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[the worst]

Multiball so
Scumhunting != town
Friendly reminder

[the worst]

people I think are town: bbmolla, vax, light, ausuka, random (if I haven't mentioned them before now the reason I'm townreading them is very obvious)

people who are not scum with not_mafia: theta

people who I think are not town: Taly, Davsto

people I think are not town but also probably not scum with not mafia so maybe this read is kind of dumb but deal with it: TheBrie

This reads list?
Like the #staywoke vibe but agree with very few reads. it's kinda throwin down as much tinfoil as possible.
either town thinking theyre doing the right thing or some cheeky scum tmi hidden in there. maybe probably the former.

scum flip here would be highly spicy

[the worst]

Which of their reads do you strongly disagree with? TheBrie

[Chickadee]

Well, honestly saw myself getting to D2. Oh well. Another town down.

[Gammagooey]

Davsto did/do you have thoughts on players that aren't Momrangal? I might have missed them but if you had any other thoughts on other people while you were pushing Mom I'd like to know what they were.

[Gammagooey]

Nvm I'm dumb just saw your #964 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10162920)

Your readslist feels a little easy for scum to make but I don't think it's particularly easy to make reads given this type of game so eh.

[Chickadee]

Before I die I'd just like to say I do not like the Lovebird slot, and I have a town read on the Davsto slot.

[xyzzy]

​Chickadee, Echo Bay citizen, has died.

living players and unused shots

the following players are still alive: the worst, Taly, Ausuka, Iconeum, Davsto, Austerity, randomidget, Vaxkiller, TheBrie, Lovebird, StefanB, light_ganski, Theta Alpine, Toranaga, wingedcatgirl, Gammagooey, BBmolla

the following players have not used their shot for day 1: Toranaga, wingedcatgirl

mod notes:

[light_ganski]

Gamma looks more town to me off of 1052
Would like to re-iso the worst when I have time

[StefanB]

There are only 2 players with shoots left, ahould perhaps ISO a few people.

[Taly]

I'm officially lost with several of my reads, I didn't expect the past few flips to be town, and I'm feeling a bit bad at the moment.

I want to see

Toranga

and

wingedcatgirl

post more since I don't feel like I've seen enough of either.

[TheBrie]

I'm currently feeling like the mod is messing with us, but putting in a heap fewer scum than expected. At least I hope that's the case.

I've done a search on Chickadee, and these pots have some potentially useful associations.

Lovebird has been casting strong shade on Chick.

Oooo we're not all town! Confirmed now.

What did I just come back to?????

I guess feels like "oh no, doctor is dead" thing.

Maybe chickadee could be scum. Even without associative.

Gamma kind of defended Lovebird, but he also defended Chick here a bit. The rest of the post this is an exerpt), sounds townish, but Lovebird and Gamma being scum together is not impossible.

i think Lovebird's push on chickadee looks like genuine scumhunting from Love - a lot of posts from Chickadee look posturey in isolation, especially her comments to Nero around the Almost shot and the snarky/vax shenanigans. I think the context (especially the parts with the Almost shot being basically in real-time with Nero) makes Chickadee look a lot better than her iso alone though.

In post #495 StefanB said Chick could possible be scum with not_mafia, but it wasn't a strong statement and feels more likely to come from town.
Light Ganski's post #918 has Chick as a scum read, but also for valid reasons.
Theta Alpine had Chick on the shoot list for breaking out of PRICKS.
Taly questioned Chick about certain things. Origianlly had read her as town, but was shifting towards scum.

None of those four are anything to make a case about without the biggest stretch of imagination.

[wingedcatgirl]

I am aware that I've been a low-energy player - as a low-energy person, it was kinda gonna be a thing.

I'm about to leave for work in like half an hour, so I can't construct a readwall just this second, but I'll do so when I get back.

[jokingly overconfident voice]And when I do it'll be over for both scumteams, bwa ha ha.[/]

[xyzzy]

Theta Alpine and BBmolla have been prodded.

[Austerity]

Random is avoiding the game again.

Somebody please shoot him.

