Big Brother Mafia - Town wins!

[Snow_Bunny]

I can't elaborate much now, and thus I'll just foward with

vote: Llama

. I can't get out of my mind his last post (well, the one I pointed out earlier.)

The other one would be Sir or Ani, but I want to read again before I make my choice.

[bv310]

VOTE: Snow_Bunny
VOTE: Animorpherv1

Snow seemed like the lesser of two evils yesterday, but today she's top of my scum list, for the same reasons as before.

Ani is second on my list of suspicion. His posts so far have been extremely short. He seems to echo the common suspicions, and really does not help much, except for the Sly vote yesterday

[animorpherv1]

I have no idea what you mean by "follow Sly's lead", if you could explain that. anyways.

vote: SnowBunny

for being generally unhelpful, and only really showing up after she was nomm'ed. I'm sure she's going to disapear again.

Next vote coming up in a minute.

[hewitt]

Regardless of how you and I may feel about SB, Hewitt has stated that he thinks Animorph is actively scummy and that SB is just scummy by virtue of being lurky. Given that Hewitt also supports town providing input for HoH and HoH at least partially listening to the input, it is inconsistent that Animorph was not nominated instead of SB. Again, this is minorly excusable since Sly is clearly the best lynch for today, so the second target is not *as* important.

-You might not personally think Hewitt would point it out, but he HAS and he HAS said the interaction between SF and Animorph is indicative of scum. It is a scumtell and happens more often when the replacing player is scum than when the replacing player is town.

I actually think I made it very clear that Snow Bunny was most likely to be nominated against SlySly. Leading up to my nominations go point out where I stated that I was more likely to nominate animorph. Answer me this

How did I not "partially" listen to the group with my nominations?
When did I ever state that I would rather animorph be evicted over Snow Bunny?
How can you make a connection of a scumteam before the accused flips scum? That's the same mistake SlySly was making.

And not only that but I did not want SlySly evicted over Snow Bunny I think I made it very clear that I wanted Snow Bunny evicted and I think players voting SlySly were either A) protecting Snow Bunny, B) attempting to slide in with the majority and go unnoticed, or C) not thinking clearly.

I don't like this at all. And it's not the usual town Llama I remember (though my memory is always blurry). Setting up lynches for coming days? And setting up the lynches with easy ones? That's as pro-town as outing mason partners on D1. This little part of your post makes me doubt of your towniness, and maybe Sly was right about you. I know my scumhunting is as good as it should be, I reckon, but I recognize a scum post when I see it.

Do you even understand the concept of this game? We will be having ONE person deciding which two players will be up for eviction tomorrow and that means that we should all know who everybody plans on nominating if they're tapped for HoH tomorrow to see if they deviate. You are purposely trying to twist that around and it's utter bullshit.

Why exactly? The guy wanted me lynched since Day 1 when I vetoed his nomination.

Hello...it's called distancing 101.

That's very interesting that SlySly flipped Chenbot. Honestly I really thought he was going to flip floater, I'm very pleasantly surprised. Okay so based off SlySly's interactions with the rest of the group I'm going to vote to nominate

Vote: Mr Finch

Vote: Snow Bunny

Mr Finch was very generally off SlySly's radar the entire game (and SlySly flung accusations all across the board) and Mr Finch was actually defending SlySly at times. That combined with the weak bussing (understatement of the year in my opinion) at the end and the mutual dodging around each other I think Finch is the most likely candidate to be one of SlySly's partners.

I'd nominate Snow Bunny to go up against Finch because A) I can't stand her, B) I think she's dodgy scum, and C) I'm still think that players were defending her in their votes for SlySly.

It's kind of crazy when you look at the players who voted to evict SlySly vs. the players who voted to evict Snow Bunny. Truly the four most level-headed, most likely to be floater players all voted Snow Bunny. And on the SlySly wagon you've got the most anti-town seeming player of the game, the player most likely to be on a scumteam with SlySly, a player who replaced a very dubious former player and is fond of slinging crap, a player who I get a concerning overly defensive vibe from, another player who replaced an even more dubious former player, and a player who I really don't even think reads this game before commenting.

It's really interesting.

[LlamaFluff]

My picks still are ani and snow. Nothing changed there due to flip.

[Kmd4390]

Paltry is obviously Sly's scumbuddy.

Why exactly? The guy wanted me lynched since Day 1 when I vetoed his nomination.

He was distancing.

