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Vi, whats your meta on Ben town v Ben scum?

**Someone pull the WhiteFlag Benmage Meta Defense, and paste it in here. Then go yes.

↑ Benmage wrote:

↑ Shadoweh wrote:To be fair Tierce does seem pretty obvtown now. Then again I am a terrible judge of character.

What ganja you smokin?

Meh, I still don't have any positives strong enough that I feel I should be the one to choose the lynch beyond making sure it isn't bad.
Benmage's play here is meh but it doesn't guarantee he'll flip scum. P.Edit: I just looked at your whiteflag play and yeah there are similarities; the 'maybe he is scum trying to emulate townplay from an earlier game' notion even popped into my head.
CES is still not a bad lynch.
I will probably follow the Tierce / Vi crew since I largely agree with them.

I'm especially having difficulty in this game with figuring out what the scumteam as a whole is doing. It's probably something like a lurker, a strong player, and one of the DV/Shadoweh types.
CES' wagon is funky enough right now that I wouldn't be surprised if it contained one of his scumbuddies. UT + CES would make sense to me.
I would love to see a few guesses at buddy-pairings.

↑ Benmage wrote:Vi, whats your meta on Ben town v Ben scum?

I don't have one. I also don't care.

Llamarble 1076 wrote:CES' wagon is funky enough right now that I wouldn't be surprised if it contained one of his scumbuddies. UT + CES would make sense to me.
I would love to see a few guesses at buddy-pairings.

No and stop saying scummy things. You're ruining my everything.

I'm going to be honest, everyone who wasn't in gray in that one post is fair game and it's OPEN SEASON with 24 hours left to go. Pick someone and go with it, dragging your friends along. This is not the time to stay put.

Sorry; I will make my towniness worthy of relying on.
That being said you basically just said what I just said, but if you don't want to pick I will do it.
Most of the non-gray people are voting CES, which is more or less what I was getting at.

Argh, I just can't spend any more time trying to figure this out right now.
But I did.
The Konowa / UT slot is the only slot I don't get mind-contortions of doubt about lynching.
Actually no, Shadoweh (got to her after UT but had thought I remembered having some doubts) is pretty OK too. And they do work together, well.
I don't know whether doubts receding is just entirely random workings of my brain or I've actually gotten onto the proper track, but this is the second time I've read Shadoweh and thought 'this is a person we should really be lynching.'

Shadoweh + UT are scum and I am confident enough to proceed.
VOTE: Shadoweh if I wasn't already.
I am completely willing to switch to Konowa as I do have positives on both of them now, but this is good.

Blerm, neither of them were on my wagon.
Meh, CES / Benmage / DV can spit up #3 later.

The wagon I always wanted and it's finally here! Oh happy day.

Day 2, Votecount 13

Vi (2) - Benmage, Tammy
Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - Untrod Tripod, Shadoweh
Untrod Tripod (1) - Deasvail
Deasvail (1) - Wickedestjr

Shadoweh (4) - Tierce, Cogito Ergo Sum, Vi, Llamarble

Benmage (2) - Nachomamma8, OhGodMyLife

Not voting (1) :

Empire

• With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 21st of March at 11:15pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-21 19:15:44)
  
• No One V/la

Still looking for a Wicked replacement. (Heh.)

OhGodMyLife wrote:

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

The wagon I always wanted and it's finally here! Oh happy day.

Goes back to playing Pathfinder...

...

I'm productively watching Pinkie Pie sing about smiling. It's making me much happier.
Vi he's still town due to CTD remember?
THIS WOULD MAKE ME SMILE SMILE SMILE

Tierce: Considering what I said about your vote I would hope you don't seriously believe I can't understand why it happened. Here is my thought process: In Weather Mafia I was dead set against lynching the only viable counterwagon to me because I thought they were town, and got lynched after there was no other option. That person was scum, and I really shouldn't have valued someone else over myself. I am TOWN and I want to see what the next flip holds.

↑ OhGodMyLife wrote:

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

The wagon I always wanted and it's finally here! Oh happy day.

Goes back to playing Pathfinder...

Just caught up and, can we just wagon this guy instead? Pleeeeeeease. I'm not really a fan of any of the other major wagons.

(He still hasn't explained why he wants to wagon Benmage so badly despite being asked by multiple people to do so.)

↑ Empire wrote:(He still hasn't explained why he wants to wagon Benmage so badly despite being asked by multiple people to do so.)

So?