[Theta Alpine]

ugh this day is going to drag on for a while

toranaga
we played together in the mod is mafia if i remember correctly

as a reminder there is no lynching in this game
you have a dayvig like everyone else in the game [everyone but wingedcatgirl has used it or have died though]
so please if you are town then just discuss with everyone else before using it because randomly shooting people has worked out terribly so far
if you are scum feel free to ignore that and get killed today/tomorrow

[we probably should have firmly established the no-killing-people-for-no-good-reason rule a lot earlier]

also as a reminder the day ends once no more shots are left or it has been a week since the last shot


and a general question
should we kill any more people to see if we can get any more scum or should we have wingedcatgirl and toranaga abstain their shots and see what the nightkills are

[StefanB]

That is for them to deciede, have they got a shot they want to risk or not?
Also if one or both abstain I don't think we have to wait one week, but they count as having shoot and we get night.

[BBmolla]

Post

Will catch up a bit once home

[Theta Alpine]

Also if one or both abstain I don't think we have to wait one week, but they count as having shoot and we get night.

if both of them abstain or one of them abstains and one of them shoots then no shots will be left and the day will end
abstaining removes your shot for the rest of the day

[Davsto]

You've gotta sympathise with how frustrated I am right now. I had a myriad of valid reasons to scumread Mom. And they flipped town, big deal, sometimes reads are wrong and town players act scummy. It's just annoying to now see people acting like I had no reasons as if they think my only reason to scumread Mom was her quickshoot when reading my posts makes it clear it's more than that. It really puts down and degrades a scumread I put an awful lot of effort into. I don't mind it being wrong, I mind that everyone is acting like it was nothing.

It wasn't the quick shoot I thought was a bad reason. It was the whole IIoA being irreverent in multi-ball that I thought was rubbish. Not complete rubbish, as it's easier for scum to avoid it, but that doesn't been it's an totally invalid tool. And even as a bad tool, that doesn't mean the person using it is scum, and you were tunnelling he a bit, in my opinion.

Honestly you're pretty much right there lmao, I shot pretty early because of confbias through me guessing that Mom was BP!scum and Mom turning out BP. I would have definitely still shot her eventually though because her actions as mentioned above were pinging me hard so she would still have got a shot from me.

Gamma looks more town to me off of 1052

Even gamma's pre-1052 posts are pretty good on ISO, he is a new member of my "do not shoot" team. 1502 was definitely a goodpost^TM though

Random is avoiding the game again.

Somebody please shoot him.

Seconding this. In his credit he did shoot Mom when coming back but he was basically locked into it at that point and would have been garroted had he not so it's pretty NAI. The lurking is pretty bad though. The fact that he shot Mom means he was reading the game enough to follow that Mom was still alive and needed a shot, but apparently not enough to comment at all.

[Gammagooey]

I'll admit it'd be p. nice if random actually showed up and played the game even if I do think he's likely town

dav do you still think thebrie/taly are town?

[Toranaga]

ok so I'm in this game

[Toranaga]

Spoiler: dead players
Ramcius, Echo Bay citizen
Aristophanes, Echo Bay citizen
CheekyTeeky, Echo Bay citizen
Gorkington, Echo Bay citizen
Ankamius, Echo Bay citizen
Nexus, Echo Bay citizen
hyung, Echo Bay citizen
Varsoon, Echo Bay citizen
McMenno, Echo Bay citizen
Harambey180, Echo Bay citizen
Eddie Cane, Echo Bay citizen
Kokichi Oma, Echo Bay citizen
SnarkySnowman, Echo Bay Grits 1-shot bulletproof traitor
ooba, Echo Bay citizen
Almost50, Echo Bay citizen
Bins, Echo Bay citizen
Creature, Echo Bay citizen
hebichan, Echo Bay citizen
Not_Mafia, Echo Bay Munitions Co. goon
Sando, Echo Bay citizen
Nero Cain, Echo Bay citizen
Srceenplay, Echo Bay 1-shot bulletproof citizen
Momrangal, Echo Bay 1-shot bulletproof citizen
Chickadee, Echo Bay citizen

[Toranaga]

what the hell happened here

[Toranaga]

how many living players atm?