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In post 1066, Garuda wrote:Faraday, why don't you go scum read deez nuts

rekt

I'm actually find it really hard to scumhunt here. i'm not sure if it's mechanics throwing me off and mina asking me a bunch of questions i literally have no opinion because despite reviewing the past 2 marketplace games i find myself completely unable to think strategically here in a way that's not "uh we should probably lynch scum". I mean I don't really understand your voided vote because I think sure he has "bad" things but they don't look out of character, there's people I wasn't even aware were playing (banakai and guille?) and I just don't have any slam dunk scum reads and I feel like I'm basically a waste of space here as that's generally what I do and let mina focus on the mechanics but instead feel like a nerd. i mean i have town reads and that's fucking great and all but hey this guy is null let's lynch the fucker isn't good enough.

plz help by making a post with reasons that i can disagree with or something.

tia your good buddy faraday

In post 1074, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 1062, Lost Butterfly wrote:Hello Empire why are you not posting more walls of text I think you are scum empire this is a scum tell for you

hey fardy let's lynch nachopire

Empire looks pretty town plz come back with a more agreeable offer!

In post 1065, Lord Mhork wrote:

In post 1043, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 949, Lord Mhork wrote:My .02 is that Hermy was far from obvtown. I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

I also really don't get why Voided is getting so much hate. His posts have always been giving me the good feels.

VOTE: ProHawk

so it was a policy lynch from your perspective? (not judging; I just want to see if you'll admit it)

Nah not a policy lynch. But he didn't give off any strong player vibes he seemed to fold and fade away after pressure. We didn't lose a strong player with that lynch. We could have done much worse on a three day deadline.

I don't understand why you're voting ProHawk then.

In post 1072, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 1067, morph the cat wrote:Have you even posted prior to tonight? I figured you'd show up if and when you're ready to play and in the meanwhile Pyro = Tammy.

98% sure I have. 2% possible game overload.

In post 1067, morph the cat wrote:You know how I sort town. I'm a lot more cold-hearted about that sort process after the Diner game, because being town is not enough.

Oh, don't even bring up Titus. We're nothing like her, and you still have made no attempt to reach out to us this game. We raped the shit out of scum you in Chef, and we're a damn good team, and you know it. I'd have NEVER before this game thought to see you dismiss us as some sort of lolzy dipshit like some other people we've played with I could name. From the beginning, both you and Cabd have treated us like some sort of moronic innocent child. No reach outs (beyond a token Oh hai gaiz why you so dumb). I ask again, why are you treating us like this? Why have you made precisely zero attempt to work with us and change our minds, or even really figure out why we scumread who we do? You have, since you first started talking about us, intimated you think we're town but we're some kind of useless idiots.

I didn't really have Titus in mind. I was thinking more about ROFL in fact. Somebody I knew was town, knew I be able to get on the same page with, but quite simply couldn't.

There probably is something messed up here as far as townblocs go. The question is WHO?

YOU also are talking to two players who are good at townreading and good at forming townblocs and because we think your read on LB is shit that's a huge red flag, yes. And the solution is to vote us. Right? RIGHT?

Added onto all those other questions, perhaps the most relevant question of all:
If two players you know aren't shit at this game start throwing out complete batshit idiotic reads and fractures your townblock (which, according to you, is exactly what we've been doing),

why the fuck are you townreading us?

BECAUSE NACHO.

In post 1043, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 949, Lord Mhork wrote:My .02 is that Hermy was far from obvtown. I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

I also really don't get why Voided is getting so much hate. His posts have always been giving me the good feels.

VOTE: ProHawk

so it was a policy lynch from your perspective? (not judging; I just want to see if you'll admit it)

In post 1077, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 1065, Lord Mhork wrote:

In post 1043, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 949, Lord Mhork wrote:My .02 is that Hermy was far from obvtown. I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

I also really don't get why Voided is getting so much hate. His posts have always been giving me the good feels.

