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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:35 am

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mikeburnfire wrote:Also, it's a role that can't be proven.
No protection role can in the absence of a vig. I don't see how this changes anything.
However, it is significantly more suspicious.

Serial Killer doesn't have a buddy. That's why it is a KILLER (notice no s). Furthermore, our serial killer is and arsonist. The burn stuff down, not shoot things with golden bullets. Meanwhile, our scum's ability is to shoot. Again, there's a distinction from golden bullets. So, that leaves us with an undisputed vig claim and no dead vigs (or vig-like roles) yet we have a vig kill. Is it so hard to believe that I am town?

As for MBF's ability I think it might have had a similar effect on mars. He claimed that he got sobered which sounds about what happened to Mirth.
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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:27 am

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Stop trying to force the believability of your claim on people, please. It isn't doing anything for your image.
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:58 pm

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Right now I see it as I'm town. MBF is AA and probably town. Then we have mirth cb and soupfly. Of those 3, 2 are probably scum. If we can/could clear one more person then town basically wins. So what's the problem of trying to enforce that I am town? Do you have any reason to think why I am not town?
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:30 am

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Right now I see it as I'm town. MBF is AA and probably town. Then we have mirth aioqwe and soupfly. Of those 3, 2 are probably scum. If we can/could clear one more person then town basically wins. So what's the problem of trying to enforce that I am town? Do you have any reason to think why I am not town?








Do you see how pointless such a post is? How can you not see yet why endless repetitions of "I'M TOWN, OKAY? LOOK AT THESE OTHER SUSPICIOUS GUYS BECAUSE I AM TOWN." don't hold any weight?
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:05 am

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Cyberbob, I admit that aioqui is being very suspicious. He's trying hard to enforce that he's town. But the fact is that he has claimed to have killed mathcam, the scum mason, and nobody else has claimed to have fired the golden bullet. With the serial killer already dead, this gives him a GOOD alibi.

You, however, have a claim that is weak, unprovable, and easy to claim as scum. Also, Soupfly has a guilty result on you, and while the theme of the game is that our judgment is skewed, only the masonries have been proven to be tainted. I would feel much better lynching you than anybody else right now.

I would like Soupfly to be prodded, mod.
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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:20 am

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mikeburnfire wrote:Cyberbob, I admit that aioqui is being very suspicious. He's trying hard to enforce that he's town. But the fact is that he has claimed to have killed mathcam, the scum mason, and nobody else has claimed to have fired the golden bullet. With the serial killer already dead, this gives him a GOOD alibi.
Yes, and I'm not disputing that (though I would like to stress that it is a GOOD alibi, but not a PERFECT one). I'm guess what I'm saying is that I find his behaviour incredibly obnoxious and would like for him to stop more out of irritation than anything else. :P
mikeburnfire wrote:You, however, have a claim that is weak, unprovable, and easy to claim as scum.
I can't help that. I can only claim what I got in my role PM.

I also dispute your description of it as "weak" on the basis that the only reasons you've given for it is "opportunism" (which given that my role is a protective one is slightly facetious - why would I out myself before it became critical to do so?) and a lack of breadcrumbing (which is a double-edged sword - if the scum caught me doing so I'd be killed in an instant).
mikeburnfire wrote:Also, Soupfly has a guilty result on you
See, I would label soupfly's claim as far more opportunistic than my own. How convenient it would be for scum to claim an investigative role to get a townie lynched - but leave a handy escape clause in the form of possible inaccuracy. I'm surprised at the virtual lack of questioning of his role, to be honest. Everybody has been taking the result with a grain of salt, but not the claim itself... which in my opinion is bad play.
mikeburnfire wrote:I would feel much better lynching you than anybody else right now.
Good to know. At this point I'm trying to decide between soupfly, aioqwe or Mirth.
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I would like Soupfly to be prodded, mod.
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:13 am

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Nah see, sk killed through fire. So my claim is pretty much golden, unless someone wants to counter?

I'm suspicious of soupfly's claim which is why I haven't stuck a vote on you yet. Re-reading this thread takes forever.

Could we get a bit more from mirth?
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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:01 am

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aioqwe wrote:Nah see, sk killed through fire. So my claim is pretty much golden
If there's one thing I've ever learned about mafia it's that
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is "golden" except if it comes directly from the mod. So while your claim is certainly very believable, don't think it's a get-out-of-lynch-free card.
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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:11 am

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Hi. I'm still not at 100% internet accessibility (still waiting for a new wireless card), but I can post for a few minutes now.

I think that Soupfly and Bob are scum together. Here is why:

-MBF is obviously town. Iammars confirmed him. I can confirm him. His role is just kind of annoying, nothing more.
-Aioqwe, while scummy acting, is also obviously town. No one else claimed vig. Mathcam is his kill.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm town, though useless town at the moment since I'm voteblocked.

Now then, by process of elimination, that least Soupfly and Bob. Soupfly claimed cop, but he's only gotten one result, and that's on Bob. He claims that he's been roleblocked the other nights, but we don't seem to have a roleblocker. He also claims he's not 100% accurate. Seems like a very suspect claim to me. Bob's claim also strikes m as suspect because that would make the town very overpowered. Only possible scum pair I can see, assuming we indeed have a scum pair. There might be a chance of there just being two mafia, with Mathcam dead already, but that seems quite unbalanced to me. Not sure which of the two has the more suspicious claim in that case. But right now it just seems to me like they're partners trying to distance in hopes of one of them getting to endgame cleared.

