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[Nero Cain]

I'm fine with the wheel and unexplained reads and w/e but the only thing I dislike from KM is her soft defense of Amrun.

amrun doesn't even think TSE is scum, that's like the definition of a go with the flow scum vote.

I think there's going to be a lot of go with the flow votes from town as well though in a 50 player mess like this

[Kirari Momobami]

Nero/Kirari block,

Talking about a two-player "block" right now is scummy.

[The Fonz]

In general, I have felt for years that posting lists of every player in the game is useless for town, and more something scum do to look town. I find it much more town to just talk about 2-3 of your strongest reads at a time.

Okay

So, why are you not voting Drixx, who thinks it's productive to give detailed reads on 17 players in the game when I don't have 17 scumreads?

Because I side with Drixx in your argument. Basically, he's saying you don't actually have reads on everyone you've stated a read on, and in asking you to provide justifications he's actively expecting you not to be able to.
The reason he thinks this is because he thinks your reads are fake, and you don't actually have them - you're just claiming you do to fake the appearance of scumhunting.

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm fine with the wheel and unexplained reads and w/e but the only thing I dislike from KM is her soft defense of Amrun.

amrun doesn't even think TSE is scum, that's like the definition of a go with the flow scum vote.

I think there's going to be a lot of go with the flow votes from town as well though in a 50 player mess like this

Amrun is one of three players I've mislynched this year and the reason I mislynched her was for going with the flow too much while she was busy

That doesn't make her town here but I think pushing her for that reason is unwise

[TrueSoulEnergy]

There is 17 people here.

You imply this like a contradiction but given I don't even have reads on 33 players, why is it more reasonable to

harass

me to explain the gut reads and initial impressions I have over solving the rest of the game?

What's your read of Drixx?

I am by no means doing the

Bolded

.
I just seen you say “I won’t do 50 Players full Reads that’s stupid”
When he was just asking for the 17.
Unless you were just exaggerating.
I was deem scummy because I didn’t put “at least 1 scum” nor explain myself that well.
I just didn’t like the way you went about that post.

I haven’t read any of Drixx’s posts.
Is there any specific posts of theirs you want me to look at?

[pisskop]

Tomorrow morning. Maybe. Ill do a read.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Tomorrow morning. Maybe. Ill do a read.

Sounds Good.

[kagesong]

Could someone just like, go ahead and site ban me? not that I deserve it per se, outside of maybe this post. But I keep trying to use Mafia as an escape from real world problems, and then not being able to play because of my real world depression/anger/seizures/brain/beingashittypersonandnotdeservinganyreprieve and then having to replace. So, like, can we just make it not possible for me, so I don't have to trap myself into the hurt of trying to play again. Not that it matters if I manage to get in the car tomorrow. Time will tell.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Could someone just like, go ahead and site ban me? not that I deserve it per se, outside of maybe this post. But I keep trying to use Mafia as an escape from real world problems, and then not being able to play because of my real world depression/anger/seizures/brain/beingashittypersonandnotdeservinganyreprieve and then having to replace. So, like, can we just make it not possible for me, so I don't have to trap myself into the hurt of trying to play again. Not that it matters if I manage to get in the car tomorrow. Time will tell.

Sounds like you need a break.
Maybe try Yoga.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yoga usually calms the mind.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Fonz, why do you think I'm scum?

I feel like you are trying to ingratiate yourself with a Nero/Kirari block, siding with them but showing much less conviction in your stances than they do, somewhat hiding behind them. Anyway as y'all know I'm LA so signing off for the rest of the day now.

What gave you this impression as opposed to me genuinely having a townread on the two of them?

pedit: kage, take a break from this game. This game will be here when you're back; there's literally 50 people here.

[Kirari Momobami]

Because I side with Drixx in your argument. Basically, he's saying you don't actually have reads on everyone you've stated a read on, and in asking you to provide justifications he's actively expecting you not to be able to.
The reason he thinks this is because he thinks your reads are fake, and you don't actually have them - you're just claiming you do to fake the appearance of scumhunting.

Conversely, why are my reads on page 12-13 not going to be "because I read their posts"?

When each slot is going to have a few posts, and I am giving initial takes, how is it not self-evident that I am responding to pretty much their entire iso at that point?

Likewise, why is it pro-town to discourage slots from giving early game reads/impressions? I feel like scum much more frequently attacks early game reads lists and town is much more likely to GIVE early game reads lists because they are trying to get into the game, so this argument that scum is more likely to fake a bunch of structured positions to produce content and conversation I feel like is the opposite of reality. What games or posts make you feel this way?

You keep saying "justifications" as though early game reads are going to be very elaborate and detailed. Usually I will either have one or two pings, or see a bunch of blah posts that don't give me much reason to townread which in turn moves the slots down in the poe.