VOTE: ProHawk

so it was a policy lynch from your perspective? (not judging; I just want to see if you'll admit it)

Nah not a policy lynch. But he didn't give off any strong player vibes he seemed to fold and fade away after pressure. We didn't lose a strong player with that lynch. We could have done much worse on a three day deadline.

I don't understand why you're voting ProHawk then.

What do you mean?

In post 1078, morph the cat wrote:I didn't really have Titus in mind. I was thinking more about ROFL in fact. Somebody I knew was town, knew I

should

be able to get on the same page with, but quite simply couldn't.

Difference between there and here: we tried to talk to rofl. You haven't done shit to talk to me. Until like, 20 minutes ago. And boy howdy, look at all the shit talking in your ISO about us.

In post 1078, morph the cat wrote:YOU also are talking to two players who are good at townreading and good at forming townblocs and because we think your read on LB is shit that's a huge red flag, yes. And the solution is to vote us. Right? RIGHT?

Considering you've done fuckall to talk us into or out of our read on LB until tonight, yes.

In post 1078, morph the cat wrote:BECAUSE NACHO.

After all the time I've spent listening to you agonize in paranoia over whether or not Nacho is town, you suddenly are such an expert on reading him that you'll override a likely scumread to sheep him? Don't make me laugh. It normally takes you FOREVER to read Nacho. And even then, you second guess the shit out of it. Don't EVEN tell me you're so goddamn sure he's town after less than a Day you'll sheep him over your massive red flags. You'd have scumhunted the shit out of us. Which guess what? You haven't done.

In post 1075, Lost Butterfly wrote:

In post 1066, Garuda wrote:Faraday, why don't you go scum read deez nuts

rekt

I'm actually find it really hard to scumhunt here. i'm not sure if it's mechanics throwing me off and mina asking me a bunch of questions i literally have no opinion because despite reviewing the past 2 marketplace games i find myself completely unable to think strategically here in a way that's not "uh we should probably lynch scum". I mean I don't really understand your voided vote because I think sure he has "bad" things but they don't look out of character, there's people I wasn't even aware were playing (banakai and guille?) and I just don't have any slam dunk scum reads and I feel like I'm basically a waste of space here as that's generally what I do and let mina focus on the mechanics but instead feel like a nerd. i mean i have town reads and that's fucking great and all but hey this guy is null let's lynch the fucker isn't good enough.

plz help by making a post with reasons that i can disagree with or something.

tia your good buddy faraday

There's nothing to really understand about my Voided vote right now? It's literally a "hey I'm bad at this game let me park my vote here in the meantime so I could at least be somewhat productive with it while I go un-bad myself" kind of vote. I mean, I guess it's probably the fact that the last Day phase was so rushed that makes me feel crippled in my scumhunting right now but I'm being optimistic that we have two weeks to sort everything out and get some good reads going. And sorry, you're going to have to wait longer for the Big Post With Lots of Words 'til I feel I have a better grasp of this game.

Anyway, I'm heading to bed and probably won't be able to post tomorrow so you'll see more of me on Sunday.

And for what it's worth, I just ISO'd ProHawk again and I actually feel better about him than I did before so that's a start.

In post 1082, Garuda wrote:And for what it's worth, I just ISO'd ProHawk again and I actually feel better about him than I did before so that's a start.

Empire, why are you ignoring the shitfest going on right now?

In post 1080, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 1078, morph the cat wrote:I didn't really have Titus in mind. I was thinking more about ROFL in fact. Somebody I knew was town, knew I

should

be able to get on the same page with, but quite simply couldn't.

Difference between there and here: we tried to talk to rofl. You haven't done shit to talk to me. Until like, 20 minutes ago. And boy howdy, look at all the shit talking in your ISO about us.

Right. One question. Then a vote. And you expect sweetness and light?

In post 1078, morph the cat wrote:YOU also are talking to two players who are good at townreading and good at forming townblocs and because we think your read on LB is shit that's a huge red flag, yes. And the solution is to vote us. Right? RIGHT?

Considering you've done fuckall to talk us into or out of our read on LB until tonight, yes.

