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I'm actually torn, because Amrun and Wisdom are saying reasonable things for why AP would be scum for his reaction, but I actually got the opposite impression, mainly from the following two posts:

In post 1015, AngryPidgeon wrote:Im on my phone driving home.

Gets her own tier for being so obv: Elyse
Scummy: amrun, grim

Townpool no order: wisdom,venmar, ns,mollie, majiffy.

enomis/sd are whatever.
One last thing. Venmar, were you talking about me or Wis that you cslled an ass?

In post 1005, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 1000, Venmar wrote:Yeah I hammered btw.

Lynch elyse tomorrow, thanks.

I absolve any responsibility from this impending loss.

- These are the types of things I usually say when I personally get mislynched as town, ESPECIALLY, the second quote.

Does anyone know what games AP has been mislynched in? I'd like to see what his reactions were then (granted, there might be a time gap/ meta change since then, but still)

Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

Nope.

But I think the random switch onto me at the end is a WIFOM attempt. He never posted a solid case but since he's still alive I guess we'll let him.

In post 1077, Amrun wrote:Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

Didn't someone make a similar comment about you earlier in the game?

In post 1079, Majiffy wrote:

In post 1077, Amrun wrote:Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

Didn't someone make a similar comment about you earlier in the game?

Was I mislynched in this game without my knowledge...?

I am not going to do any more meta research tonight. I already did a scum meta check it will have to wait until tomorrow

eta: if he was scum I would think he would unvote. scum come from a survivalist mindset and his lack of unvote and his subsequent giving up look like town to me. I know that when I am town I will just take the lynch if I am vt. it is a nightless game which I have played a couple of and the best thing to do if you are scum is to shut down and drop out of existence so that you do not implicate your team. <-----fucking scum 101 here. . and I am wondering about the peeps who are pushing him.

In post 1080, Amrun wrote:

In post 1079, Majiffy wrote:

In post 1077, Amrun wrote:Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

Didn't someone make a similar comment about you earlier in the game?

Was I mislynched in this game without my knowledge...?

About going from "being full of rage" to "suddenly losing" it.

Unvote why, mollie? What does the unvote have to do with anything? I unvoted instantly, he wasn't in any danger.

I think someone may have said that, but that never actually occurred. I don't even remember who said it, but I have not hit a point in this game of being full of rage. And if I had it would have been towards you and not at the time in question.

But for the sake of argument, let's say it was true. Let's say I was once full of rage and stopped being angry. The thing that precipitated that still wouldn't have been "being hammered as town" so it's still not relevant.

I feel like you two are both arguing about different events and assuming the other is talking about that same event.

@mollie/wisdom

In post 1084, Amrun wrote:I think someone may have said that, but that never actually occurred. I don't even remember who said it, but I have not hit a point in this game of being full of rage. And if I had it would have been towards you and not at the time in question.

But for the sake of argument, let's say it was true. Let's say I was once full of rage and stopped being angry. The thing that precipitated that still wouldn't have been "being hammered as town" so it's still not relevant.

Yes it is, because your point relies on his changing emotional state moreso than it does on the situational event.

And for what it's worth, I don't recall seeing AP in a "state of rage" whatsoever.

In post 1085, Majiffy wrote:I feel like you two are both arguing about different events and assuming the other is talking about that same event.

@mollie/wisdom

ok can mollie explain wtf shes talking about then?

In post 1086, Majiffy wrote:

In post 1084, Amrun wrote:I think someone may have said that, but that never actually occurred. I don't even remember who said it, but I have not hit a point in this game of being full of rage. And if I had it would have been towards you and not at the time in question.

But for the sake of argument, let's say it was true. Let's say I was once full of rage and stopped being angry. The thing that precipitated that still wouldn't have been "being hammered as town" so it's still not relevant.

Yes it is, because your point relies on his changing emotional state moreso than it does on the situational event.

And for what it's worth, I don't recall seeing AP in a "state of rage" whatsoever.

I didn't find his changing emotional state consistent with the events at hand or what I would expect of this particular player as town. Context always matters.

And you can completely delete that whole part of the argument if you would like be quad it doesn't matter that much. Disregarding all that came before, AP's behavior post "hammer" is not consistent with someone who really thought he'd been hammered as town.

Too much of a generalization. I have seen townies act the way AP did after being hammered on. Not everyone is indignant shouty angry rage at being mislynched, particularly when they know that a good portion of the playerlist has been scumreading them for a while and they have town reads on a number of said players.

At that point, the mindset is "Fuck, I really fucked this one up. Well, here, this is who I think you need to go after when you see I flip town: x"

Can anyone see a post by me regarding AP's Venmar vote because I pressed submit but idk where it went.

Nope.

Try the back button on your browser, sometimes it saves the information in the text box.

Majiffy which part of -he knew he was not hammered, he even tried to push a Venmar lynch- you don't understand?

Found it. Thanks Majiffy!

I think the Venmar vote after Venmar voted is very telling. Why would AP place a vote on someone if he thought he was hammered? And why wouldn't he vote me, since I'm apparently in my own scum tier.

But he actually had scum reads on me, venmar, and elyse, so ... That's most of them.

If my entire case rested on the laurels of his post hammer behavior, it wouldn't be a slam dunk case. It's speculation, and extrapolation on behavior. So when we have a different opinion about his behavior it's an impasse. Sure, I grant all of that.

But he STILL deflected every point against him without acknowledging that and it's STILL scummy.

And even though there are some situations in which it's possible that his post-lynch behavior comes from town, I still think its exceedingly more likely to come from scum. I think he knew he was hammered, and I think that makes him scum.

In post 1096, Amrun wrote:I think he knew he was hammered

You mean not hammered

Yes obviously.

Alright listen up.
I found the two games that AP was mislynched as town.
In one of them, someone did the same thing that happened here; a fake hammer/reaction test.
Read and see what AP's reaction was.