Also, you're saying you're siding with Drixx, but you're not saying you townread him. What is your read of Drixx irrespective of you 'siding' with him or not?

[Kirari Momobami]

I am by no means doing the Bolded.

I wasn't referring to you there, I was discussing Drixx's attitude toward the list

[kagesong]

Yoga usually calms the mind.

Got money to pay for it? Cause I don't. Nor do I have any way to realistically get any. I can't work, but I don't qualify for disability cause government, and the only person who cared to help me at all walked the hell out. SO GET SOME FUCKING YOGA YOURSELF.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Kirari, is Drixx's real time posting slightly out of his scum range?

[kagesong]

Oh, also, I messaged for a replace. I know I shouldn't say that here, but seems like maybe Wake won't with the TSE stuff, and I literally asked for a ban anyway. So, last post. Except, I'm not TSE, so probably unsubbing as soon as I post this.

[Kirari Momobami]

I haven’t read any of Drixx’s posts.
Is there any specific posts of theirs you want me to look at?

I don't think his iso is so long you couldn't just read all of it tbh?

[Kirari Momobami]

Kirari, is Drixx's real time posting slightly out of his scum range?

Not really, he's definitely posting more independently than he did in AvT but I haven't seen him separate from Cerb that often. Do you think he is outside his scumrange? What games are you thinking of?

[Kirari Momobami]

My dislike of 728 aside I think kage is probably town

[Amrun]

Why aren’t you being realistic about how you will get a wagon through?

that's not remotely close to what I was saying. More pressure pointed sounding questions that don't match the conversation.

Have you given any thought at all people’s motivations?

I HAVE! if you are scum then going for the wagon with the least resistance makes plenty of sense.

How, after playing in chkflip’s game, are you this obtuse about the fact that if we do not no lynch today, it will be an absolute miracle?

We will not have dueling wagons.

We will have 5 piddly wagons that amount to nothing.

Vanity wagoning has the potential to ruin this game.

[Amrun]

As a reminder, we only achieved lynched in chkflip’s game because of TSE’s role ability which was designed for that exact purpose, to reduce the number of people needed to lynch.

Because getting 26/50 people to agree on anything is almost impossible.

[Nero Cain]

I think since Amrun is scum reading me/setting up a chain lynch that MY scum read on her will come off as OMGUSy and be written off but look.

She comes in the game and asks why TSE was getting wagoned. I told her why.

Can someone summarize why the TSE wagon is a thing?

I haven’t read a goddamn thing. I intend to but if I don’t start playing from here, I’ll fall more and more behind. Ugh.

The TSE wagon started out as an RVS wagon. He then claimed loud bodyguard unprompted and claims he didn't know he was wagoned. He then went on to say that he

KNEW

there was scum on his wagon, i.e claiming he was getting bussed. When I pushed him on this he deflected and now claims it was a "communication error"

He's also been claiming he was replacing out but never did.

He's toxic and immature.

"oh you didn't phrase it as if that's why he's scum.

Nero’s description sounded like “why TSE deserves to be voted” vs “why TSE is scum.”

I didn't phrase it that why b/c thats not what you asked. Ofc, she's claiming that a question she asked Elsa makes it where my 997 isn't a response to 989.

TSE was originally a random vote but his response was crappy so he's the designated day 1 lynch. Hope that helps the case, Amrun.

Is there any real indication this crappy response is AI?

I'm Nero. Elsa is some crazy guy that thinks he's an ice princess.

And the "asks a question: oh I didn't like your response" is just old school scum play and how scum her has treated me in the past.

OFC she's saying she's too busy to play and that's mostly null but the same time not reading and throwing down a vote on someone she doesn't even think is scum is not +town.

[Amrun]

There is also no way that you actually scumread me based on posts I made explicitly without having read anything because I’m not not going with the “conversation.”

Of course I’m not. I haven’t read it.

P-edit: not even saying I scumread you. I don’t think this is outside of your town range. But it’s an asinine, elementary level read and you’re capable of better, if town. Think about it.

You really think that’s the scum play? Come in, openly not read anything, then vote TSE without ever reading any of his posts?

As opposed to fabricating a reason to be on his wagon. It is obviously pretty easy to do.

[Nero Cain]

at what point are you going to sit down and read it them?

[Nero Cain]

How, after playing in chkflip’s game, are you this obtuse about the fact that if we do not no lynch today, it will be an absolute miracle?

We will not have dueling wagons.

We will have 5 piddly wagons that amount to nothing.

Vanity wagoning has the potential to ruin this game.

Don't we still have a week and a half till deadline? Why are you stressing out of getting a lynch with so much time left?

Also, I'm here and active so why is it a big deal that im doing other things with my vote a big deal?

there are shit tons of vanity wagons and useless votes. I made a post a lil' while ago about wanting ppl to consolidate on BR, profil or TSE.