I'm still waiting for someone with 2 brain cells to rub together to LOOK AT LAST NIGHT'S AUCTION and show the slightest indication that they see what we see in that, and what it means about the stronger players in this game. Because that one piece of hard evidence is more persuasive than all the walls I will ever write in this game.

Hey, maybe you could be that somebody.

In post 1078, morph the cat wrote:BECAUSE NACHO.

After all the time I've spent listening to you agonize in paranoia over whether or not Nacho is town, you suddenly are such an expert on reading him that you'll override a likely scumread to sheep him? Don't make me laugh. It normally takes you FOREVER to read Nacho. And even then, you second guess the shit out of it. Don't EVEN tell me you're so goddamn sure he's town after less than a Day you'll sheep him over your massive red flags. You'd have scumhunted the shit out of us. Which guess what? You haven't done.

I angsted through day 1 of the cashcabd game, made my decision, and it all fell together from there.

Any angst i have about Nacho I'll work out with my partner. You're spared this time.

Because the last time I tried talking to your slot about a townread I had it didn't exactly work so I'm just letting you do your thing. Have fun.

In other news, I am talking to drunk-Nacho right now and he agrees with my townreads on LB / Pyro / ProHawk / morph (he's more confident on the last one than I am apparently) so that's good.

In post 1083, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 1082, Garuda wrote:And for what it's worth, I just ISO'd ProHawk again and I actually feel better about him than I did before so that's a start.

Empire, why are you ignoring the shitfest going on right now?

Who in their right mind would step into the middle of it?

In post 251, morph the cat wrote:Tammy, amend the day one part probably, but being on the other end of your.... unique.. method of yelling at me is pretty terrifying and seems to give you results? Chef mafia you guys mislynched me (worth it for the win tho) and I was scared as fuck of you in syr's hard boiled the entire time. I seem to remember getting major heat day one in that game, maybe not?

Also it was me who made that, ffery's been kinda in the back seat most of the evening so far.

Just to amend Syry's last post, this post is your slot's acknowledgment of at least this fragmenting player's ability to actually get correct scum reads. (Although this is a misattribution of us mislynching cabd because we were townreading him by that day, but I digress.) The fact is that even if you guys are completely disregarding the fact that you both hydra with Syry and should be able to talk with him, you have seen me in more than one game work pretty damn strongly for town and have correct reads. So it really makes no sense whatsoever that you go, oh you have dumb reads, and don't try to figure out why our reads are what they are or try to convince us that we're wrong. You've seen us in Chef, town read scum day one and turn around day two and change our minds. Ditto with scum reading town. The experience that both of you have with us, and especially me since you've to this point associated Pyro with Tammy is someone who is working with people and listening to their reads. So, I don't get for one second this:

morph wrote:You know how I sort town. I'm a lot more cold-hearted about that sort process after the Diner game, because being town is not enough.

Makes no sense that when we gave our reads that your response was just. "I. Is. Sad." That isn't even you sorting us or even trying. That's just going ah dumb. And maybe it doesn't make so much sense for Cabd as he has experience with me as scum and town, so maybe he hasn't seen how much I contemplate my reads, but for ffery this makes no sense. Ffery was with me in mafia.raptured and has seen me spend a lot of time contemplating my reads and discussing them, hell she saw me telling Syryana that he was wrong about his scum read on ffery when I was town reading her, so the brush off doesn't feel right and none of the ensuing discussion feels right. Especially when it's couched in "it's not enough that you're town" when both heads of this hydra are willing to discuss and amend our reads based on new information or a different point of view. Both of you know that, and neither of you were actually willing to try to work with us. If you didn't think we were town that would make sense, but your posts suggest otherwise so the dismissive attitude about our ability to work with town makes no sense at all.

In post 1084, morph the cat wrote:Right. One question. Then a vote. And you expect sweetness and light?

The time for sweetness and light vanished roundabouts the time you started slandering our character. Which, most curiously, happened way before your reach out. If one could call it such.

