hohum double voter (not a good thing in scum hands). Having scum stay as a tracker who most were suscious about keeps him save if Shanba continues about not voting out Tracker role. Scum as a double voter although not as powerful is powerful end game with a quick lynch.

Shanba would be second scum suspect as he protected Emp's lynch day 1 and didnt' vote for him day 2.

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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:32 pm

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OP, Shanba, and Korts are scum. Shanba most likely from vibes. Korts because of reasons mentions previously. Same with OP
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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:47 pm

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MafiaSSK wrote:OP, Shanba, and Korts are scum. Shanba most likely from vibes. Korts because of reasons mentions previously. Same with OP
Why would scum JK there own scum partner?
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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:24 pm

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MafiaSSK wrote:OP, Shanba, and Korts are scum. Shanba most likely from vibes. Korts because of reasons mentions previously. Same with OP
Hah. Same with OP? Because of reasons mentioned perviously? What reasons and by whom? farside?

I still think you're scum. Not really sure about Shanba or Korts (who is cleared of being sk), but farside brought up good points. I have to look at things again now, and see where you fit in all this mess, because a lot has happened, which kind of changed things... Soo..no vote yet.
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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:10 pm

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More WIFOM I know but why would scum pick anytime mason when there were so many other choices they could make?
I just don't know about Mafia. That is why he is third on my list of scum
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:03 am

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farside, you can now see that my apprehension concerning hohum was justified--I think my case on him presented yesterday was enough to keep him from a powerful role.
MafiaSSK wrote:OP, Shanba, and Korts are scum. Shanba most likely from vibes. Korts because of reasons mentions previously. Same with OP
Heh.

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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:17 am

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Korts wrote:farside, you can now see that my apprehension concerning hohum was justified--I think my case on him presented yesterday was enough to keep him from a powerful role.
MafiaSSK wrote:OP, Shanba, and Korts are scum. Shanba most likely from vibes. Korts because of reasons mentions previously. Same with OP
Heh.

vote: MafiaSSK


If this vote needs to be explained at all, you need to view MafiaSSK in isolation up to this post. You haven't once mentioned reasons for voting me.
Oh really? Look at post 951 and various other posts along side it.
Korts wrote:Add to this yesterday's referencing a non-existent OP case, and I see a pattern of lazy opportunism.
Tan and I both explained it.
korts wrote:Note how SSK's most recent scumlist strangely coincides with farside's suspicions on two out of three points (and the third probably differs only because farside's third one was SSK himself).
Or maybe its because they're the most scummy overall.
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:22 am

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I'm willing to vote Korts.
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:16 am

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MafiaSSK wrote:Oh really? Look at post 951 and various other posts along side it.
Hm, I skipped that post for some reason. Fair enough in that you raise a couple points and express general suspicion. A couple points: you call me misinterpreting the time difference between farside asking and stating the time limit during drafting stage a possible scumtell--which I don't see how it could be, considering that scum wouldn't have any particular motive for that. You also call my reasoning for trying to block rotation inadequate--without any justification of your own. Then you FoS me based on the minutiae of an offer I made--ignoring the clause of "unless I have good reason" which IMO I had (this would be a point that I can concede if you could actually give a sensible argument as to why my reasoning was inadequate in the first place). Also, you come in with a baseless hypothesis that I'm somehow breadcrumbing something that would make no sense to be breadcrumbed as scum.
MafiaSSK wrote:Tan and I both explained it.
Please link to the post(s).

As to your scumlist, I disagree. Shanba is generally pro-town, OP is middle of the road, and me you've only recently jumped on. The reasonings you give are not adequate by far, especially considering how you only produced a case on OP after I'd called you out on referencing a non-existent one; also, your only point against Shanba is "vibes"--which is basically an admission that you have nothing and are just going with the flow.
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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:45 am

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This was your case Korts:
Korts wrote:
Korts wrote:Ho hum. (pun intended.)

I don't see the point in the quote you're pointing at, either, hohum. I see what you're trying to say, but to say that it's fabricated is an understatement.

Let me make this clear: you think that simply because Empking expressed an intent to lynch farside, he was going for a
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lynch? I don't see the correlation between conviction and speed, like you're implying.
Korts wrote:
hohum wrote:
Tanarin wrote:Though OP is starting to look like someone we should consider, as he seems to be the only one really pushing the whole lynch emp today thing.

I was one of the first people who started pushing the Emp wagon if not the first; however I'm on the fence about the whole "don't lynch his role" argument.

I think he's a better D1 lynch target than Neko.

I need to go back through the thread and reread the arguments for and against lynching him based on a power role and see if I can draw my own conclusion.
After this comment I really want neko lynched. If he's scum, hohum is probably one as well.
These two quotes summarize my problem with hohum quite well. I also distinctly remember a connection to OP which I can't seem to find. I would try researching that further if I wanted a hohum lynch.

But right now, I would like a MafiaSSK wagon plz.

Satisfied?
Well guess what if you believe hohum is scum with Neko why are you not voting for DGB?
Keeping scum as a tracker is a protown action? Really?

