Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[Slandaar]

Do you think the Pirate case is good? Why is it you said all my cases were bad then go 'oh lol whoops' I meant only two of them!

[Slandaar]

I currently have 5 scum voting me

Its actually hilarious.

[Piratecat]

#1062 is actually quite a good point by Slan: molliekittens can you explain please?

it isn't really. you can think a player is logical and makes sense with their reasoning but still think they have too high of an opinion of themselves. I think slaandar is both.

in the titanium game his entrance into the titanium dead qt was: "smashboard was not the town leader he was only the pretender. I was the true town leader and that is why I was nked".

^^^ which is why I thought he was 18. what grown man would say that?

slaandar didn't have a single correct read the entire time.

[Piratecat]

I currently have 5 scum voting me

Its actually hilarious.

lol. just saw this.

it kind of proves my point doncha think?

but at the same time the consistency with his overblown sense of his own self-importance gives us pause and makes us wonder if maybe he is town.

[Messiah]

Why is it you said all my cases were bad

Those

are seriously the worst "cases" I've ever seen

Yeah, no. I also think it's pretty clear from the reasoning I gave as to why the cases were bad that I wasn't talking about the PirateCat case, which is a decent contradiction to point out. I also never thought too poorly of your Cryo case. Does that mean your exchanges and push on Majiffy and KoC aren't really fucking terrible? No.

[Piratecat]

We'd like to tell you all a quick story:

Once upon a time there was a scumlord playing his scumlordy games:

----Slandaar: 'ZOMG, CRYO IS SCUM', 'Did I mention cryo was scum?', 'guys, cryo is scum', 'more votes cryo', 'vote cryo to lynch scum'.....

The good people of Cryotown (who were all nudists...AND super good looking) had recognized this scumlord from before and called him on his scumlordy play:

----Cryo: 'Slandaar, your tunneling reminds us of a game where you did the same thing and flipped scum....looking like a scum tell for you at this point...'

The scumlord thought he was sly and changed it up immediately:

----Slandaar: 'uh.......crap.....uh.......' 'oooh, I know!...AP is scum', 'KoC is scum', 'PC is scum', 'MaJiffy is scum'....Hope everyone sees I'm not tunneling now....

The good people of Cryotown saw through it and convinced the surrounding towns to kill the scum. The end.

I LOVE YOU CRYO!!!!!

[Piratecat]

Those are seriously the worst "cases" I've ever seen, Slandaar. Is there a reason your main method of casting suspicion on other players has been twisting their motivations to portray them in the way that suits your narrative the best in the face of the obvious?

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I actually see the point AP is trying to make w/r/t bork's reads wall and I kind of agree with it. I find it hard to believe that everyone getting in his face about it has such a hard time with the concept.

Speaking of AP, he seems really genuinely frustrated/upset and out of his mind at this game

. He's very likely town.

he started the game like that. he is literally jumping on anybody who questions him. it is one of the reasons why this half of the hydra has been so sus of him.

[Slandaar]

in the titanium game his entrance into the titanium dead qt was: "smashboard was not the town leader he was only the pretender. I was the true town leader and that is why I was nked".

You misquoted me. I said something like that but the wording is completely off.

slaandar didn't have a single correct read the entire time.

NJAC

Oh.

And the townreads I was right on... Nice attempt at discrediting me.

[Slandaar]

Yeah, no. I also think it's pretty clear from the reasoning I gave as to why the cases were bad that I wasn't talking about the PirateCat case, which is a decent contradiction to point out. I also never thought too poorly of your Cryo case. Does that mean your exchanges and push on Majiffy and KoC aren't really fucking terrible? No.

I don't think it was clear at all in fact I think you are not telling the truth.

But whatever.

Explain the KoC one then; he is arguing a fallacy isn't a fallacy when it clearly is?

Good luck.

[Piratecat]

@ slaandar

me switching my opinion on a player or holding the tension between 2 views on a player that might seemingly contradict one another, is a playstyle thing. you do realise that don't you?

so there is a distinct dissonance with your defense against majiffy's case on you and the one you are trying to push on us. unless you want to outright justify hypocrisy.

still loling that you think scum are so terrified of you that they all would risk voting as a bloc in order to get you removed. like that shit is seriously funny.

thinking scum will be distancing from what is going on. *looks at goat boy*

@ cryo

I want to talk to you when you have a minute!!!

[Messiah]

he started the game like that. he is literally jumping on anybody who questions him. it is one of the reasons why this half of the hydra has been so sus of him.

That's kind of why it seems so genuine to me though, I see a natural progression into the insanity starting right from the beginning. He started out slowly becoming more upset that mastin wasn't townreading him, and I know they're buddies and they hydra and mod together and whatever, and then it escalated from there after Majiffy and Nero(?) started to attack him when he jumped on Cryo's wagon.

It all just seems really genuinely emotional rather than a scummy panic thing.

[Piratecat]

in the titanium game his entrance into the titanium dead qt was: "smashboard was not the town leader he was only the pretender. I was the true town leader and that is why I was nked".

You misquoted me. I said something like that but the wording is completely off.

slaandar didn't have a single correct read the entire time.

NJAC

Oh.

And the townreads I was right on... Nice attempt at discrediting me.

I remember you saying that you thought njac was scum in the dead qt but I don't remember you pushing him as a scum read in the game thread

at all

. you were too busy with your hard on that I was scum, which I wasn't.

and I quoted from memory, pretty sure the wording can't be too far off. it was that funny and stuck out that much.

[Piratecat]

he started the game like that. he is literally jumping on anybody who questions him. it is one of the reasons why this half of the hydra has been so sus of him.