Aioqwe: what would you like to hear from me specifically

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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:26 am

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just more of your opinions on whatever is going on and stuff. Currently it feels like cb me and mike are talking and sf and you are kind of just there...

how am I acting scummy?

The rb would be a scum rber- makes the game a bit more balanced.
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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:28 am

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Just need to clarify a couple of things here:

3 Votes for a no lynch will be able to get the day sent to night with no lynch. Any player may vote for a no lynch, even if he/she has anything that may prevent that from being so.

That, and soupfly has been prodded.
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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:42 am

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I'm still sort of V/LA. Didn't get the part. Sorry I'm being kind of useless.

On no-lynch: bad idea assuming we're in LyLo. Unless aioqwe can magically outguess scum with his commute ability.

Aioqwe: Sorry I'm not being very opinionated recently, it's kinda hard with not having the internet at home. I thought the issue was going to resolve itself today...it didn't...I'm not sure when it will as FedEx hates me, apparently.

You just have not been the most town-acting player around. First your buddying up to Fonz day 1, being lurkier than most near the beginning, etc. I am however convinced you're not scum because of your claim. No one has countered you. I say Soupfly and Bob are a scumgroup, but I can't vote.
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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:41 pm

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I'm going away for the next 2 days. Not sure If I'll have net, but I'll be back Friday night/saturday morning.

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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:28 pm

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Internet issues part 2: sneaking in some net time before heading home.

I won't have net access until Monday evening at the earliest. Sigh...My apologies.
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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:46 pm

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So...

Mod: Has soupfly picked up his prod?
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:54 pm

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Soupfly has not picked up his prod. I am looking into finding a replacement.
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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:43 am

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i'm here. moved so been busy. will catch up asap.
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:57 am

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So it seems that some are trying to cast doubt over my claim. So be it, but just consider that my actions on night 2 where i pushed hard for cyberbob's lynch are consistent with my claim. i claimed early on where there is a risk involved if there were indeed another cop. but there isn't because i am he.

As far as my two roleblocks are concerned, it was pretty obvious i was cop after i pushed so hard for cyberbob. after i got a guilty on him, i had to make a decision as to whether i would push hard for his lynch so that the results of my investigation would be clear if i should die, or if i should play it lowkey so that i can't survive through another investigation. i'm confident that if i had died and come up cop then everybody would have known why i had pushed so hard for cyberbob. after that it became obvious to scum that i was the cop so they started roleblocking and kept me around as a "lame duck". they turned me into the cop who couldn't investigate especially so that they can then turn around now and cast doubt on my initial claim.

i can't prove it so i guess u all need to ask yourselves is what did i really have to gain as scum by trying to pull this type of gambit at that early stage of the game? all of this to get a townie lynched? sorry but it doesn't add up as we weren't in endgame (actually was very early when i started to go into cop mode and attack cb) when i claimed and there's hardly any benefit from me pushing for a townie lynch since it would make me highly suspect. not to mention the risk that there might be another cop out there.

the bottom line is that i'm a not 100% accurate cop who has an investigation on cyberbob which says that he is a bartender. i've been roleblocked the last days so have no results on my investigations of mirth and aioqwe.

i believe that my investigation of Cyberbob is accurate based on his play and his less than believable claim. there is probably nothing that can happen that would convince me that he is not the proper lynch target for tonight.

also, i would tend to believe aioqwe's claim which seems to logically check out since that golden bullet had to come from somewhere. i'm leaning towards believing MBF but i can't be 100% certain here because i'm still having difficulty understanding how making people lose their ability to vote can benefit the town. i don't like mirth at all and haven't since day one with the whole mason claim lying situation.

still, cyberbob is clearly in my sights for tonight's lynch.

@mod: which of us are still eligible to vote for tonight's lynch?
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:01 am

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SF what is your role name?

I can't decide between sf and mirth- but cb is pretty much scum in my eyes.
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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:55 am

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I just realized that I fucked the game up. Mirth can't vote, so if she's town we can't get a majority vote. Our only hope is to kill her and hope that she's scum.

vote: Mirth
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:42 am

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soupfly wrote:
@mod: which of us are still eligible to vote for tonight's lynch?
I can not confirm any roles that may or may not take away the power for someone to vote tonight. If something like that were to happen, those people would be notified.
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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:14 am

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aioqwe wrote:SF what is your role name?

I can't decide between sf and mirth- but cb is pretty much scum in my eyes.
my official role is a member of the State Department of Labor. I have access to the state's documents regarding the career that the other people in the town have taken.

MBF why vote mirth over cyberbob?
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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:24 am

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Hi, my name is soupfly and I can't read.
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:30 pm

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Mike, if we lynch scum today the town will still be able to get a voting majority tomorrow if you don't use your power tonight.
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:23 pm

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I know that. I don't plan on using my power again, but we're screwed TODAY. If Mirth is town, then only two townies have the ability to vote. We can't get a majority. We have to lynch Mirth.
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