It's more the way you completely turned your stance on him when he started to take heat.

The other one would be Sir or Ani, but I want to read again before I make my choice.

I'll be waiting for a decision.

[hewitt]

Paltry is obviously Sly's scumbuddy.

Why exactly? The guy wanted me lynched since Day 1 when I vetoed his nomination.

He was distancing.

It's more the way you completely turned your stance on him when he started to take heat.

Kmd I agree that could be an example of distancing, but that'd be quite a ploy for the scum to pull. Definitely not out of the question but that would've been very gutsy. Did you read what I said about Mr Finch?

[Kmd4390]

What is gutsy about it?

Yes, I read your comments about Finch and am not sure yet about how much I agree. Definitely taking it into consideration and need to look at both Finch and Sly again.

[hewitt]

Actually, as I was just writing out my explanation as to why I thought I was gutsy I realized that it really wasn't gutsy at all. If Paltry and SlySly are Chenbots together and SlySly nominated a more favorably pro-town player for eviction that would give Paltry the excuse to waste one of the town's vetoes early and look seemingly pro-town for it.

[Kmd4390]

-Sly was quick to accuse people of distancing, so I expect that he did a bit of it himself.
-Paltry came out of the gate with a "town read" on Sly and voted him for HoH BEFORE he was comfortable calling anyone scum. As soon as Sly took heat, he went after Sly himself.
-Your veto point makes sense. Sly talked a lot about scum scheming. I wouldn't doubt if the veto thing was supposed to be some kind of scheme.

Things that need to happen before we have our noms:
-Some people still need to vote
-I need to read Finch, Sly, and maybe some others.
-I need to decide who I'm nomming.

[animorpherv1]

Because of Sly's attacks, I think that at least 1 (if not both) of kmd/Platry are confirmed not chenbot. I also think LLama/Crazy are pro-town for being extremly helpful. Hewitt is townish to, for being helpfull, but not quite as much as Llama/Crazy. I'd like to put up Kast, only to see how he fairs up for nomination, so I'm going to

vote:Kast

[Kmd4390]

Animorph, that is one of the worst thought processes I have ever seen.

[hewitt]

I don't even understand how that was a thought process.

[animorpherv1]

Animorph, that is one of the worst thought processes I have ever seen.

Most of that is not thought process, just why I think certain people are protown.

[hewitt]

There wasn't even reasoning as to why you thought they were pro-town. Do you care to actually explain?

[animorpherv1]

There wasn't even reasoning as to why you thought they were pro-town. Do you care to actually explain?

Because of Sly's attacks, I think that at least 1 (if not both) of kmd/Platry are confirmed not chenbot.

When Paltry veto'd kmd, it could've meant that he was either saving a scumbouddy or he honestly though kmd was a bad choice. I don't think Sly would've bussed a partner into there.


[quote="animorpherv1] I also think Llama/Crazy are pro-town for being extremly helpful. Hewitt is townish to, for being helpfull, but not quite as much as Llama/Crazy.[/quote]
How am I supposed to explain this? They helped the town by giving suggestions, saying what they wanted to, and being a general good townie.

I'd like to put up Kast, only to see how he fairs up for nomination, so I'm going to

vote:Kast

On a personal opinion, I think we should start sending in random people each time to see how they think (and several other possible things). and Kast seems to be fairly neutral to me, as him and bv just replaced in.

[hewitt]

So you just want to put up random players for nomination? Who else would you put up and how are you deciding which players would be the fairest to nominate?

[animorpherv1]

I would also like to see:

MrFinch
bv310
Sir down (with the exception of pabs, as I think he's already explained a lot)

I'd say the less real opinion they had, the more they should go up (I have no idea why I'm thinking that, as it makes me a prime nomination candidate, by other's standards, but oh well).

Commenting on that my posts are always short, well, they are always short. I don't see the point in a wall'o text as I'd just go TL DR and pass by it.

[hewitt]

Basically you're saying nominate the under the radar players who don't really contribute, which would include yourself.

[Sironigous]

Vote Snow_Bunny
Vote bv

Aforementioned reasons...

[hewitt]

Vote Snow_Bunny
Vote bv

Aforementioned reasons...

...That's all you've got to say?

[pablito]

vote: snow_bunny

for her defenses and her blanket statements made when she was nominated yesterday.

vote: Mr Finch

for being quick on the Sly wagon, yet not once really getting in depth on his own thoughts on Sly or actually asking any questions to Sly. In fact, the interaction between Mr Finch and Sly are too kid-gloved in both directions.