In post 1084, morph the cat wrote:I'm still waiting for someone with 2 brain cells to rub together to LOOK AT LAST NIGHT'S AUCTION and show the slightest indication that they see what we see in that, and what it means about the stronger players in this game. Because that one piece of hard evidence is more persuasive than all the walls I will ever write in this game.

Hey, maybe you could be that somebody.

Curious, how this fails to address just about anything I've said thus far. Why should I give a rat's fuck about game mechanics when you're right here, dodging every damn thing I say?

In post 1084, morph the cat wrote:I angsted through day 1 of the cashcabd game, made my decision, and it all fell together from there.

Any angst i have about Nacho I'll work out with my partner. You're spared this time.

So, cashcabd made you a Nacho expert? And all your paranoia vanished, just like that? In fact, show me a time where you EVER stopped scumhunting because someone told you someone else was town.

Actually, scratch that. Nacho never called us town before you made your lovely "oh they're clearly village idiot town" post. In fact, neither you nor Nacho ever had ANY indication of EVER scumreading us. Both you and he have made comments to the effect of "Pyro is dumb" and "holy fuck recalibrate Syr's scumdar". In fact, the only person that mentioned a townread on us from that slot was Empire, who posted it long before Nacho ever even posted in thread. The only thing Nacho posted w.r.t. us is that we had "crazy town ideas" and that we seemed "abnormally pessimistic".

So guess what? Your whole "I'm disregarding my red flags because Nacho's town as fuck and says you're town" is a crock of shit. What's your next excuse?

In post 1087, morph the cat wrote:Who in their right mind would step into the middle of it?

I dunno, town trying to stop two townreads fighting with each other seems like a good bet.

In post 1076, Lost Butterfly wrote:

In post 1074, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 1062, Lost Butterfly wrote:Hello Empire why are you not posting more walls of text I think you are scum empire this is a scum tell for you

hey fardy let's lynch nachopire

Empire looks pretty town plz come back with a more agreeable offer!

I'll admit I can't really read Empire well, but he's not the obvtown he can sometimes be. I feel like I can read Nacho alright, though, and he is scum.

Hey, Tammy, remember when I townread Lost Butterfly and you just completely ignored said read and didn't even bother to ask me about why I was reading them as town or anything of the sort despite my repeated insistence of it? Because I sure do and man did that own.

In post 1079, Lord Mhork wrote:

In post 1043, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 949, Lord Mhork wrote:My .02 is that Hermy was far from obvtown. I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

I also really don't get why Voided is getting so much hate. His posts have always been giving me the good feels.

VOTE: ProHawk

so it was a policy lynch from your perspective? (not judging; I just want to see if you'll admit it)

In post 1077, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 1065, Lord Mhork wrote:

In post 1043, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 949, Lord Mhork wrote:My .02 is that Hermy was far from obvtown. I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

I also really don't get why Voided is getting so much hate. His posts have always been giving me the good feels.

VOTE: ProHawk

so it was a policy lynch from your perspective? (not judging; I just want to see if you'll admit it)

Nah not a policy lynch. But he didn't give off any strong player vibes he seemed to fold and fade away after pressure. We didn't lose a strong player with that lynch. We could have done much worse on a three day deadline.

I don't understand why you're voting ProHawk then.

What do you mean?

I mean that your vote on ProHawk confuses me.

Im only up to page 5. Would someone just be kind enough to recap? This might take a while

Though I will say this. Exactly what motivation does scum have in claiming they toom Investigation Immunity to keep it "away from scum"? Wouldnt it be easier to just shut up and not say anything as scum? LB is probs town for that imo.

In post 1091, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:I'll admit I can't really read Empire well, but he's not the obvtown he can sometimes be. I feel like I can read Nacho alright, though, and he is scum.

Well, you're not really very good at reading Nacho, then. I actually have a good track record of it and I'm fairly confident he's town in this game so you should sheep that.

