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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:20 am

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Porochaz (1) -- YvonneSeer
YvonneSeer (1) -- Porochaz
eldarad (1) -- Ether

Not voting: eldarad, scotmany12, Yosarian2
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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:49 am

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eldarad wrote: Then, following JDodge's claiming who he protected, Lulubelle speculated on the absence of a weak doc. Maybe she was testing the waters for her claim, and then backed down once JD jumped down her throat after her next post?
What, exactally, makes you think she was about to claim weak doc? All she said was that she didn't like all the weak doc discussion, that she had a reason it'd be better for the weak doc to just stay hidden, and that she didn't want to explain that reason right away. That dosn't really make any sense as a weak doc claim (as, why would a weak doc at like that?), and the whole idea is silly anyway. I mean, why would scum want to claim weak doc, a role that they would have KNOWN was in the game? Claiming a power role, in a situation where a scum would KNOW they would be counterclaimed, AND in a situation where she was in absolutly no danger at the time, would be a completly nonsensical play.

Your whole theory makes very little sense; there's no reason to think she was planning to claim weak doc, and there's no reason a scum in that position would want to claim weak doc in any case.
scot, erm OK. I admit I missed that.
Here's the thing though. He never said he was wrong about Lulu, just that other people were scummier.
(shrug) Well, he said that he thought he overreacted to Lulu's posts.
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:12 am

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Post 1074, Eldarad wrote:Ether, are you going to explain your vote? Or not?
Some combination of Jordan's lurking and never coming under any sort of fire or bothering Gorrad or Setael, his Chazvote, your Chazvote, the way you put Setael at -1 instead of answering Yosarian's question, and the doubt you tried to cast on Porochaz today.

Some of that was also committed by Ever, who's my number two at this point. But not all of it, and JDodge did at least mention it was sort of in-character.
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:05 am

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Ether wrote:Some combination of Jordan's lurking
Hmm. Maybe he ought to be replaced...
and never coming under any sort of fire
that's not really my fault though, is it? And an absence of fire is probably linked to his absence of content. But then someone *should* have attacked that if it bothered them.
or bothering Gorrad or Setael,
is this linked to his lurking, by any chance?
his Chazvote, your Chazvote,
OK, this I can buy into. But the only difference is that we don't agree on Poroscum.
the way you put Setael at -1 instead of answering Yosarian's question,
You mean this one
Yosarian wrote:That's a pretty unlikely scenerio. Assume Setael is scum, which she pretty obveously is. Who's her scum partner likely to be?
As I said, there's not much point having that discussion when we're not certain of Setael's alignment. We have have a much more productive discussion today now that we *know* Setael's alignment. And you notice that I answered Yos' question in my first post today.
and the doubt you tried to cast on Porochaz today.
So your issue isn't so much that I didn't answer Yos' question, more like you didn't like my answer?
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:20 am

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Porochaz wrote:Ok Im ill and dont really have time to go into a great detailed post about you considering I also have an exam tomorrow... Try posts 5, 18, 19, 23, 40 and 45 when youve searched my name up Oldest First for a case, I recommend reading more than that though as there are some other posts where Im talking to Mizzy (or whoever and I put you down in the scum 3some... Also for someone who made quite an impact earlier on as soon as people lay of you disappear slightly. Thats the best I can do. Now Im either going away to be sick or just have a very sicky cough. Thank you
I'm not going to read back and look for your case because I've considered all along that you didn't have one against me. So, I'll just wait for you to present it.

And the scumgroup you put me in was with Lulu or pre-claim Mizzy or whoever it was. You never put me as scum with either Gorrad or Setael. Do you honestly think that I'm in a scumgroup with those two? If so, back your case with some evidence.
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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:33 am

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YvonneSeer wrote:
Porochaz wrote:Ok Im ill and dont really have time to go into a great detailed post about you considering I also have an exam tomorrow... Try posts 5, 18, 19, 23, 40 and 45 when youve searched my name up Oldest First for a case, I recommend reading more than that though as there are some other posts where Im talking to Mizzy (or whoever and I put you down in the scum 3some... Also for someone who made quite an impact earlier on as soon as people lay of you disappear slightly. Thats the best I can do. Now Im either going away to be sick or just have a very sicky cough. Thank you
I'm not going to read back and look for your case because I've considered all along that you didn't have one against me. So, I'll just wait for you to present it.

