Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[hp [leaves]]

I'm fine with the majority directing my actions for tonight night

[Scott Brosius]

Furthermore, if you're assuming the existence of a doctor, voting someone solely on the basis of a Roleblock claim makes very little sense. It doesn't confirm Scott as scum since it's entirely possible that a doctor/JK/whatever prevented the second shot.

This.

I'm pretty sure HP is town, or at the very least NOT scum.

1) Sloppy claims are usually town-claims.

Townies often don't care about keeping their story straight (since they're innocent to begin with), so a lot of claims become very sloppy and spontaneous. I think this is one of them.

Contrast this with AC's claim. His 1-shot doctor claim was incredibly neatly packaged, had a clean story behind it, and had all loose ends tied. It's incredibly different from this current scenario, in which HP basically assumed his claim was legit (which is a really townie trait), and bombed his claim without worrying about the consequences.

2) HP is showing no survivalist-mentality.

What does "scum-HP" have to gain from this claim? If he wanted to lynch Scott, he probably could have done so without claiming. Basically HP put himself in a position where he would get lynched if Scott flipped green, and making that 1-for-1 trade at this stage in the game (right after one of your scum-buddies dies) makes very little sense.

This is also why I doubt he's a 3rd party role. 3rd parties often want to lay low and surivive at all costs. This claim on his part not only puts him at risk to get lynched, but also puts him at risk to get shot by scum.

3) His "defense" makes sense.

1st, I wasn't here for the majority of the second day (because of the speedlynch, even though it was justified) so I didn't have time to comment at all
2nd, I do not breadcrumb my targets. Predictable actions=bad

Last day, SB's play consisted entirely of pushing Toomai's lynch while opposing ac's. Then he jumped on the ac bandwagon when he saw the lynch was inevitable. That's scum play.

All of this is true. HP simply wasn't around on day 2 to make any comments on Scott. Furthermore, his reasons for suspecting Scott are legit.

acfan's claim was nice and tidy? He amended it the next day with a nonlogical claimed action. This is null at best.

Of course he is being survivalist, before this game blew up, who was the lynch being directed towards today? leaves.

Agree that there is little chance of third party.


The idea that the claim is too elaborate to be scum is ridiculous. It is not farfetched that scum have daytalk given the kuribo flip, so something ridiculous is certainly feasible. Really? A ridiculous JOAT with roles nobody has ever heard of? This is what is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes?

A 5-shot JOAT is ridiculous in terms of power.

This is the only thing I can find - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16177

And it's a role that has never ACTUALLY been used up to that point.

As to why would scum completely fabricate a role?

Why not? If people exist that believe scum wont create fake roles, scum have all the motivation to create such a role.

This 100x. leaves obviously saw his partner go down with a fairly simple claim, had to try something completely different when the heat was on him.

With CP's doctor claim, it is quite obvious that the more likely scenario is that scum leaves tried to kill dash for townness/fear of being full tracker/etc, than leaves somehow developing a silent scum read on me and deciding to roleblock me. Give me a break.

[hapahauli]

Who are your other scumreads Scott?

[hapahauli]

Also Scott, one of the reasons I'm inclined to believe HP is that you're behavior this game has been really scummy. You've barely posted or cared about this game (until just now, when someone decides to get a wagon going on ya), and your Day 2 lynch actions look terrible. You were riding Toomai, then switched your vote to AC when it looked inevitable that he would get lynched. Your entire vote-post of AC looks like a weak bussing attempt.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Varsoon was supposed to claim next btw.

- GC

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@mod - hypothetically speaking if there was a 1 shot BP, would your order of night actions tell the person tit was used?

sup mod, sup

[Toomai]

So you leave no room for both claim being false?

That is correct. Both claims being false makes no sense at all to me.

[qwints]

Vote Count 3.1

Scott Brosius: hp[leaves], Toomai, Hapahauli, Dyslexicon (4)
hp[leaves]: GoodCopBadCop, Scott Brosius, Cheery Pie (3)

Not voting: Varsoon, Jake from Rainbowdash, Daemon385 (3)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

@mod - hypothetically speaking if there was a 1 shot BP, would your order of night actions tell the person tit was used?

Natural_Action_Resolution

Are normals even allowed to distinguish between kill methods?

The only information in flips is who died and what alignment they are.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2013-06-11 17:00:00)

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

mod, that link doesn't answer my question.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon was supposed to claim next btw.

