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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:08 pm
by Equinox
Vote Count 2.14Benmage (3) - Johhog, Llamarble, Zachrulez
Llamarble (3) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Captain Falcon, singersigner
Zachrulez (2) - Nachomamma8, Bub Bidderskins
Bub Bidderskins (1) - SocioPath
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Benmage

Not Voting (1) - Matias


With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:06 pm
by Benmage
↑ Zachrulez wrote:
↑ Benmage wrote:
↑ Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:P.S. the notion that MoS being on benmage's team is somehow incongruous with him being useless is nonsensical. And the person I'd most expect to care would be benmage if he were scum.

Thank you.
Anyone worth 2 cents should have written me down as conftown long ago.


That said, quite comical I get some votes after promising to get my act together this weekend.


That's not a significant factor in my vote.

Im assuming you don't mean the bolded. So, what do you think of CES's point?

And what is the significant factor?

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:54 pm
by Cogito Ergo Sum
↑ Llamarble wrote:Regfan dying makes sense from almost anybody, which is about the extent of what you've said D2.

Forgot this earlier: yes, any scum could've killed him, but a scum team containing you definitely would've killed him. A simple application of Bayes' Theorem gives us the desired conclusion. You should know this.

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:26 pm
by Cogito Ergo Sum
You should start a counterwagon on Nacho, 'marble - his lurking actually is scummy and shea having picked White Flag actually is meaningful.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:02 am
by Zachrulez
↑ Benmage wrote:
↑ Zachrulez wrote:
↑ Benmage wrote:
↑ Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:P.S. the notion that MoS being on benmage's team is somehow incongruous with him being useless is nonsensical. And the person I'd most expect to care would be benmage if he were scum.

Thank you.
Anyone worth 2 cents should have written me down as conftown long ago.


That said, quite comical I get some votes after promising to get my act together this weekend.


That's not a significant factor in my vote.

Im assuming you don't mean the bolded. So, what do you think of CES's point?

And what is the significant factor?


No I wasn't referring to the bolded. The bolded means nothing to me. Team meta factors aside and the arguments they do or do not bring, it's your play that is driving my vote, it's ringing all the alarm bells in my head. The type of play you are bringing to this game is not consistent at all with the town Benmage I know, but it is consistent with the scum Benmage that I know.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:30 am
by singersigner
↑ SocioPath wrote:
↑ singersigner wrote:@Socio...I'm not quite sure I follow this:
SocioPath wrote:There are several players, whom, if called town by a player, that player is more likely to be scum.

It works the same way if they call me scum.
Scum call certain people town to keep them at bay and off of their asses.
Or use it to blindly dismiss a scum buddy.
Regardless of how that "town" player is behaving.

Its one of the reasons why I love lists of reads from peoples so much.

Can you explain what your reasoning is for voting people who have exclusively called you scummy, then? It seems like it would be the opposite, as in, you're looking for the people who dismiss you as town for seemingly no reason...

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:52 am
by Benmage
↑ Zachrulez wrote: but it is consistent with the scum Benmage that I know.

What game are you referring to?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:57 am
by Zachrulez
↑ Benmage wrote:
↑ Zachrulez wrote: but it is consistent with the scum Benmage that I know.

What game are you referring to?


In terms of town experiences I would be referring to games like Apennine mafia and Stars aligned III. (I can't remember if I've played with Benmage town in other games.) In terms of scum experiences I would be referring to The Simpsons theme game, and Mafia Invictus.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:01 am
by Zachrulez
Here are the links to the games if anyone wants to actually look them up.

Apennine Mafia
Star's Aligned III
Mafia Invictus
Simpsons Theme

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:17 am
by Benmage
:eek: :eek: :eek: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

YEAH. I'm awesome in those town games.

And 100X more awesome in those scum games. WTF. Those scum games. Confmetown.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:18 am
by Zachrulez
Your meta is actually kind of backwards to what I tend to expect from players, but is staggeringly easy to distinguish once you know what you're looking for.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:19 am
by Benmage
Gosh zach you gonna make me find town games of me being lackadasical?

You dont believe my I can't pick scum spiel?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:20 am
by Benmage
↑ Zachrulez wrote:Your meta is actually kind of backwards to what I tend to expect from players, but is staggeringly easy to distinguish once you know what you're looking for.

Awesome scum games?
Dick town games?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:20 am
by Benmage
g2g lil bros graduation, gosh zach get it together.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:23 am
by Zachrulez
↑ Benmage wrote:Gosh zach you gonna make me find town games of me being lackadasical?

You dont believe my I can't pick scum spiel?


I don't really buy the basis of the argument, cause you can make it whether or not you actually do decide to select scum.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:30 am
by Zachrulez
↑ Benmage wrote:g2g lil bros graduation, gosh zach get it together.


I'm pretty sure I have it together. But go ahead, tell me who I should vote. Convince me. You haven't even really tried to do that with any vote you've made the entire game.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:13 am
by Bub Bidderskins
unvote; vote: llamarble


This zach wagon isn't getting anywhere.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:22 am
by Captain Falcon
↑ Llamarble wrote:Once I am threatened with being lynched, I ask people to actually read my stuff I've done and stop being stupid?
What an incredibly scummy thing to do!
Surely I haven't done that practically every time I've ever been run up as town.


The fact that you realize this means you can manipulate it. Haven't you heard of that opinion about meta? Once it's realized it no longer becomes relevant due to the fact that it can be manipulated, or do you not agree with the premise?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:02 am
by Nachomamma8
↑ Benmage wrote::eek: :eek: :eek: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

YEAH. I'm awesome in those town games.

