TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[BBmolla]

Zar/T-Bone.

[BBmolla]

Still need to reread to confirm but it makes most sense here.

[xRECKONERx]

Zar/T-Bone.

This was my initial thought as well, but I don't want to rule out you OR DV as the second scum before I have a chance to do individual isos.

[T-Bone]

That's only if you truly forgot to vote Deas, and when Reck claims that you had the deciding power in your group forgive me if I don't quite believe you would forget when you were actively participating in the game.

It's Deas and someone else...

[BBmolla]

I'm nearly ruling out DV for recent play, but wanna reread you Reck, in addition to everyone, so fair enough.

[DeasVail]

That's only if you truly forgot to vote Deas, and when Reck claims that you had the deciding power in your group forgive me if I don't quite believe you would forget when you were actively participating in the game.

Funny how you're the only one that has claimed to have forgotten to vote and the only one that is accusing me as scum with that as a reason.

[BBmolla]

DV who is scum, initial thoughts, go.

[T-Bone]

That reason isn't that big of a deal to me. Yes you could be lying, and from your perspective so can I. The difference is, you had all the power in your voting group, I didn't have the power in mine. You lying about how you behaved in your group is a likely scenario. It isn't THE reason that you're scum, it's another reason that just supports my argument for you being scum. But, I need a scumteam, not a single scum member, so I'm not going back and forth with you on this. I think you're lying, you say you're not. Don't try to flood the thread with this pointless argument. You have no way to prove you're not, and thus no way to convince me.

You're scum because....process of elimination in the judging groups....because yesterday you didn't care who Reck's partner was if we lynched him...and those are my two biggest reasons as I demonstrated yesterday and today. I'm all but convinced that you're scum, at this point I want to know who your partner is. I'm not interested in demonstrating why you are scum, again I'm interested in demonstrated why you and XXX are scum, whoever that might be. I haven't made a decision yet.

Why aren't you trying to convince us Reck is scum? Has anything changed between yesterday and today? And who is his partner? It's LyLo so now you have to have an idea at this point.

So, BB, Reck, Zar, who is your strongest scumread, and who do you think is their partner?

[BBmolla]

My team is also dead, last I heard UN thought we should lynch Reck, then Zar, then Magna.

He was definitely most convinced on Zar.

I think Zar is scum. But I need to reread. If anyone has a townread on Zar they need to explain it(or reexplain it DV).

[DeasVail]

My team and I are leaning Reck/T-Bone, but I haven't had a good reread through stuff yet, so I'll probably do that, decide who I think is scum (I do suspect it will be Reck/T-Bone), maybe discuss any new findings with my team and then post stuff up on that.

The quick reason is because of Reck being scummy, T-Bone being scummy (although I have to reconsider my earlier reasons for thinking him town) and T-Bone not being able to explain a read on Reck at all. (i.e. trying not to have him as a scumread, while also not wanting to read him as town/defend him either).

Zar may even end up being my strongest townread at this time and if I still feel this way after I go through stuff I will explain it.

[DeasVail]

Also, I'll be gone in 5 days so if this game's still going then/I'm still alive, Slandaar (who is amazing) has said that he's happy to replace me.

[T-Bone]

That's a fair point. I didn't really care about Reck all that much since he was in my Day 1 group with scum Ajax.

[DeasVail]

That's a fair point. I didn't really care about Reck all that much since he was in my Day 1 group with scum Ajax.

Well you didn't say that at the time..

[T-Bone]

I thought that was a given with all my stressing on the judging groups. My mistake if that wasn't clear.

[DeasVail]

I have free time now, so I'm going to be looking over everybody and attempting to analyse possible partnerships and stuff. Problem is, I'm really quite terrible at making decisions about what I think, so having people's thoughts on what I post would be helpful.

Reck + BBmolla

The first thing is Reck's vote for Quilford in 65 which joins Molla's to be the only other one on Quilford. I wouldn't be terribly opposed to joining my scumbuddy on an early wagon, but I'm not sure if Reck would be.

Molla repeatedly buddies Reck throughout. Again, this doesn't mean much to me considering how I've played as scum, but it may to others. Actually it probably does make the pairing slightly less likely to me.

Reck strongly argues against the logic of him being buddies with Molla in 862. This makes the pairing less likely in my opinion.

All in all, this pairing doesn't really make much sense to me.

@BBmolla: What about my recent play makes me town? Can you say your thoughts on Reck? Also, what about my play have you found particularly dumb this game?

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Key question that I want thoughts on:

Why would scum give molla-town a fakescummy?

[DeasVail]

I'm leaving Reck/T-Bone until the end.

Reck & Zar

I'll most likely dismiss this pair as impossible because of Reck calling Zar scummy, but never trying to get him lynched (most apparent on Day 3 with KK's lynch). I think this is a good reason because I'm pretty sure Reck as scum would actually bus if he was going to bus, and wouldn't do something like that which would tie him to Zar in most people's eyes.

@Zar: What did you think of theam toward the end of the previous day?

[DeasVail]

By the way, I went through their double ISO and didn't find anything contradicting with what I think.

[Zar]

My team is also dead, last I heard UN thought we should lynch Reck, then Zar, then Magna.

He was definitely most convinced on Zar.

I think Zar is scum. But I need to reread. If anyone has a townread on Zar they need to explain it(or reexplain it DV).

Wait, UberUseless is in your team?

[Zar]

@Zar: What did you think of theam toward the end of the previous day?

My team had been long convinced theam was town. And MoI calling theam scum because of self-hammering was LOL, but other than that, I didn't think his reaction to MoI's push was scummy or that his behavior was indicative of alignment.

[xRECKONERx]

DV, are you literally only doing me + XXX pairings for scum?

I'm having kind of a professional crisis right now. I'll get to this today sometime.

Did anyone else receive a fake scummie?

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 5, Votecount 1

Not Voting:

xRECKONERx, Zar, BBmolla, T-Bone, DeasVail

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday 4th July at 15:30 EST
Countdown: (expired on 2012-07-04 15:30:53)

[DeasVail]

@Zar: What did you think of theam toward the end of the previous day?

My team had been long convinced theam was town. And MoI calling theam scum because of self-hammering was LOL, but other than that, I didn't think his reaction to MoI's push was scummy or that his behavior was indicative of alignment.

Why didn't you try to stop the lynch?

DV, are you literally only doing me + XXX pairings for scum?

I'm having kind of a professional crisis right now. I'll get to this today sometime.

Did anyone else receive a fake scummie?

No, I was doing you first because you're at the top of the alive list on the front page. Things came up and I ran out of time last night, but I will try and do others as well.

Good luck with the RL stuff!

[Zar]

you mean, other than claiming I wasn't going to vote theam? what else would I be able to do? My suspects were Molla and T-Bone, clearly neither which was of anyone's interest.

[xRECKONERx]

I was typing up a PBPA on Zar in iso and the more I read, the more I realized my memory of his play doesn't match up with reality. While he has a LOT of setup speculation/IIOA, he also does seem to have a decent number of posts that have value and content. So now I'm just fucking conflicted.

drinks now, thinking later. long day

[xRECKONERx]

SpyreX pointed something out about something but I need to think on it a little bit more.

In the meantime...

Question to all: at the end of D4, what was your read on MoI?