And the scumgroup you put me in was with Lulu or pre-claim Mizzy or whoever it was. You never put me as scum with either Gorrad or Setael. Do you honestly think that I'm in a scumgroup with those two? If so, back your case with some evidence.
Well, Ive given you the post numbers and as Ive said in the V/LA thread im on LA until I get better, Ive given you the post numbers, Im not rehashing it. You have your evidence, now you choose to look at it or don't. However dont pin it on me saying I have no case on you when Ive given you everything you have asked for short of actually retyping it out for you. So wait all you like, Im spending my short time on here doing more constructive things.

The scumgroup I initially put you down for was a Yvonne-Mizzy-Lulu combo. However I did also say, I believe that no matter what scum trio I think of, I can't think of you being elsewhere... granted I didn't think Setael was scum at all until the events that caused me to vote for her... not looking back through the thread currently, I will once my exams are over, I don't believe there is any substantial evidence suggesting that you/Setael or you/gorrad couldn't be linked. I mean correct me if Im wrong... use post numbers if you like, because I WILL look at the evidence...
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:02 am

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Porochaz wrote:Well, Ive given you the post numbers and as Ive said in the V/LA thread im on LA until I get better, Ive given you the post numbers, Im not rehashing it. You have your evidence, now you choose to look at it or don't. However dont pin it on me saying I have no case on you when Ive given you everything you have asked for short of actually retyping it out for you. So wait all you like, Im spending my short time on here doing more constructive things.
Sorry for being incompetent at searching for posts when it would be much easier if you just write a paragraph or two. But I see you'd rather write a paragraph or two about why you won't present your case instead of actually writing the case. If you had a decent, solid case, you would have no trouble rewriting it in a brief but concise manner within no time at all. But you don't, because you have to rethink all the points and evidence that you made up to try and get me lynched.
Porochaz wrote:The scumgroup I initially put you down for was a Yvonne-Mizzy-Lulu combo. However I did also say, I believe that no matter what scum trio I think of, I can't think of you being elsewhere... granted I didn't think Setael was scum at all until the events that caused me to vote for her... not looking back through the thread currently, I will once my exams are over, I don't believe there is any substantial evidence suggesting that you/Setael or you/gorrad couldn't be linked. I mean correct me if Im wrong... use post numbers if you like, because I WILL look at the evidence...
I'm scum to you, no matter who turns out to be scum? So you think my scum partners tried to lynch me throughout D1, didn't happen so they tried again D2, didn't happen again, only then did they try to lynch Porochaztown instead?
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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:08 am

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Ether wrote:
Post 1069, YvonneSeer wrote:
Post 1067, Ether wrote:I don't think it is.
Why do you think he's a townie?
1037.
Well, I don't agree with Yosarian2.

Let me show you why I think Porochaz is scum. Take a look at their voting patterns in the votecount.

Votecount Page 28

Gorrad (2) -- YvonneSeer, Bookitty
YvonneSeer (3) --
Gorrad
, Porochaz,
Setael

Porochaz (3) -- scotmany12, Lulubelle, Mizzy
Setael (1) -- Ether
Lulubelle (1) -- JDodge

Votecount Page 30

YvonneSeer (4) --
Gorrad
, Porochaz,
Setael
, JDodge
Porochaz (5) -- scotmany12, Mizzy, Bookitty, YvonneSeer, JordanA24
Setael (1) -- Ether

Votecount Page 35

YvonneSeer (3) --
Gorrad
, Porochaz,
Setael

Porochaz (4) -- scotmany12, YvonneSeer, JordanA24, JDodge
Setael (1) -- Ether
Lulubelle (1) -- Bookitty

Why didn't Gorrad or Setael get Porochaz lynched if he was supposedly a townie?

Over and over again, the three of them had barely acknowledged each other's actions and saying things like "Yes, I can see a link between so and so but I'd sooner lynch Yvonne first" or "Yes, so and so seems a little scummy but Yvonne is much scummier". As you can see from the votecount above, for that period of time, the lynch was either me or Porochaz but Gorrad and Setael drew the day longer and longer and held off voting Porochaz until they saw they had no chance of getting me lynched so they opted to bus Porochaz out. And it would have worked too, if not for the case against Gorrad being brought back up which subsequently led to his lynch.

