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Yeah, I thought Jabba-Town was too good to be true too. But It is town.

That's actually not related to my reasoning at all.

@All Players: Please read the exchanges between MoI and myself, then ask yourselves if his latest response is protown. He just dismisses my points and is deflecting and squirming.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Oh look, a bunch of "No, U" and "YUZ IS SKUMZ" rhetoric in reply to that case.

It's funny Split that you had no interest in me as 'suspect' in any other manner than an off-hand "I'd vote him" until I specifically call you scum.

Translation: Nah nah can't hear you.

Can you feel that, Magna? I'm voting you sooo hard right now.

↑ Nero Cain wrote:Why did you not answear my request, split?

I went back and didn't see a request, ask again?

↑ Nero Cain wrote:can everyone explain their hascow town read to me? (and without the use of Malee was town so has is town)

you do this to, BB.

My read on Cow is null, but I suspect he might be buddies with Shadow Dancer based on a few things SD said about Cow/Malee. Ditto for BBmolla/Fennin. Cow and BB have an interesting interaction where Cow votes BB based on policy because BB "jokingly" claimed scum.

I shall catch up and resume normal game functions tonight.

@Split: Here's some reading

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

Wrath wrote: 3 (RE: MoI): The reason I asked again is that I feel that the SD=SK thing is BS. Why is SD an SK and not Ooba? Why did you come in Day 2 so convinced there were two scum teams? Why did you spend a lot of Day 1 attacking people based on the idea that there were two scum teams? Why all of a sudden are you convinced one of the scums that were killed last night was an SK? Also, please explain why an SK would WIFOM the town in a bah post.

Can you provide your reasons why Shadow as SK is bullshit? Just saying that isn’t good enough Wrath – you need reasons.

I didn’t ‘come into Day 2 strongly thinking we had 2 scum teams’, I saw two non-Town colors when I skimmed the flips and voted accordingly. After others pointed out the differentiation between Shadow and Ooba’s flips I reviewed the Mod post and judged accordingly.

Umm there is no reason whatsoever to believe Scummy Scummy indicates scum or SK and Scummy indicates the other. On top of that he bah posted "Go Team" (More on that later). Why is Shadow SK and not Ooba? Was is anyone SK and not just multiball? It's BS because by painting him as an SK you are attempting to nullify associative reads which coincidentally bring you under more suspicion. You were all aboard multiball until someone mentioned SK and you all of a sudden thought that was the best misdirection to push things.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Please explain why a Serial Killer would NOT WIFOM to screw with Town.

What would be his motivation to do that? By definition an SK has no other allegiances and it would serve no purpose and provide zero benefit to deceive town. On the other hand, a dead scum would have all the motivation in the world to WIFOM in a bah-posts, so any sort of WIFOMing in a bah post most definitely comes from scum.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Please explain how your behavior being so absolutely worried about being tied to a player deemed scummy doesn’t look like scum who knows we are in Multiscum before any flips are made.

So now we're back in multiball? I was not "absolutely worried" about being tied to Peregrine, I wrote:
"I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify."

Nice Misrep.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

Wrath wrote:4 (@MoI's #1059): I didn't have time to follow up on Friday, but the reason I asked for those reads was because they were suspicious in my book. I find it weird that you have no read on the day's vote leader. You vote split for lurking but not Nexus. You say Cow is town, Cow says you're town, noted. On that note it also bothers me that you are set-up speculating based on force powers which seems fruitless and pointless confusion. I do agree with you on Shotgun though. I've secretly put a sign on his back that says, "Blaster Me".

Why do you find it weird that I have no strong lead on the vote-leader who in my experience doesn’t have a meta of low activity only as scum? Nexus has contributed jack shit in most games I’ve seen him in, be he Town or scum. And I’ll be frank – part of the reason I’ve not been motivated to go after Nexus is Slandaar is pushing him so hard and I don’t think much of Slandaar’s scum-hunting.

You just provided a read here, even if it is a huge Null fencesit, why no comment on him before prompted? Because Slandaar-Town has attacked him? So we have one confirmed town and you are steering away from any player he suspects because his scum-hunting is bad? You think my scum-hunting is bad but you still voted for Peregrine.

