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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:43 am

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In post 1048, Klazam wrote:VOTE: gamma

Pointing out softclaims with no reason, posting generally makes me uncomfortable, and being around for awhile without casting the host vote for Brass, these are the reasons. Im on page 37.
why is stalling the host vote scummy, and why is pointing out softclaims scum as opposed to anti-town?

speaking of, about Gamma: i liked his awkward reaction to Almost's declaration to sheep.
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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:52 am

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Almost is town. i'm maybe 80% sure. :>

Dunker/Creature/Klazam/Joda are on my list, but it bothers me they're all low... not activity but low impact. i like my townreads, though. the one i'm least confident in is probably Gamma.
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:55 am

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In post 1072, Chara wrote:
In post 1051, BuJaber wrote:If creature is obvscum why lynch now?
there's no reason not to lynch scum if you have scum.
flipping Gamma because a lot of players have talked about him sucks.
Klazam is likely scum but if he's town he might be able to show it somehow, meanwhile Creature is just scum.
and justifying a scumread on Gamma after he's flipped town is the same as justifying one while he's alive.
i've seen this sort of opinion from town often enough, but it still doesn't make sense to me.
I've had this discussion so many times in real life to know that there are just 2 schools of thought.
We'll just agree to disagree on when is the best time to lynch creature, and why an 'info' lynch is better.

Maybe justifying scumreads was the wrong words to use. I meant more like people would reasonably analyze the wagon to find scum on it, and in the frantic attempts of scum to defend their votes and cast shade on others you could find a slip. I mean obviously not all scum would be on the wagon but people tend to analyze the wagon first.

And is there no chance of creature leading us to his partners if he is left to live? Even if the answer is no here, if he's as much of a lurker as people say he is I don't see the harm in letting him live until we see some scum flips.
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:30 am

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In post 1075, Chara wrote:
In post 1048, Klazam wrote:VOTE: gamma

Pointing out softclaims with no reason, posting generally makes me uncomfortable, and being around for awhile without casting the host vote for Brass, these are the reasons. Im on page 37.
why is stalling the host vote scummy, and why is pointing out softclaims scum as opposed to anti-town?

speaking of, about Gamma: i liked his awkward reaction to Almost's declaration to sheep.
Stalling the host vote, as you put it, is pretty damn scummy, considering we've had a conftown IC here for awhile now. Also waiting on host votes doesnt serve the town in any way at this point, we need to finish up with the WC stuff so we can hang people.

Eh, anti-town/scum, i dont like it either way.
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:35 am

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What is bothering me at the moment- the wagon on me stopped for awhile, then almost50 pops up and declares that creature is scum, and bam his wagon builds quick.

Ok. Thinking about that logicially, I think Almost is town due to that because im town, so scum doesnt have a reason to distract the town from lynching me, so.

I was thinking that almost might be scum setting up a future lynch of me due to assocatives, but that's a stupid plan if he was scum. so im gonna slot Almost in my townpile.

Who jumped ship from my wagon, then? Im gonna head back and try to look at that. If i can.
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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:41 am

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I agree. Stalling the host vote is not like stalling a lynch. There is no town motivation when we have a clear host. Someone is waiting for something. And that would suggest one of the runner ups is scum or scum are hoping we lynch before congress.
In the 2nd scenario it probably means klazam is town.

Unfortunately there is the possibility that real life is interfering and all of what I said is void but that's a factor in every game. I kind of expect people who sign up to a large game to have a plan for catching up reasonably frequently.
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:42 am

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These are the people who followed A50: chara, brass, Kok, marshy, Gamma.

Of these, Brass and Marshy was on my wagon. Kok wanted to be on my wagon too.

wait a second, Kok, reconcile your vote of creature with this post please-
In post 796, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 787, Klazam wrote:
In post 786, Kokichi Oma wrote:I could get on board with a klazam lynch.
What's stopping you? I'm curious
Waiting for WC to be finalized.
Why were you reluctant to vote me, but eager to vote creature so quick?

I think Kok looks the worst in that series of votes regarding creature.
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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:45 am

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I just wanted to pressure Creature into voting for the host already. It seems that pressure does not work when he's lurking though.
I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.
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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:45 am

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In post 505, marshy wrote:ok lets go brass for leader then. i was
hoping we could get someone who wasnt confirmed for the sake of info
but a clear at least ensures were not being manipulated. so lets elect him and get to the vote
Bolded pings me pretty bad. His move to creature makes sense with his previous posting though
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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:46 am

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In post 1082, brassherald wrote:I just wanted to pressure Creature into voting for the host already. It seems that pressure does not work when he's lurking though.
You can do no wrong, Mr. IC. My question is directed to Koki.
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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:47 am

