Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:41 pm
Of course today it's better to hang floo. The cop check one of the other sus people.
If you are hanged today, we'll know your role (townie from your POV), so why do you need the check of floo, who is the scummiest player in the game for you? And not only for you. So there is a total waste of the check if the check is "floo = mafia"In post 1074, KittyTacky wrote:I said to check Floo if he's not hanged today
I mean... fair enough on a second thought.In post 1077, Vasex wrote:If you are hanged today, we'll know your role (townie from your POV), so why do you need the check of floo, who is the scummiest player in the game for you? And not only for you. So there is a total waste of the check if the check is "floo = mafia"In post 1074, KittyTacky wrote:I said to check Floo if he's not hanged today
if you are town, then you already know that happy unbirthday boon is not your mafia partner, and thus there is no reason to townread them for not being your mafia partner...In post 1074, KittyTacky wrote:I meant that if I was really his scumbuddy then he would be very, very sus if he failed to defend me after trying so hard. Thus, unless there's a bunch of WIFOM involved, this is a townread on me. Or am I wrong?In post 1056, team rocket queen wrote:???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????In post 1052, team rocket queen wrote:???In post 1050, KittyTacky wrote:On a second thought... Move HUB to a bigger townread. He defended me in a way that would be a risky play, almost gamethrowing, if I flipped mafia.
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i really can't get over this
like
happy unbirthday boon is town because it defended me in a way which would be almost gamethrowingif i flipped mafia
happy unbirthday boon is town because it's not my mafia partner is something
and how is this possibly a read for town!kittytacky
what would it even mean from a town perspective
Of course I know I'm town. However other people might not so surely it would work for them. Why would I need to prove to myself I am town?In post 1080, team rocket queen wrote:if you are town, then you already know that happy unbirthday boon is not your mafia partner, and thus there is no reason to townread them for not being your mafia partner...In post 1074, KittyTacky wrote:I meant that if I was really his scumbuddy then he would be very, very sus if he failed to defend me after trying so hard. Thus, unless there's a bunch of WIFOM involved, this is a townread on me. Or am I wrong?In post 1056, team rocket queen wrote:???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????In post 1052, team rocket queen wrote:???In post 1050, KittyTacky wrote:On a second thought... Move HUB to a bigger townread. He defended me in a way that would be a risky play, almost gamethrowing, if I flipped mafia.
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i really can't get over this
like
happy unbirthday boon is town because it defended me in a way which would be almost gamethrowingif i flipped mafia
happy unbirthday boon is town because it's not my mafia partner is something
and how is this possibly a read for town!kittytacky
what would it even mean from a town perspective
In post 135, Ydrasse wrote:what does 'concerning' mean to you, and do you think that it's scummy?In post 129, FBJim wrote:other than "what is flow trap's deal"?
Ydrasse's posting but relative non-activity is more concerning to me than the non-posters right now, if i'm not being too paranoid about the page or so of off-topic stuff on P3 when semi-serious discussion was already occurring among other players
selfishly i'm also curious about HUB's scum-read on me. if we want to know more, probably could put the thumbscrews to both of us.
why not press on it with a vote?
In post 137, Ydrasse wrote:also, is there anyone that you townread right now? it looks like you've been casting doubt on players thus far.In post 133, FBJim wrote:what's behind your townread on vasex, by the way? responses bothered me at the moment but i'm finding them relatively easy to read as legitimately upset.
In post 317, Ydrasse wrote:fbjim seems alright to me right now
flow trap probably still mafia? i skimmed, im tired, i just read those posts and i think "oh wow, this feels scummy." might be confirmation-biasing my self into it but nothing has made me waver from it.
welcome fairyprincess!
Going through Ydra's iso, I can see fairy or Jim both being slots that would likely prioritize a Ydra kill. Jim gets lightly townread but is still in her POE, and it's also possible that, given the way Battle Mage was heavily pressing the "doctor" crumb angle, he could have killed Ydra for 698 more for a potential intention to cop check his slot?In post 698, Ydrasse wrote:fairy’s more likely than jim but pretending i’ve read them closely won’t do us any favors, this is a phantom impression
and frankly i don’t know if they do or don’t and are probably just looking at the material reality of your vote
In post 196, flow trap wrote:Do you know what a joke is?In post 186, KittyTacky wrote:What? My point still stands. You bring no info to town but you bring to mafia all the info they need. You already outed yourself as a PR.In post 170, flow trap wrote:This is a strawmanIn post 158, KittyTacky wrote:flow trap wrote:
In post 146, KittyTacky wrote:
Dodging questions is seen as quite scummy where I come from.
Last game I had a PR read on something which caused me to dodge questions, please do not proceed with this
Well you soft-claimed PR way back. Mafia is likely to target you anyways since a PR dying is good for them regardless of what it is but your soft-claim provides no info to us. Share with the class.
Your lead will die with you if you get nightkilled or hanged because of your stubbornness.