#3 is Sironigous, but I'm still unsure how much of my read is frustration vs scumminess.

Sly flipping scum is making me question my own analysis of Kast's steadfastness at the end of D2. I would no longer say he was the most pro-town. Kast still not in my top 4 suspects though.

Tired and posting now. Will try to look at more tomorrow.

[Mr Finch]

In no particular order:

@pablito.

Quick on the Sly wagon? Not at all. Ani was even quicker than me and I wrote:

I don't know what my access is going to be like over the next few days so I will vote now.

I didn't know what my access was going to be like so I voted. I was happy with a Sly vote so I placed it. You haven't called Ani out for it though, but stuck with Snow_bunny.

@Hewitt: Huh? I can't argue what you've said as there's really no case to argue. Everybody else was so much on Sly's case that there was nothing new that I could add without being accused of coat-tailing or unoriginal thought.

Weak bussing? On my part? As pabs pointed out I was very quick to vote on sly, on a vote that cannot be changed. If I was bussing would I not have waited until very late (excluding my limited access) to vote or even vote the other way?

t's kind of crazy when you look at the players who voted to evict SlySly vs. the players who voted to evict Snow Bunny. Truly the four most level-headed, most likely to be floater players all voted Snow Bunny. And on the SlySly wagon you've got the most anti-town seeming player of the game, the player most likely to be on a scumteam with SlySly, a player who replaced a very dubious former player and is fond of slinging crap, a player who I get a concerning overly defensive vibe from, another player who replaced an even more dubious former player, and a player who I really don't even think reads this game before commenting.

Way, way to confuse the town! It took me three reads of this to figure out what the hell you meant and I am still not 100% certain! However, the most anti-town seeming player - Ani? And yet you nom me? WTF??

I would also like to see:

MrFinch
bv310
Sir down (with the exception of pabs, as I think he's already explained a lot)

I'd say the less real opinion they had, the more they should go up (I have no idea why I'm thinking that, as it makes me a prime nomination candidate, by other's standards, but oh well).

Commenting on that my posts are always short, well, they are always short. I don't see the point in a wall'o text as I'd just go TL DR and pass by it.

For "less real opinion" is exactly the reason I am nominating you. You don't appear to have had a reasonable thought in the game and by your own admittance you are not making an active contribution to scum hunting.

Your always short (crap-logic) posts help nobody in either scum-hunting or making YOU look pro-town.

Vote:Ani

Second:

Vote Sir

for this:

Current status: voting for whoever has the most votes.

Then he claims to be the best by "dropping the hammer".

@KMD - If you put up either of my noms for eviction then I would happily vote for them. If Snow_Bunny goes up (not against my noms) she gets the vote.[/b]

[Mr Finch]

Bugger. Try again:

Vote: Ani, Sir

[hewitt]

@Hewitt: Huh? I can't argue what you've said as there's really no case to argue. Everybody else was so much on Sly's case that there was nothing new that I could add without being accused of coat-tailing or unoriginal thought.

Weak bussing? On my part? As pabs pointed out I was very quick to vote on sly, on a vote that cannot be changed. If I was bussing would I not have waited until very late (excluding my limited access) to vote or even vote the other way?

t's kind of crazy when you look at the players who voted to evict SlySly vs. the players who voted to evict Snow Bunny. Truly the four most level-headed, most likely to be floater players all voted Snow Bunny. And on the SlySly wagon you've got the most anti-town seeming player of the game, the player most likely to be on a scumteam with SlySly, a player who replaced a very dubious former player and is fond of slinging crap, a player who I get a concerning overly defensive vibe from, another player who replaced an even more dubious former player, and a player who I really don't even think reads this game before commenting.

Way, way to confuse the town! It took me three reads of this to figure out what the hell you meant and I am still not 100% certain! However, the most anti-town seeming player - Ani? And yet you nom me? WTF??

Well that's not really my fault if you can't defend yourself. Why would you have waited late to bus? It would've made more sense for you to vote earlier that way you wouldn't get accused of just hopping on the bandwagon. And so far you seem to be the only one confused by what I said so don't say that I'm trying to confuse the town. The most anti-town SEEMING player. Just because a player seems anti-town doesn't mean that they're most likely to be scum, come on, that's just Mafia basics.