Reading back though, his vote is actually consistent with what he said after replacing in, which is more then I can say for most of the people here.
Wicked outright disappeared and I don't think DV has posted since before my wagon was actually a wagon. The votes do feel sluggish, like a swaying tree hoping momentum will carry it over. I'd prefer OGML over CES at least?
Llamarble, if you're going to be second-time dead set, you could at least tell me why. Everyone else has stated a reason. I really hope it's not because I 'work with UT' since that's not something I've personally done.
Cut: Empire, reading his iso:

↑ OhGodMyLife wrote:

Unvote, Vote: CES

Reading Crash from d1, CES is among the people he never did much with (see Tammy's

773

for a full list). He ends up with two mentions:

↑ CrashTextDummie wrote:Short answer: I haven't seen anything from him that indicates scum to me. This comment was mostly intended to get you and CES to do something more productive with your votes.

In the quote, 'him' is Vi, while 'you' is Benmage. Kind of coach-y, definitely a kid gloves approach. This is also one of the reasons I've been interested in Benmage, along with the l-1 'blame someone else' wagon hop on penguin.

He did say why he wanted to lynch him? It's not like he has alot of posts to look though.

idiocy is a plague best dealt with early.

↑ Shadoweh wrote:He did say why he wanted to lynch him? It's not like he has alot of posts to look though.

Oh, bleh, forgot that since CES had been asking him a few times to explain that read with no response.

Still not really a fan of any of these three wagons.

↑ Empire wrote:Still not really a fan of any of these three wagons.

then join Benmage on OGML or choose your favorite

It's not because of the Konowa connection, nor can I give you specific these are the things that make you scum. Several of the posts that stuck out to me were:

↑ Shadoweh wrote:To be fair Tierce does seem pretty obvtown now.

I may have mentioned it already, but this reminded me of me-scum in whiteflag sticking up for DGB's overearly townread on Equinox.

↑ Shadoweh wrote:This is going to be one of those games where I get ignored until people want to lynch me again isn't it. >_> I supose it's because I'm not sure enough to engage INDIGNANT RAGE mode. I assure you I mean every moment seriously though.

This felt fake

↑ Shadoweh wrote:CTD: Your scum list is like a Katamari Damacy game. Empire. Empire + Shadoweh. Empire + Shadoweh + Llamarble. Empire + Shadoweh + N + Llamarble BANZAI! You keep collecting suspects without doubting that maybe you were wrong about one on the way. That's the lack of change that I'm referring to that is completely accurate.
"Here are two ways to counteract a wagon. You didn't o the first one THEREFORE YOU ARE BAD" ignoring that my argument was that I was doing the second thing. GJ.

Unlike Nacho, I found this a scumfakeable line of reasoning. That may have been silly of me though; I see most 'the votes / suspicions went like this' lines as fakeable because that's the kind of thing I like to use as scum. In fact, I think I used this exact katamari line of thought as scum against CEStown as scum in WF, but that was ages ago.
I have to admit you do seem legit excited to lynch Benmage instead of CES.
I would LOVE to lynch Benmage and see him flip scum, but I haven't been able to fully convince myself that's what will happen when he dies.

yeah....



no time for counterwagons. this flip will tell us volumes about a few vocal players

↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:yeah....

unvote, vote Shadoweh

no time for counterwagons. this flip will tell us volumes about a few vocal players

No time?
Your vote is the difference between Shadoweh in first and the wagons tying...

considering that I specifically asked you to join the CEStrain and you DIDN'T I don't think you get to bitch now

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:

↑ Llamarble wrote:

↑ Untrod Tripod wrote:nacho, get on the CES wagon and we can get a real dueling wagons thing going here. you're the key, don't let me down man

That would make
CES + Vi + Tierce + Me
vs
UT + Nacho + Shadoweh + OGML wagon.
Good luck.

you better kill me tonight

Vote: CES

...!
I didn't last long, but you don't need to last long either

I am legit excited to lynch someone I think might be scum, yes. You are looking way too much into me saying Tierce is town, I don't believe I'd call her anything but regardless of alignment. As for the second one it's more like ORACLE LEVEL FUTURETELLING don't you think? For the last, did you actually tell people they were a Katamari ball in the thread? That would be pretty awesome but most people don't post like that. I enjoy posting more when I remember to have a sense of humor. Today's posts up to now? Not funny. Needed more ponies.

UT: Actually my counterwagon is the same size as mine so whyfore are you voting me? You've literally not mentioned me since you replaced in.

unless I'm mathing wrong the counterwagon isn't the same size at all

Turns out what I accused CES of was totally static reads rather than Katamari reads, which aren't precisely the same thing but are based on the same idea.

you're right, Nacho hasn't moved his vote yet, if he will or not. I supose it shouldn't be counted before it's moved, but still you'd be making them the same size.