Back in D2, I was sure of Gorrad and Porochaz as scum and they were both on my wagon. Setael didn't look very townish either but I figured it was highly unlikely that a scumgroup would expose themselves so obviously on a wagon. But Setael turned out to be scum and this obvious scumgroup thing may not be so unlikely after all.
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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:15 am

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Aw Boohoo... your upset because I thought you were scum... and oh let me think... Setael WAS on my wagon, Gorrad WAS on my wagon... they didnt get me lynched BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE WAGON... I write things that are contributing to the PRESENT conversation moving FORWARD instead of going back and rehashing things in the past... I am happy to help you but go fucking look for yourself, I have given you all you need now stop being so damn stubborn! In case you havent noticed I was voting Setael for along time in Day 2 whilst consistently complaing about Gorrad as well... They didnt hold off voting for me that is a pile of bollocks.

I must be great at being scum, I mean looking scummy from quite early on, then hammering both my two scum partners, who managed to hide better than me... the thing about your wagon is obviously a pile of crap. Your taking selected bits of information and making them into some deformed statue that looks a cross between Osama bin Laden and a hippo taking a dump.

Also did you completely ignore Ether, Im just wondering because you completely ignored her post...

Also are you looking at other alternatives, lets take me and you out of the equation, who would you suspect after me? What do you think of Eldarad? and Yosarian2, considering your prior relationship to Lulubelle earlier on? Do you feel there may of been possible buddying there?

Now I've given you plenty to move this conversation forward, it is up to you now whether you go and actually look at the posts Ive given you to search and see why Im voting you, or you look at the others, or you just carry on picking stuff out randomly and try and make a shit case against me or we could try and have a proper conversaion, maybe with some of the other players that might actually lead us to a conclusion. The choice is yours.
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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:20 pm

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Hey, I'm going to sit down this weekend and try to reread and see what is up with this game. If anything goes good I might actually attempt to make a case against elderad.
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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:00 am

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Eldarad, I'll respond to that later in a post that isn't too awesome to be marred by quote tags. In the meantime, neither you nor Ever have gained any stock.

Anyway--I didn't get around to posting this on Gimmick Day, sorry.

Please, Chaz, Yvonne, stop fighting
This OMGUS suits you not
It's caught you in a mindless spat
And what the hell is up with that?

Chaz, note the voting records
It's clear Yvonne's not scum
I'll say in the politest sense--your vote is pretty dumb.
(dumb, dumb)

Yvonne, those counts mean little
There wasn't much at stake
It's cake to wait, the last I checked
Your lynch can't hurt the scum--correct?

And
when
we wagoned Gorrad
That Chazcount took a climb
Again, no disrespect, but damn, your vote's a waste of time
(time, time)

As early as tomorrow,
I'll be a kitchenee
I'm scared that this distraction's gonna reach the final three!
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
LOUDER
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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:55 am

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Is there a tune to go along with that?
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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:35 am

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Yes, but I don't have a microphone, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

Why are you still voting Yvonne?
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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:45 am

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Because Im not sure whos going to replace Yvonne at the top of the scum list...
unvote

I hate to say it but Ethers right. Yvonnes not the one to go for... however I am still happy with 1082. Partly because Im stubborn and partly because I amazed myself with the metaphor in there and partly because it'll hopefully get me and Yvonne into a better thinking mode.

Also someone needs to get Ether a microphone...
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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:53 pm

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Eldarad and Scotmany are good bets.

To Eldarad's 1078: I acknowledge that the "no one attacked Jordan because he was lurking; that's only
one
strike" bit is fair. The rest of his defenses don't really sway me.
Post 1078, Eldarad wrote:As I said, there's not much point having that discussion when we're not certain of Setael's alignment. We have have a much more productive discussion today now that we *know* Setael's alignment.
We already knew it.
Post 1078, Eldarad wrote:So your issue isn't so much that I didn't answer Yos' question, more like you didn't like my answer?
My issue is both.
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It fills my head up and gets louder and
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:18 pm

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I have just gone through a majot upheaval in my life and I dont know if Im going to be a round much the next few days... please excuse me, I will be back asap, hopefully monday/tuesday... in the mean time I wont vote anyone in the hope I can get a reread done when I get back...

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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:54 am

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Ether wrote:
eldarad wrote:As I said, there's not much point having that discussion when we're not certain of Setael's alignment. We have have a much more productive discussion today now that we *know* Setael's alignment.
We already knew it.
Ether, no we didn't (
Yes we did. No we didn't. etc
)
We just thought we knew it. We were pretty damn sure, but why speculate when you can know? What did we lose by ending the day?
Ether wrote:My issue is both.
How is your issue "both"?
I did answer Yos' question. So why are you unhappy that I didn't answer the question?
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:15 pm

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We lost Mizzy.