In post 1088, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 251, morph the cat wrote:Tammy, amend the day one part probably, but being on the other end of your.... unique.. method of yelling at me is pretty terrifying and seems to give you results? Chef mafia you guys mislynched me (worth it for the win tho) and I was scared as fuck of you in syr's hard boiled the entire time. I seem to remember getting major heat day one in that game, maybe not?

Also it was me who made that, ffery's been kinda in the back seat most of the evening so far.

Just to amend Syry's last post, this post is your slot's acknowledgment of at least this fragmenting player's ability to actually get correct scum reads. (Although this is a misattribution of us mislynching cabd because we were townreading him by that day, but I digress.) The fact is that even if you guys are completely disregarding the fact that you both hydra with Syry and should be able to talk with him, you have seen me in more than one game work pretty damn strongly for town and have correct reads. So it really makes no sense whatsoever that you go, oh you have dumb reads, and don't try to figure out why our reads are what they are or try to convince us that we're wrong. You've seen us in Chef, town read scum day one and turn around day two and change our minds. Ditto with scum reading town. The experience that both of you have with us, and especially me since you've to this point associated Pyro with Tammy is someone who is working with people and listening to their reads. So, I don't get for one second this:

morph wrote:You know how I sort town. I'm a lot more cold-hearted about that sort process after the Diner game, because being town is not enough.

Makes no sense that when we gave our reads that your response was just. "I. Is. Sad." That isn't even you sorting us or even trying. That's just going ah dumb. And maybe it doesn't make so much sense for Cabd as he has experience with me as scum and town, so maybe he hasn't seen how much I contemplate my reads, but for ffery this makes no sense. Ffery was with me in mafia.raptured and has seen me spend a lot of time contemplating my reads and discussing them, hell she saw me telling Syryana that he was wrong about his scum read on ffery when I was town reading her, so the brush off doesn't feel right and none of the ensuing discussion feels right. Especially when it's couched in "it's not enough that you're town" when both heads of this hydra are willing to discuss and amend our reads based on new information or a different point of view. Both of you know that, and neither of you were actually willing to try to work with us. If you didn't think we were town that would make sense, but your posts suggest otherwise so the dismissive attitude about our ability to work with town makes no sense at all.

Tammy, when I have strong reads, I trust them. And I assume you're the same way and that confidence we both have is at the heart of this disagreement.

I have a strong town read of LB and your arguments with Faraday and Mina looked just so wrongheaded that I couldn't wrap my head around where you're coming from. The MS gambiting culture is foreign to me, and I'll probably never speak it fluently. But, even I can usually figure out the probable motivation behind a lot of the gambits I see here.

It's not one player saying whoa. It's web of players disagreeing with you on different reads. There's some non-zero chance that we're all scum messing with your head, I guess. But, I wouldn't assume that's the case. Personally, I'd be trying to figure out if there's something in my town reads that has thrown me off. Because sometimes it happens.

In post 1094, DoctorPepper wrote:Though I will say this. Exactly what motivation does scum have in claiming they toom Investigation Immunity to keep it "away from scum"? Wouldnt it be easier to just shut up and not say anything as scum? LB is probs town for that imo.

Are you enjoying the game so far?

Wtf is with you people.

I pass out and wake up to four pages.

And its all shit flinging useless words.

Fferyllt's not acting natural--actually have half a mind to think its cabd pretending to be ffery. But Tammy/Syr isn't either. I hate everyone talking except Nford.

I'm going to be quite frank, I was planning to make an effort today. But, truthfully, I don't want anything to possibly do with this game. It so inbred and hatefilled I'm not having a lick of fun even reading it. I'm not abandoning my hydra partner, though, so I'm stuck here. No one wants to have fun all just bitchbitchbitch, ugh. Actually giving me a headache more so than I already have.

I'm probably going to regret this post when I come down off the vicodin high but whatever. Y'all can burn in hell. When you guys finish "sorting each other out"(a phrase that needs to die) come get me so we can actually play this game and kill people.

PEdit: Jesus Christ I've tried to submit three times and there's like seven more posts each time.

Tammy, when you're done pretending to Tammtrum, I want to know why you stopped talking about the Neighborizer.