- GC

Was I?
Why are we mass claiming?
Anyway, fuck you, you won't know my role, if any.
I'm Town.
That's my alignment.
NK me if you want a flip, shitheads.


Really suspicious of Cheery Pie (especially in that post where you gave me the popcorn) and HP.
Less of Scott, because the heat is on his back.

[Varsoon]

Oh, my top three scum candidates outside of HP are on the HP wagon?

VOTE: Scott


I want to see your role flip.
Then I want to see Cheery's.
Then, if we haven't hit scum, GCBC.

If there's no scum between the three of you, then I've been played.

[Varsoon]

My paranoia is also killing me.
If Hapa is scum, I'll do cartwheels off my roof while vomiting.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Varsoon was supposed to claim next btw.

- GC

Was I?
Why are we mass claiming?
Anyway, fuck you, you won't know my role, if any.
I'm Town.
That's my alignment.
NK me if you want a flip, shitheads.


Really suspicious of Cheery Pie (especially in that post where you gave me the popcorn) and HP.
Less of Scott, because the heat is on his back.

tsk tsk

claim your role, we are mass claiming so dashie can help figure out the setup.

btw, thinking about it there is absolutely no way HP's claim is legit

[Varsoon]

2 used + 2 left = how many?

Bulletproof is typically reflexive, not activated, so that wouldn't count.

If you killed zef then...that means mafia has killed no one?

You awake to find there is one less possible suspect. A friendlier than ordinary person was

stabbed

during the night.

I don't know what to make of this right now.

Mass claim is happening today. So toomai goes next and popcorns.

Fine.

Claim:

Vanilla Townie

Ummmmm...................I guess more people would prefer that CP claims next.

Toomai, why did you change the text to being green?

Anyway,
I am a Vanilla Townie.
My only abilities are my voice/vote.
I win if at least one town player is alive and all threats to the town are eliminated.

This is a paraphrase of my role-pm.
As far as I know, it's rules-legal.
Also, I won't be posting a picture of a cupcake or changing text colors to try to convince you.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon was supposed to claim next btw.

- GC

Was I?
Why are we mass claiming?
Anyway, fuck you, you won't know my role, if any.
I'm Town.
That's my alignment.
NK me if you want a flip, shitheads.


Really suspicious of Cheery Pie (especially in that post where you gave me the popcorn) and HP.
Less of Scott, because the heat is on his back.

tsk tsk

claim your role, we are mass claiming so dashie can help figure out the setup.

btw, thinking about it there is absolutely no way HP's claim is legit

Then why don't we lynch HP, and if he flips the role he claimed, then we lynch out of his wagon?

VOTE: HP Leaves

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I am a Vanilla Townie.
My only abilities are my voice/vote.
I win if at least one town player is alive and all threats to the town are eliminate

you didn't really need to type all of that because it's already typed on page 1.

1. GoodCopBadCop
2. Hapahauli
3. Dyslexicon
4. Cheery Pie - Doc
5. Jake from Rainbowdash - 1-shot tracker
6. hp[leaves] - 4 shot joat with a 1 shot BP
7. Varsoon - VT
11. Scott Brosius - VT
12. Daemon385
13. Toomai - VT

so pick either hap, Dyslx, or Daemon to go next

[Varsoon]

Hapa, I guess.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Everyone's already claimed, no? The rest said VT iirc.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm VT.

- GC

[hapahauli]

I claimed VT already.

[Daemon385]

VT here as well nothing special other then that that is my role so Dys next to popcorn

[GoodCopBadCop]

I believe we have 5 lynches left if we lynch one more scum, assuming that there's only 2 scum left.
Without lynching scum, we have 3 lynches left.

There's still some people I'm unsure of so this game isn't over yet.

- GC

[hapahauli]

Dys claimed VT.

Honestly looking at the setup, 4 blue roles (masoner, 1-shot tracker, JOAT, Doctor) doesn't seem terrible. I usually see 3-4 blue roles in 13-man setups, so this isn't all that unrealistic. I think we should be lynching into VT's today. We'll have two protection roles tonight, and hopefully we can either block a shot of force scum to shoot into one of the claims or a lurker.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I'm okay with lynching Scott first.

I think Hp should bodygaurd either Hapa or JFR. CP can target someone other than whoever Hp targets.

[GoodCopBadCop]

- GC