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In post 1050, floo wrote:Reasons to kill esotericzoomer:

Widely townread?

esotericzoomer was more of a "passive townread," in that he was away from scrutiny in the final leg of Day 1. He had his share of scummy lines to justify a vote. Prism or myself would be a better choice for this reason.

Scumreads

His other scumread was Fredrick. There are other players who scumread Fredrick, so killing EZ would be a poor choice. Fredrick is somewhat vindicated by Enchant's town flip. Plus, EZ's 100% confidence about scumreading Enchant would have blocked his chances of pushing a further scumread.

I think there are two plausible reasons then. The two reasons I mentioned above would not be the main reasons to kill, but could be secondary ones.
- Probable power role. I have not read enough into EZ's posts to see where this is implied though.
- Avoid Doctor/Jailkeeper. This is a hybrid reason which combines "widely townread" and/or "scumreads."

In post 1046, quiet wrote:
I’m interested in why the push on Fredrick happened, and why it’s still happening. Trying to decide if it’s a good wagon today. I think I’m inclined to hunt somewhere else, but if other people want to champion that I’ll be very interested.

In post 1057, floo wrote:

In post 1040, Salsabil Faria wrote:

My vote is in the same place:

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

You vote quick. How does the Enchant flip change your read of Fredrick?

In post 1058, floo wrote:

In post 1056, Spartan117 wrote:I agree that is true but I don't see why he is even somewhat vindicated when he was being scumread before them interactions occurred, Floo how do you feel about Prism? Would you be willing to join a wagon on them today?

I don't townread Prism. A lot of vote pressure/suspicion would be the best way to get a read out of a player who stays under the radar by just contributing a lot. I'm open to voting Prism, but I would prefer voting Salsabil Faria, who stays out of suspicion for the same reason as Prism.

In post 1059, Spartan117 wrote:

In post 1057, floo wrote:

In post 1040, Salsabil Faria wrote:

My vote is in the same place:

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

You vote quick. How does the Enchant flip change your read of Fredrick?

I get the impression they assumed we would pick up d2 where we left off on d1 with a wagon on Fredrick and while I am still sus of them, I want to see more from them first, I want to see them actively try and solve the game.

In post 1060, Spartan117 wrote:

In post 1058, floo wrote:Salsabil Faria, who stays out of suspicion for the same reason as Prism

I felt like there were a few occasions that Salsabil seemed very worried about coming off sus and their behaviour being seen as scummy, which was suspicious to me. I saw them presenting themselves similar to Quiet and Prism with their content and seeming townie but felt like they were more concerned about seeming townie.

In post 1064, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 829, esotericzoomer wrote:

In post 828, flow trap wrote:

In post 825, esotericzoomer wrote:you're being too paranoid

This sounds scummy tbh

not being confident in your reads and double-checking everything will drive town into ruin

Having confidence in your reads when you have no reason to place that confidence in your reads will bring you to incorrect conclusions.

I'm worried that Fredrick is Enchant 2.0, and the people who are pushing it are worrying me

You're almost there flow trap, let down the walls of your heart and start sharing the inner thoughts.

Do I worry you?

In post 1084, Prism wrote:You're almost there flow trap, let down the walls of your heart and start sharing the inner thoughts.

Do I worry you?

You worry me the most, but I forgot why

I’ll be off V/LA by the end of the day. Plan to do a catch-up and more content driven posts at that time.

Floo, I don’t quite understand your Salsa scumread, but when I review more closely maybe it will make sense.

Spartian, I’ll respond to you when I get to a computer, but I’m a bit surprised by your take; I was operating under the perception yesterday that my slot was generally a light scumread for people, which is why I made the assertion that I basically never die last night. I’ll have to review the thread and see if I was more townread that I thought, but it wasn’t a distancing argument so much as me trying to make sense of the only real data we have post a suicidal towny.

Salsa, you get almost indignant with your posts sometimes when responding to people lobbing suspicion your way. Do you think that’s AI at all?

Flow, I think I’’ going to just townlock you for a day or two until something makes me question. The town is strong with this one.

Fredrick, I don’t have much of a read on you at all. However, I don’t like a Fredrick wagon today, it feels LHFish (this is a gut feel thing, I don’t have a strong logical argument at this time for thinking they’re scummy or towny, I just think a wagon somewhere else gives us more info.) I’d be curious what wagon Fredrick would propose.

And prism I think I’m scared of you too, but I’m hoping we can work that out. If flow doesn’t have a reason off the top of his head, mine is that nothing that has happened this game would have forced you to step outside your town range, and I think you are top tier unlikely to slip. Yeah yeah burden of proficiency well stop being so nice and such it’s scary, because I love playing with you but that little bit of fear is going to stay until something mechanical or polarizing happens to force you outside of your comfort zone. To some degree, this applies to a few people, but I think you’re exhibit A in this lobby.

Very IIoA I know, but this is mostly just a post to say that I’m alive and finished my journey with only a few dramatic turns. Also, I was expecting to have to catch up on a lot more, and was interested to see only a few pages.

I *might* be having a heart attack so I'll be out for half a day

I suspect that the easiest way to solve this is to just get a scum flip and force the NK. I am not sure Frederick is it, but I am sure the game will be much easier one way or another when he starts playing.

I suspect the mafia is comprised of Spartan11 and flow trap.

VOTE: Spartan11

In post 1071, Prism wrote:Frederick, esotericzoomer has access to the flip and can see that it flipped town. It's Day 2. You're one of the more experienced players here. It's time to play the game.

VOTE: Frederick

I drafted my first three posts in the last night phase and didn't want to put it to waste. Also, for some reason, I didn't register that two of the posts I drafted was responding to esotericzoomer's posts until after I have posted it.

If we shoot FaC and they flip town we are in a really bad position

In post 1089, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I suspect the mafia is comprised of Spartan11 and flow trap.

VOTE: Spartan11

I welcome some long awaited suspicion

In post 1089, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I suspect the mafia is comprised of Spartan11 and flow trap.

VOTE: Spartan11

Awesome, I'm glad to see you take some stances. Can you elaborate on why you feel this way?

In post 1091, flow trap wrote:If we shoot FaC and they flip town we are in a really bad position

While my vote isn't going to randomly swap, it is malleable and we have a full week. I'm always open to talking about whatever topic you want.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Spartan117 has justified their scumread of me despite the fact that I have stated that he stated an opinion that had no justification.

Bottom of 746, don't think he's focused as much on you today other than by reference to yesterday. The votes on you are me and Salsabil.

How about flow trap?

In post 1096, Prism wrote:Bottom of 746, don't think he's focused as much on you today other than by reference to yesterday. The votes on you are me and Salsabil.

How about flow trap?

The read on flow trap is contingent on Spartan117 flipping mafia.

In post 1086, quiet wrote:Salsa, you get almost indignant with your posts sometimes when responding to people lobbing suspicion your way. Do you think that’s AI at all?

In post 1088, Prism wrote:I suspect that the easiest way to solve this is to just get a scum flip and force the NK. I am not sure Frederick is it, but I am sure the game will be much easier one way or another when he starts playing.