I think you were stalling.
Post 1016, Eldarad wrote:Setael is clearly the play for today. We may as well wait to see if she has anything to say for herself before lynching her. I'll not push her to L-1 because we don't want her to self-hammer before we're ready.
That's what you said at the beginning of Day 3. The last sentence implies that you wanted to find her scumbuddy before we could go to night. But you did put her at -1, just when Yosarian asked about your opinion.

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It fills my head up and gets louder and
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:03 pm

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So, I didn't get to actually read through and stuff. Crap actually came up over the weekend. I plan on getting caught up in my games tomorrow. This will most likely be my top priority.
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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:57 pm

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People still alive:

3) YvonneSeer
4) Yosarian2 (replacing Lulubelle who replaced thedragonsprincess)
5) eldarad (replacing JordanA24)
7) Porochaz
11) scotmany12
12) Ether

People I think are town:
YvonneSeer (She was fighting with Gorrad too much, not likely to be scum with him I don't think. Possible, but unlikely)
Porochaz (I explained this yesterday)
Ether

So, from my point of view, that leaves either scotmany12 or eldarad as likely to be the last scum. I'll re-read both when I get a chance, and I want to hear that analysis ASAP, scot.
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:00 am

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Ok Yvonne, can you tell me who you think is most to least scummy, possibly giving reasons... I will be doing the same.
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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:01 am

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unvote


If Prozac here turns out to be scum just like I said, I'm gonna be awfully angry. Call me stupid or stubborn, but I still think he's scum.

I guess if I have to put Porochaz aside for the moment, it would be either eldarad or scot, more likely to be eldarad. It could be Yosarian but I think it is not very likely, considering he revived the case against Gorrad to get him lynched. To be honest, I haven't actually been considering anyone but Porochaz to be scum, so I'll need to read up on the cases against any others.
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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:10 am

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Ether wrote:I think you were stalling.
I don't understand. What was I stalling
for
? How does putting off the discussion for a day harm the town? How does it benefit the scum?
I don't think it harmed the town at all.

My whole point was that discussion today would be more productive than discussion yesterday, since there is one less assumption we have to make.
Ether wrote:What changed?
At the start of the day, things were being said.
Then, there was two posts in 48 hours. We'd finished talking.

And now, we can talk about who we think is Setael's scumbuddy because we know she was scum.
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:56 am

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Ok, so I'm viewing Yos as town. He successfully came into the game and lead a lynch on scum Gorrad. If he was scum he could have just as easily went after chaz. Note: Both of them could not have been scum, so it could not have been a simple choice of either/or for yos.

Now, I'm reading over Yos's post about chaz/set:
Yosarian2 wrote:
Ether wrote:Please elaborate. (I keep waffling on Porochaz and his interactions with Setael. I'd be at his throat, but with the encryptor, I'm just confused.)
Sure. I got the very strong impression that Setael was trying to get Porochaz lynched yesterday in order to protect Gorrad.
For example, right after I replaced in and put together a quite detailed and strong attack against Gorrad, her response was this:
Setael wrote:I feel like someone(s) are distracting from the Porochaz wagon. I've looked over the last several days and see no reason for him to be wiggling out of this lynch. If Porochaz isn't lynched today, I'm not going to trust him all game.

I'm also feeling better about Yvonne and worse about Lulu/Yos2.

unvote, vote: Porochaz
This was the post I kept coming back to yesterday; it really felt like she was attacking me because I attacked Gorrad, trying to imply that everything else was just a "distraction" for the Porochaz wagon, and voting Porochaz. This was the point when I was starting to wonder if Setael and Gorrad were scum together, and if she was trying to protect him by pushing the Porochaz wagon instead.

Then, later in the day, when it was becoming more and more obveous Gorrad was going to be lynched, Seatal was trying harder and harder to link Gorrad and Porochez together; makes me thing that she knew Gorrad was scum, and wanted to make Porochez look bad after Gorrad got lynched.