Oh, I'm already voting for him. SOrry!

Has anything of note happened in the past several pages? Nothing led Iec to unvote Nexus.

↑ WrathChild wrote:@Split: Here's some reading

I'm willing to work with you to get SD's team, if he has one. I still think you might be linked to ooba, unless MoI is because ooba might have just been backing his buddy by going after you.

I'd also like other players to ISO me and MoI to see my case and his responses (looking at you, Iec). If I have any cred with any of you about being right about ooba, or even if I don't, do this and let me know what you think.

on my phone so don't expect a whole lot until tomorrow..
wanted to reply to what Magna said:

Magna wrote:I don’t know – did you put no effort into analyzing the Nightkills?

Syndrome was blastered. No-one else was. There is no way scum could stop every Blaster vote so unless you think I am lying about re-directing the blaters and that scum somehow protected the actual Town Blaster target via Doc then that kill is clearly accounted for.

So that leaves Ooba and Shadow. Shadow didn’t kill himself. Thus ooba’s death flavor most likely comes from Shadow (or his faction if you don’t think he’s a SK). I don’t think “fell in a hole” is a Force-based kill method. Do you?

Yes i did analyze the writeup...and that's why i ask you why you keep pushing hard on the 1 scum team...you have stated enough times matter of factly that SD was an SK...
so let's look at Ooba's death flavor...falling down a hole. So what you are proposing is that there is only a single scum group and Shadow (as SK Boba Fett) "pushed Ooba into a hole."

Boba Fett...
The Bounty Hunter...
Who specializes in guns and blasters...
pushed Ooba into a hole....

can you see how that doesn't make sense?

Links of SD to Malee/Cow and Fennin/BBmolla: plus bonus attacking of confirmed town Peregrine and Slan

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:This is back up, great...

Just wanted to say I am still /in...

Don't know what else to say... It's so long ago, I hardly even remember half the players in the list I vaguely remember the Fennin waggon being a load of bullcrap though.

I guess the old posts won't ever come back into existence outside of that zip? I guess I'll need to reread that again then :\

I also think I voted Slandaar for some really ugly attack he made against... Was it Malee? I really need to reread. But for now

vote Slan

Just to have some counterballance to that Fennin bogus.

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:
I am pretty sure that
1. my defense of Fennin was far less subtle, i. e. pretty straight outright, and based on the fact that there is simply no well-justified reason to suspect Fennin over lots of others at the moment and that the reason so many people call him scum for (i.e. the breadcrumb issue) is min-boggling bogus.
2. My vote on Slan was based on something that he said about malee, not Fennin (though if he jumped on that waggon that would not exactly help his case I guess.... DOn't ask me for details now, I have to reread that part myself :\

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:[...]Went back and looked. WrathChild is 2nd tier right now.

Unvote.
Vote: Fennin

I don't like people just throwing names around... Doesn't offer much of a read and looks a lot like alibi posting (Hey, look, I don't explain them but I

have

reads!)

I think I can agree on a

FoS Per

by now. I find his posting irritatingly non-yielding for quite a while now... (not that I could remember a lot of what he's posted, but that alone is pretty telling I guess)

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

And what exactly do you expect?! A full claim? Stop the role fishing.

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:

↑ Slandaar wrote:Some people seem a little confused.

I am town.

Also I actually am feeling Andrius scum now too

That Huge wall he just wrote said NOTHING.

"Oh, fuck it, I am so alone in calling Shadow and Magna scum, so let's whine a bit more and try to change direction, Andrius just posted 'nothing'!!!" Sounds a lot like your vote on malee and I have to ask you the same here: Define "nothing", are you just unable to comprehend people talking to you or are you willingly overlooking that he definitely gave reads and explanations, which is definitely more than what you are doing? And also (again): Did he do something that was actually <i>scummy</i> in your eyes or is this just another empty accusation?

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:Obviously we are not lynching BB. He's way too valuable for town if we can confirm him, which is not unlikely.

Per gets a lot of newb leeway from me (based on recent game experience with him), but even with that I cannot really see how he could possibly really believe in the bullshit case he was trying to push on BB.