And 100X more awesome in those scum games. WTF. Those scum games. Confmetown.

Okay, I'm literally just tired of reading this crap.
Unvote, Vote: Benmage


Llamarble, while still defending himself in the same "oh yeah, this is my town meta" bullshit way, is at least doing something. You aren't.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:06 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
It's no fun if you make your partnership that obvious, nacho...

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:22 am
by Benmage
Wait now u think Im scum CES?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:34 am
by singersigner
I'm noticing a distinct avoidance of the llamarble wagon from very distinct people. Nacho, why is that the one post that's causing you to change your vote from Zach? What about his posting makes Benmage scum? Why does llamarble "doing something" make him less scum than someone who's not around/posting crap? Does that make Socio scum for the same reasons?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:34 am
by singersigner
I'm noticing a distinct avoidance of the llamarble wagon from very distinct people. Nacho, why is that the one post that's causing you to change your vote from Zach? What about his posting makes Benmage scum? Why does llamarble "doing something" make him less scum than someone who's not around/posting crap? Does that make Socio scum for the same reasons?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:56 am
by Benmage
Spoiler: for those who think I'm still scum
Here’s a quick excerpt from in the court of gods. Its DTM, but most people will echo this:

↑ DTMaster wrote:You know what this is getting out of hand. I'd rather sink my gambit then spiral this out of contol.

I am a Town Hider

What I did was tell LLD that I will be targetting Benmage tonight and the game we did together (expressed by LLD) is Disgaea 2 Mafia. Benmage was a major leader in that game, and used RBT his mason vig buddy to shoot scumz and scummy players. He lead the town to almost victory before dying.
Benmage hasn't shown any of his leadership in this game so I had him under suspect.

↑ DTMaster wrote: The same type of play style (not caring, no cases, etc) applies to Benmage.

↑ DTMaster wrote:@Benmage
Don't you have insights of your own to put forward? Everything so far has been extremely reactionary. (There's no actions/scumhunting/etc put forward from you via cases at all).

↑ DTMaster wrote:
6. Jack. Um... the Benmage thing did happen. I remember going oh lol wait I'm wrong,
but the laziness still is a valid point to attack
. And you attacked with me. I'll need to iso the rest to confirm Equinox's points now.

↑ DTMaster wrote:
5. I also hate the implied notion that things can't continue until a flip/claim occurs. The stall comes from people not doing crap. Like Nopoint or
Benmage
. Farside, Equinox, and DGB/Andruis are examples of attacks elsewhere (While DGB is being lolz about it).

↑ DTMaster wrote:
11. If Benmage continues to self meta I want game references plz and thanks.

(I just love selfmeta)

Here we have mini 1168 the links below show a lack of activity/prod doging from May18 to June 1.:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3060880
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3067726
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3078466
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3087630

Lets look at LLD in AGM’s CYS:
↑ Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
@Mod: Can I get a mass prod? If not, can I get a prod on CSL, Katsuki, Ani, Maemuki, MOI and Benmage?


(Like I said in the VC - it's a weekend, but I'll be sending out a giant prod wave tomorrow. --AGM)


↑ Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, Benmage is looking pretty bad. He's usually got more to say than this.

@Benmage: Who is scum?


↑ Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Benmage, you're useless.


Me falling behind:
March 29
↑ Benmage wrote:This wasn't suppose to be a spam game...I'll try and read tomorrow.. :roll:

April 1.
↑ Benmage wrote:Apologies, I'll see what I can do later tonight.

Me trying to catchup and getting angry:
↑ Benmage wrote:
Because this was so difficult for you...How far behind in this game am I?? Oh yeah... BUT WOES ME FOR ASKING TO MAKE MY LIFE A LITTLE EASIER...how fucking anti-town can you be. And you have the audacity to try and make me look back with your shitty belittling link comment....fucking uncalled for and disgusting. Go fuck yourself.

Next time you skim read...wait to see if someone else answered the request, save us from calling the whambulance.


OO this is good:
↑ Benmage wrote:Myb for mia again....ill get back in here soon.

↑ Benmage wrote:Dinner with the fam...then hopefully some freetime for mafia.

↑ Benmage wrote:*insert peter griffin awkward laugh* 5 more pgs down putting me onto top of 11 :shifty: :shifty: ... I forgot too much from what I skimmed since where I left off..so hopefully from here I'll stay concurrent while catching up.



^^^Click that link. Thats me saying I just read 5 pages bringing me to pg 11... when the games on pg 32. LOL. This was a really shitty townbenmagegame.

So are we convinced Shitgames = Benmagetown yet?

How about that dragon reference from ACoK:
↑ Mina wrote:
I've seen Benmage play town, in WoT Mafia and another game (I think one of the Freaktowns). There, he was super-aggressive, abrasive, controversial, made a lot of crappy arguments and weak attacks on obvtown, and was a major lynch target. But he was totally unconcerned with what other people though of him. I see a difference here. He keeps
stalling for time
, ingratiating himself to people who aren't I doubt it, playing nice and going with the flow, blatantly bandwagoning, etc. He never even reacted emotionally to my attack on him on Day One. I think that if he were town, he'd get a lot more heated in response. Dude, I called him a PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE BULLY.

↑ Benmage wrote:
Mina wrote:Can you please stop it?

Lol! Stop being me. I get complained about not being me. You awake the dragon and complain. Listen if you're gonna play with fire, you're gonna get burned.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:57 am
by Benmage
That was mildly entertaining.
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