SHe was really going back and fourth all day between defending Gorrad and trying to link Gorrad and Porochez together. For example, in this post, she strangly tries to do both at once:

Setael wrote:I have a hard time believing that scum would hammer the cop the way gorrad did, since scum would know skitzer was about to come up cop and would therefore know how bad that would look. The link between Gorrad and Porochaz is clear and I actually think there’s a good chance they’re both scum, especially after this post where it’s odd that he’d vote me (with no reason other than my suspicion of him) over Gorrad who is his main competing wagon.
Porochaz wrote:I feel suspicous... and unloved...
vote Setael
I could easily vote for Gorrad as well for the same reasons, or Yvonne because Im never going to let this go... I do have a 5 page reread to do if Im allowed, but meh if Im not...
I guess it could go the other way as well - if chaz is scum and knows Gorrad is going to come up town, Porochaz would want to stay off the Gorrad wagon if he thinks Gorrad could get lynched without his help, which seems likely. Either way I think chaz is scum and as I said, the whole gorrad wagon feels like distraction from a porochaz lynch.
Then she goes back to attacking me because I was attacking Gorrad, and trying to imply that the whole Gorrad wagon was just an attempt to distract from the Porochez wagon:
Setael wrote:
Yos wrote:If you think that, Setael, then why, exactally, did you say you are "more suspicious" of me now after my analyis where I came to that very conclusion you're now agreeing with?
Can you clarify this? I'm not sure what you mean. I am suspicious of you because, looking back, if scum tried to distract from a Porochaz lynch by turning the attention to Gorrad, you are one of the main contenders.

And then, finally, she goes back to implying that the two of them are linked, while giving an excuse why she dosn't want to hammer Gorrad herself.
Setael wrote:Porochaz is active on the site and appears to be posting everywhere but here. The only reason I can think he would be unwilling to hammer Gorrad is if they are scum together, which would also explain his OMGUS vote on me. Since they're likely both scum, I'm with scotmany on being willing to hammer, but I'd rather see Porochaz do it.
So, I'm pretty sure that if Setael is scum, Porochaz is town; she was trying way too hard to either get him lynched in order to proect Gorrad or, failing that, to link him and Gorrad together in such a way that a Gorrad lynch would make Porochaz look bad.
Overall, I agree with it quite a lot. Set went out of her way to make it seem like there was a connection between chaz and gorrad. She knew that Gorrad would come up scum, so she was attempting to set up chaz for the next day. Unfortunately, the encryptor really puts some doubt in my mind with this whole situation. It would be a tough gambit to pull of though, so I wouldn't be on it.

Now that leaves YS and Elderad. Now while YS has done some questionable things this game, I never really viewed her as that scummy. More as misguided during day 1, and day 2 she came right out and went for Gorrad's throat. There is nothing really that jumps out at me from her. I haven't really viewed her as helpful or scummy. She is just there for me.

So now I start to try and build a case against Elderad. Looking through Jordan, he avoids Gorrad and Set almost completely. Basically, Jordan didn't do much. I actually had him as the weak doc due to him really staying under the radar. Looking over his posts he avoids both Set and Chaz alot until right before he is replaced.This one post really gets to me.
JordanA24 wrote:I cannot ignore the fact that Chaz seemingly forgot that he claimed townie, to me, that almost confirms he's lying in my eyes.
JDodge wrote:
Unvote, vote: Gorrad


I love the way Yos attacks you and suddenly you want the day to end RIGHTNOW
QFT. I don't think Gorrad would be too bad a lynch tomorrow looking at this and some of the things Yos pointed out.

Chaz's vote against Set seemed a bit hasty to me, it was a smallish piece of evidence in a game where tbh a lot of people are acting pretty scummy. I find it very odd how as soon as Ether points out a possible Chaz/Set pairing, Set votes for Chaz, but even odder that Chaz points out this, and then votes for Set, so now
both
the players that were linked are now voting for eachother.
I think there is a distinct difference here between what Jordan does and what say me/jd did. Both me and jd were willing to lynch either chaz or Gorrad(jd flipped between the two a couple of times). Jordan, however, wants to save Gorrad for tomorrow. It just does not sit right with me. Scum trying to give the GF at least another night perhaps.

Concering Elderad, his long post is mostly restating what has allready happened. Appearing that he is helpful when really not posting much opinion at all. Then he has the audacity to attack Mizzy even though she is basically confirmed.
eldarad wrote:
Mizzy


You're very lucky you got a confirmable role. I suppose it may be a confirmed townie having a bit of fun before claiming, but each post you made on Day 2 until your claim looked scummier than the last.

LuluBelle / JDodge


It hasn't been said yet, and I wonder why.
One of these two are lying.
JDodge wrote:You realize what I know.

NOTE TO EVERYONE
: I just headed off that fakeclaim before it happened. Please note that Lulu knows more than she should, but has admitted to not being a weak doc. That implies knowledge she could not have unless she already knows who the weak doc's target is.
The exchange between LuluBelle and JDodge suggests that LuluBelle has some knowledge of who the weak doc targeted. But it also indicates that JD also has some knowledge of the weak doc's actions, or else he wouldn't have been able to lock Lulu out of the half-claim that she started to make.
Let's follow this train of thought shall we?
JD and Lulu both have some knowledge of the weak doc's night action.
Only one of them can be the weak doc.
Therefore, one of them is mafia.
Therefore,
the mafia already know who the weak doc is.