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Just being confirmed town doesn't mean I'm not going to make mistakes though. Clearly don't accuse me as scum but please question my play if it might be bad at any point
I've only made one good post, and don't you dare accuse me of doing it again.
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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:50 am

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I will if i had a problem with your play, I dont here though.
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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:51 am

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In post 1029, ActionDan wrote:HEAL: brassherald

I think I may shade the player with the most posts actually from time to time. It sounds fun.
If I have the post posts I'd actually be glad
I never have the most posts
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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:53 am

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In post 1032, Joey_ wrote:
In post 1019, Gamma Emerald wrote:Nice to see AD shading my posting frequency with no actual backbone. He's scum.
Why do you assume his post meant that high post count was “scummy”? The word “impressive” can go both way and i personnaly don’t know from the post alone if he were shading you or implying its good by your meta or something
He was voting me earlier for my walls, which I had explained had the purpose of reducing early-game pagecount. It seems he's getting on my case for posting more than I seemed to imply I would in the beginning. My problem is that he's not sayin it directly, which feels like scum not wanting to stick their neck out for that push.
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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:53 am

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In post 1034, ActionDan wrote:Oh it was shading.

Just not shading that implied anything AI.
Why do it then?
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:54 am

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TBH, the WC from what i see so far is a dangerous mechanic, because it murders momentum for lynchwagons, thanks to lurkers. Im thinking we should aim to resolve the WC vote within 5 or so days from any game day start, to ensure we have good lynchwagon build times. anyone who stalls on that deserves extra scrutiny because it is antitown behavior.

(Yeah creature is a problem)
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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:54 am

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In post 1042, Nero Cain wrote:[6] brassherald: Nero Cain (1), Shaziro (1), Chara (1), Jodaxq (1), ranmaru (1), ActionDan (1)
[3] Kokichi Oma: Kokichi Oma (1), Dunkerdoodles (1), Joey_ (1)
[3] Elbirn: Elbirn (1), Bujaber (1), Varsoon (1)
[3] Titus: Titus (1), marshy (1), pidgey (1)

Of the wagons with 3 delegates, I prefer Titus.


not voting: Kiana Kaslana (1), brassherald (1), Creature (1), Gamma Emerald (1),

Both Brass and Gamma should vote Titus putting her at 5. Kiana can vote Brass meaning Creatures lone vote won't affect anything and thus we should get our resolutions by then.

Its already getting close to 50 pages. Let's get this show on the road.
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:56 am

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In post 1048, Klazam wrote:VOTE: gamma

Pointing out softclaims with no reason, posting generally makes me uncomfortable, and being around for awhile without casting the host vote for Brass, these are the reasons. Im on page 37.
How does my posting make you uncomfortable? That's a very vague accusation with minimal accountability.
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:57 am

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In post 1049, Klazam wrote:A50 trying to pull the wagon away from me to creature is eh.

I like titus' points on Kokichi. I think they makes sense to me.
Do you not agree that Creature is obvscum?
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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:00 am

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In post 1052, BuJaber wrote:Chara/gamma/klazam/titus/ran/nero/koki all seem better flips.
Hahaha no
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:05 am

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In post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1052, BuJaber wrote:Chara/gamma/klazam/titus/ran/nero/koki all seem better flips.
Hahaha no
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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:05 am

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In post 1080, BuJaber wrote:I agree. Stalling the host vote is not like stalling a lynch. There is no town motivation when we have a clear host. Someone is waiting for something. And that would suggest one of the runner ups is scum or scum are hoping we lynch before congress.
In the 2nd scenario it probably means klazam is town.

Unfortunately there is the possibility that real life is interfering and all of what I said is void but that's a factor in every game. I kind of expect people who sign up to a large game to have a plan for catching up reasonably frequently.
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Klazam being town isn't ruled out for me. I do find it wierd my scumreads have a habit of calling me town.
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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:06 am

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In post 1054, BuJaber wrote:I picked the most polarizing people I remember.. list maybe missing one or two
Polarizing =/= scum pal
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:08 am

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In post 1058, BuJaber wrote:I actually think gamma is town here but a flip either way would make people a lot more focused. I'd love to see how people explain their scumread on him if he flips town.
This really feels stupid. First off the "I'd still be willing to lynch him even though I think he's town" is terrible and speaks of a lack of accountability. Second you make people explain their reads before the flip not after.
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:09 am

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In post 1066, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1065, Kokichi Oma wrote:Creature and Kiana sneak your votes for me. Let's make this Civilization great again.
See--that's why I don't trust this guy.[merged with next post]
I concur. He's acting like he knows better than everyone and seeking power than teamwork. Really turns me off from a Creature lynch.
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