That's kind of why it seems so genuine to me though, I see a natural progression into the insanity starting right from the beginning. He started out slowly becoming more upset that mastin wasn't townreading him, and I know they're buddies and they hydra and mod together and whatever, and then it escalated from there after Majiffy and Nero(?) started to attack him when he jumped on Cryo's wagon.

It all just seems really genuinely emotional rather than a scummy panic thing.

okay. I think that might have been what mala saw.

what other reads you got

[Messiah]

Yeah, no. I also think it's pretty clear from the reasoning I gave as to why the cases were bad that I wasn't talking about the PirateCat case, which is a decent contradiction to point out. I also never thought too poorly of your Cryo case. Does that mean your exchanges and push on Majiffy and KoC aren't really fucking terrible? No.

I don't think it was clear at all in fact I think you are not telling the truth.

But whatever.

Explain the KoC one then; he is arguing a fallacy isn't a fallacy when it clearly is?

Good luck.

KoC was being intentionally cagey in his replies to you, but it was pretty obvious to me and probably everyone else what he meant.

You accused him of being scum several times and he was laughing you off because you never gave any reasoning, and then you somehow turned that around on him by claiming that he was asserting that he "can't be scum because there's no case," which is an incredibly extreme distortion of what was actually going on.

[havingfitz]

Ok...read/skimmed 25 pages and ~caught up. Painful. I liked Slandaar's post 1042. I'll stay on PirateCat for now.

[Piratecat]

also @ messiah

what do you think about the exchanges between marangala and goat boy.

let me explain what I was seeing:

to me it looked like goat boy was a deer caught in headlights by a scummate whom he thought was being dumb. he was all ready to go after her but then she soft claimed and then he was like wtf. and he has been playing the "I don't know what is going on can you teach me how to iso posts again?" ever since. it has been the scummiest exchange the entire game IMO. (mollie's)

what do you think about that. am I being reading too much into it or is there something there.

[Venmar]

Approximately Normal Guy has been replaced by Viomi!

Welcome him!

Also, Still searching for a replacement for GuyInFreezer

[Messiah]

Sorry for not responding to your question, mollie, but I have class in four minutes now. I'll try to get to that soonish.

[Piratecat]

Ok...read/skimmed 25 pages and ~caught up. Painful. I liked Slandaar's post 1042. I'll stay on PirateCat for now.

lol

[Mac]

also @ messiah

what do you think about the exchanges between marangala and goat boy.

let me explain what I was seeing:

to me it looked like goat boy was a deer caught in headlights by a scummate whom he thought was being dumb. he was all ready to go after her but then she soft claimed and then he was like wtf. and he has been playing the "I don't know what is going on can you teach me how to iso posts again?" ever since. it has been the scummiest exchange the entire game IMO. (mollie's)

what do you think about that. am I being reading too much into it or is there something there.

hello, can I input my opinion?

I find Ms M's soft claim a bit bullshit, her post says "of course you want me gone" as though she expects Goat to know her role and he's actively pushing to get her lynch.

I'm not sure what to make of it.

[Slandaar]

@ slaandar
me switching my opinion on a player or holding the tension between 2 views on a player that might seemingly contradict one another, is a playstyle thing. you do realise that don't you?

No its not.

Rest of the post is obviously nonsense because this is clearly wrong.

Playstyle: I scumhunt using x; I post a certain way; I use certain language in my posts; I post a certain frequency

Playstyle is not: I contradict myself

lol

[havingfitz]

Ok...read/skimmed 25 pages and ~caught up. Painful. I liked Slandaar's post 1042. I'll stay on PirateCat for now.

lol

Something else I find humorous (and frustrating) is that until the last few pages I was considering changing my vote to Slandaar.

[Slandaar]

You accused him of being scum several times and he was laughing you off because you never gave any reasoning, and then you somehow turned that around on him by claiming that he was asserting that he "can't be scum because there's no case," which is an incredibly extreme distortion of what was actually going on.

I never did show the quotes my case came from I suppose.

However, the fact is he was trying to defend from my case by arguing the case I presented was wrong because its not a fallacy which it is. He was arguing the content of my case was wrong; not that he never did what I suggested.

So, if you can explain that and not actually skate the issue please, thanks.

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: MollieKittens

Too much cog dissonance (happened again as Slandaar pointed out), misrepping AP, unexplained read changes that have retroactive explanations that don't follow from earlier posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

(AND super good looking)

Damn straight I am.

@Cryo though: Tunneling is, ironically, something Slandaar does as town and I'm pretty sure he is actually mostly immitating that in his scum games. For instance, this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=22466
He was so convinced that pidgey, a cop cleared VT claim, was actually a godfather that we ended up lynching pidgey in phase before lylo. (Not blaming Slandaar or anything, but seriously I'm just trying to show you what hes capable of when he is convinced hes right). Tunneling as scum is something he does to mimic his town play.

I currently have 5 scum voting me

I really don't want to lynch this. Slandaar could be playing me, but this is really the exact same attitude I've had more often than not as town. Biased and frustrated, but aggressive and loud.

I LOVE YOU CRYO!!!!!

ITT:
Mollie: Slandaar looks town. He was a stubborn ass and tunneled me to death as town in my first game.
Cryo: Slandaar is scum! Hes playing to his tunneling scum meta of one game!
Mollie: Yes, yes, yes!

still loling that you think scum are so terrified of you that they all would risk voting as a bloc

This is a fallacy. Who said they are 'afraid' of him? They could vote for other reasons (easy lynch, wifom of congregating, etc). Slandaar never said anyone was afraid of him.

natural progression into the insanity

haha. Trust me, I know Im a few cards short of a full deck.