Therefore,
Bookitty wrote:Okay, so the advantage of JDodge's plan over mine,
assuming the scum haven't spotted the weak doc
, is that they can't be certain of which player is actually being targetted, so they can't no kill if it turns out to be scum.
this plan is broken.
That was not the time to criticize Mizzy. Now his stance on using the weak doc as an investigative role is interesting. Just reading it, it appears the he is just concerned that the weak doc has already been discovered, thus breaking the plan. Appears protown. Or you can view it as scum not wanting this plan to occur. Simple as that; scum don't know the weakdoc, and it would be beneficial for them if the town does not follow through with the plan.

Over the past through days, he had really peaked my scumdar. I really dislike his attack on Yos, and it all stems from what appears to be a misunderstanding between jd and lulu. Now if what Elderad says is true about that whole situation, Lulu would have discovered that jd is the doc. Now there were two kills after Gorrad was lynched. If they knew that jd was the weak doc(we discussed this) they would have no killed, thus putting doubt in my mind. This did not happen, thus I can assume it was just a misunderstanding between JD and Lulu.

Overall, through process of elimination, what I have stated, and what others have stated, elderad is at the top of my list. He just seems to be the most likely to be scum, so I will
Vote: Elderad
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:00 am

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scotmany wrote:He successfully came into the game and lead a lynch on scum Gorrad. If he was scum he could have just as easily went after chaz. Note: Both of them could not have been scum, so it could not have been a simple choice of either/or for yos.
What makes you say that? Because it sounds like you are clearing Porochaz there.
scotmany wrote:So now I start to try and build a case against Elderad. Looking through Jordan, he avoids Gorrad and Set almost completely. Basically, Jordan didn't do much. I actually had him as the weak doc due to him really staying under the radar. Looking over his posts he avoids both Set and Chaz alot until right before he is replaced.
I already addressed this when Ether mentioned it. Jordan didn't do much of anything. That's why he was replaced. Saying that Jordan avoids Setael and Gorrad is only true because Jordan avoided everyone by simply not posting.
Why have you only brought this up now? Why didn't you mention it at the time? For example, I don't recall you asking the mod to prod Jordan.
scot wrote:I think there is a distinct difference here between what Jordan does and what say me/jd did. Both me and jd were willing to lynch either chaz or Gorrad(jd flipped between the two a couple of times). Jordan, however, wants to save Gorrad for tomorrow. It just does not sit right with me. Scum trying to give the GF at least another night perhaps.
I'm not seeing a distinct difference, to be honest. Mentioning how JD flipped between Porochaz and Gorrad doesn't really reflect on how you behaved. Although you have tried to link yourself to JD here, which is interesting.
Why do you think scum would try to specifically allow the GF to survive, when the cop is dead and we don't have a vig?
scot wrote:Concering Elderad, his long post is mostly restating what has allready happened. Appearing that he is helpful when really not posting much opinion at all.
True, I guess. But then I have never replaced into a game 40 pages in before, and I had spent 36 hours reading the thread, so I posted the notes that I had made. You'll notice I posted some "readable thoughts" soon after, in which I posted my opinions in a more readable format. Although I think my first post had enough opinion in it for this attack to be unfair. (I'd actually quite like your comments after the game when alignments won't get in the way)
scot wrote:Then he has the audacity to attack Mizzy even though she is basically confirmed.
Erm, I posted 2 lines saying how she was lucky she had a confirmable role. And I left it at that.
Do you disagree with what I said about Mizzy?
scot wrote:Over the past through days, he had really peaked my scumdar. I really dislike his attack on Yos, and it all stems from what appears to be a misunderstanding between jd and lulu. Now if what Elderad says is true about that whole situation, Lulu would have discovered that jd is the doc. Now there were two kills after Gorrad was lynched. If they knew that jd was the weak doc(we discussed this) they would have no killed, thus putting doubt in my mind. This did not happen, thus I can assume it was just a misunderstanding between JD and Lulu.
This makes no sense.
The scum went after Bookitty, someone who they knew couldn't have been the weak doc. So they chose to kill someone who they *knew* wasn't a weak doc, rather than kill JD who had virtually outed himself.
I don't see how this shows that there was a misunderstanding at all.
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