Last time I ask. How is the role you had powerful in scum hands? Unless scum have a role that is bennifical to the town then blocking the rotation makes sense. Well guess what. Emp was scum. Tracker bennifts town. Hence my vote on you is not changing.
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:46 am

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You start the next voting session with much more purpose now that three of your fellow daters have been killed. Your dates seem to be more aloof than usual, possibly due to the night's violence.

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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:57 am

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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:01 am

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I just want to say some thoughts on this game. I don't know if there is a SK. Nothing has come so far. Maybe Korts is the SK since he was RB'ed 2 nights in a row.
I'm not changing my vote however if by chance Korts is not scum I would be looking seriously at Shanba. Mafia is my second choice between Shanba and him. Look at my notes for night actions and who did what.

That's all I got to say.
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:41 am

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farside, I'm almost certain there is a serial killer. If Tanarin had died because DGB had swapped Oman and you, and therefore tanarin had targeted Oman - surely, Oman would not have died, being protected by a doctor? The only explanation that makes sense to me is that empking, who we know was blocked n1, made the mafiakill that night and the sk killed ThAdmiral - the next night, the SK kills tanarin, and the mafia try and kill farside, who is swapped with oman - hence the dead oman, dead hohum and dead tanarin.

Actually, it's just occurred to me that farside is all but cleared of being mafia - the only way she can be mafia is if scum decided that killing the PGO was actually a good idea. Similarly, DGB is incredibly unlikely mafia, though there is the very very off chance that she is pulling a gambit. I also think it's very unlikely that OP was bussing yesterday. He was far too emotional about the wagon on him for me to credit that theory - his attack on empking and ssk always felt to me like lashing out indiscriminately in anger rather then any sort of calm and collected move. In brief, I doubt he is mafia. Also, notably, he tries to restart the failing empking wagon day 1.

Which leaves Korts and SSK. Korts was a member of the early Empking wagon (I still feel, btw, that not lynching him there was the correct move. One dead scum in exchange for two power roles day 1 is a poor swap for town. But I digress.) He was fourth on the wagon, and notably, he waits until there is something new for him to attack before he jumps on. I often see, when scum bus, that they don't like to just follow the wagon, they want to lead it, to push it - picking up on a new reason for being suspicious of Empking allows him to do this However, I can see this going both ways - I can see him as town being pushed over the edge by Emmpking's craplogic, here. On balance, though, I think this is scummy - from the vibes. It doesn't feel like an honest move. Then he unvotes. I'm not sure why -he states he is getting cold feet, then says he is rereading. The fruits of this reread never materialise. (In the meantime, Seraphim has been pushing little non-sequiturs about how Empking is a poor lynch while he has his vote on Empking. Should have picked up on that, gah!) Later parts of Korts' interrogation of Empking feel more town - it feels like he is more concerned with getting to the bottom of Empking's reasoning than scapegoating him.

Notably, Korts jumps on the nekowagon, the alternative wagon that I pushed day 1. However, his vote on me and his explanation of his thought processes feel pro-town to me.

SSK replaces in when the wagon is already full blast.
MafiaSSK wrote:'Kay. Done with read.

The first part of day 1 it did seem like Empking was being his typical scummy meta and decided to attack Farside for craplogic. Farside had defended herself and this could have just been an argument between the tow of them. But, Korts defended farside as well and as thus attacked Empking. I think this could be a sgin of bussing but I'm not sure.
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Empking does seem his typical scummy self. I would supporthim as a lynch on Day 1.
I detest this post. "Empking is scummy, but maybe farside/korts are scum. Oh, but I support an Empking lynch." Later, there's a weird inconsistency on his position vis-a-vis Neko: first, he claims that he thinks he is noobtown. Then, he claims that he has a gradually growing townread of neko from his pbpa (one that again, never appears. I hate it when people do this. All that build up and no performance :() Later, he claims, in support of his claims to be scumhunting, that he thoguth he had voted neko - yet nothing in his posts gives any indication whatsoever that he is suspicious of neko. Interestingly, day 2 he votes OP, saying he was "obvious scum" - an obvious scum who SSK had never found suspicious before, and never even mentioned before!

One of the things about SSK is how much thinking of his is clearly going on in the background, somewhere where we can't see it. A lot of the time he is clearly drawing conclusions, following the game, but there's no evidence of it in thread. This happens especially day 2. I wonder whether he's posting a lot of his analysis to his scumbuddies at night, rather than participating during the day.

BTW, it's now late enough in the game that I don't have any qualms left about lynching any roles.

Looking at hohum, he immediately come in and attack Empking - in his first post, he also mentions, in a casual way, a scummy post of ssk's. Not a whole lot else that is interesting. I mentioned, yesterday, that I disliked his vote/unvote on korts. To me, this feels more like opportunism than bussing.

Bottom line is, ssk is scummier than Korts.
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:44 am

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This is the first scumread I have felt truly confident about all game, btw.
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