My second favourite lynch would be Nero right now, he showed very scummy and OMGUSy reactions when I pressured him on his "random vote". And then there's that very recent bullshit case on the malee slot (for avatar changing... Really forced argument) - telling it now, just in case: if either of Per or Wrath should happen to flip scum in the future, he's a very likely partner.

I also consider wrath and syndrome possible lynches, but I consider them more likely miguided town than peregrine.

Not really seing the hasd case.

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:@Kdup: I don't know

when

exactly you got obsessed with the Fen/BB case, but your overfocussing has definitely long been far from rational. It's not advantageous for town to lynch him today for tactical reasons. Case (temporarily) closed.
And just to point your newest flaw: BB did not really correct or change his claim, all he did was clarifying some aspects of it and giving his interpretation which you have good reasons to diagree with, but none to call him a liar for.

I don't seem to find much in the way of strong reads from him outside of calling Nero scum, and also WC and syndrome in a light way.

Cow and BB are SD's partners because he defends their slots. By contrast, he attacks two confirmed town in Pere and Slan.

Isn't Bobba Fett related in some ways to Darth Vader and Jabba the Hutt?

kinda. Fett works for Jabba and has to bring in Solo. Vader hires some bounty hunters but I don't remember if Bobba Fett was one of them.

Though I don't see why any of this matters.

@split do you think Magna is defending Cow? Couldn't they be buddies?

I think Spitfarvle came out ahead against Magna. Magna is much more petulant this game than he was in MST3k. I've got this voice in my head saying that he may well be scum.


Discussion about multiball possibilities are a waste of time, ESPECIALLY kill flavor with Boba Fett. I don't see any point in searching for slips until we know for sure what scum composition we're up against.

Cow isn't a strong read for me either way at this point. I know the guy personally, Spit's argument about the 'funny' interaction between Cow and BB is exactly how the man works. Doesn't mean he's town, but it's not a scumtell.

I have no idea what to do with Drmyshotgun. He hasn't contributed a thing, hasn't payed a lick of attention, and seems to be trolling with some of his questions. If the forum were healthier, I'd ask DeathNote and see if we could force replace him. (Much pun intended)

↑ splitfarvle wrote:

TL;DR

Cow and BB are SD's partners because he defends their slots. By contrast, he attacks two confirmed town in Pere and Slan.

Do you think that scum are more likely to defend their partners? I think the opposite. If they know someone isn't part of their scumteam, they'll try to defend them for townpoints when they flip town.

Dear Magna

I am afraid your secretarial skills have not been up to par lately, please can you provide links to your scum meta immediately or I will have to take further action.

Thank you
MD Slandaar

Dont want to have to replace out, will try and catch up when I get back.

Dear Slandaar,

Your ability to understand what "No, I don't care" means and ability to actually use the God given features of MS are noted as completely non-existent. Please don't bother with your faux Tough Guy act ...

Magna

Dear Magna

Thank you for your quick reply on this matter as it is of paramount importance. Unfortunately such features mentioned in your reply are all very strange to me and take me many an hour to navigate, if you could kindly use another of the said features to view your subscriptions then copy and paste links to some of your past Scum games into this here thread that would be greatly appreciated. If you have something to hide in said games however and decide not to post said links, I will understand.

Slandaar

Dear Slandaar,

If you had a brain you could easily click the handy-dandy Wiki button in my profile, see my list of game (which is not 100% up to date since the Tiger Attack ate my most recent entries) and then easily compile a list to quickly reference yourself. If that would take you hours you are less intelligent than a chimp. My daughter could do that in 15 minutes and she's in the Second Grade.

Magna

↑ DeathNote wrote:

Vote Count

WrathChild

- NeroCain (L-8)

BBmolla

- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)

MagnaofIllusion

- WrathChild, drmyshotgun, splitfarvle, Slandaar, shmugen (L-5)

Nexus

- Iecerint, BBmolla, Brizingre1 (L-5)

swordofomens

- 4nxi3ty (L-8)

splitfarvle

- MagnaofIllusion (L-8)

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch

DN, please confirm if this is correct or not.