In post 259, flow trap wrote:I'm about to go into analysis but here is my base skim reads as of now:
Leaning Town: Kitty/FBJ
Neutral: Floo/Fairy/TRQ/HUB
Leaning Mafia: Essay/Vase
This is interesting to me because despite getting into a slightly weird argument with KT flow trap consistently holds him as town. It's also concerning that both of flow trap's remaining townreads are being heavily pushed by Vasex as the most probable world. I'm not sure I agree with all of flow trap's reads, but they are flipped town so it is good to understand how they were approaching the gamestate; also seems like the townread on fairy/BM was predicated on floo being scumIn post 274, flow trap wrote:Vase - At first I didn’t like their immediate looking into me, but their explanation was adequate. I don’t like their explanation to TRQ’s “knows mafia must talk! to seem towny” as they could have said it to seem towny. I fail to see the “asking approval and complementing another player on a page 1 vote.” May have shaded FBJ in #37. I don’t like their Caberet defense, I don’t think it needed to be said. I still don’t really get why they singled out their voters other than OMGUS. I don’t like post 96 from them, I don’t see town saying this, this early. Them questioning people & reasoning out pairs is a plus. Also, them continuing after saying they were done was also a plus. -Toss Up
Fairy - Their posts seem normal, also they SRed floo again, awaiting more. -Null Town
Floo - I really like post 83, it mimics their previous town game; however, I don’t like 86 as it is non-sequitur. The rest of their posts are solid. -Leaning Town
Kitty - The main thing going is their frivolous reason for suspicion on me. I don’t think scum would do this as it is very easily refuted and would put them in a bad light, but I’m not sure how to feel about them sticking to it. I would really like them to have real-time responses at one point. -Leaning Town
FBJ - Question; in post 15, why was “supposed” in quotes? Their beginning was solid, but they quickly went into non-sequitur territory a bit. Their actions make sense with their explanations (I think your reads are biased to more serious players, it happens just informing you). -Leaning Town
HUB - Started with a seemingly procedural opening, so not much to go off of in that matter. Is mildly out of sync at the start, but that seems like a HUB thing. Their defense of Vase was weird, as was the “SAD FACE OF SCUMMINESS”! They seem like a type to have good gut reads & mid games, so as of now -Toss Up
Essay - Their entrance was suspicious as I’ve consistently seen “showboating” done by scum. In fact, this is about 70% of their posts so far. Also, ignored/dodged my SR. -Leaning Scum
TRQ - Good opening, I get serious town vibes (as in a town that is playing seriously). This continues throughout the game despite half the cast having lighter tones. It also provides good reasoning to vote me. I believe TRQ has the ability to do this as scum but for now -Null Town
the more this game goes on the more I agree with this lolIn post 345, flow trap wrote:Vassex you are the most towny and scummy player so far
continues to hold floo and kitty as TRs, and seems to have downgraded fairy based on re-evaluation of floo while still holding vasex as scumIn post 432, flow trap wrote:More of a why notIn post 430, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:Go on...In post 428, flow trap wrote:VOTE: Happy Unbirthday BoonIn post 427, fairyprincess69 wrote:why in gods name are there three votes on vasex
Now there is not
FBJ - TR
Floo - TR
Kitty - TR
Vassex - Was already on them
Essay - Secret reasons
Fairy - Didn't feel like switching of off Vase when they suggested it
TRQ - Dynamics
In post 608, flow trap wrote:And Vassex hasn't provided a reason at all
Want to compare this to Jim's wagon analysis
I'm actually not a fan of the soft discredit on KT being townleaned hereIn post 178, fairyprincess69 wrote:ah hello boon, you're krazy right? shadowslug here, now we can officially have a true battle of wits
i'm not sure about your russian communist bloc comrade, i might have to be an anarchist... that being said, good first impression from vasex. i like him trying to move the game forward almost immediately, n stuff.
this is actually kinda scummy since it's not really directly engaged with any of the three votes?In post 427, fairyprincess69 wrote:why in gods name are there three votes on vasex
TMI? Like idk, I find it weird to be thinking about partner interactions day 1In post 550, fairyprincess69 wrote:pretty much every slot has had some sort of negative/shading interaction with flow trap, i really don't think they're partnered with anyone, and their playing almost identically to their town meta from last game
The most jarring thing for me here is, how does BM enter the dayphase having Jessie as null? At this point I feel like Jessie was the most consistently engaged and solvy player throughout day 1, I thought her handling of the hammer was good, but BM starts with Jim (???) and the dead town above her. I'm also intrigued by having Vasex as tier 2 town; like if he just seems townie why isn't he on tier 1?In post 722, Battle Mage wrote:these were my reading-during-night-phase takes:
top townreads: FBJim (too townie for school), Ydrasse (assuming crumb substantiated)
moderate townread: Vasex (just seems townie)
null: floo, team rocket queen
top scumreads: HUB (open-wolfing hard?), KittyTacky (that apologetic E-1 vote was pretty gross)
Probably for the best Ydrasse died, as a VT claim after that crumb would've been instant-death. But Ydrasse did a great job of drawing the NK so kudos.
I want to elim KittyTacky today, and give HUB benefit of the doubt for now I think.
don't like thisIn post 733, Battle Mage wrote:i've played many games with ydrasse. if i'm scum, i'm for sure killing ydrasse there, and if i'm town, i'm for sure elimming ydrasse on a vanilla-claim.
returning to this, I actually think I'm going to look at some isos before reading the second half of this iso again, but there is a world where this is an early day 2 bus. Like the early insistence of this vote might be how some scum might handle this game if we're in A or C; afraid of one of the two getting cop-checked, BM might assume that either he or his buddy has been redchecked and that it is therefore good to get distancing in while the distancing is good.
at this point it's not surprising at all, it could easily be that flow trap faking a readslist made it seem more real than their usual reads listsIn post 1089, Vasex wrote:HUB, before I forget, is it weird that Floo said that he found readlist of flow trap genuine? Then flow trap said tgat it was a fake... Maybe I understand smth wrong...
I dont think so about this post of fp, because before that I talked about she can be pocketing me (I provided her quotes about me), but next time she still comes with this post about three votes on me... too scummie for scummy?In post 1090, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:this is actually kinda scummy since it's not really directly engaged with any of the three votes?
In post 1088, Vasex wrote:And I've got some problems to find the reasons why TRQ cannot be with Jim (except my very early thoughts about "go on"). Not much conversation between them, careful analysys from Jim about trq, and I don't remember much from trq... That's strange. And not in anime vagon together.
So in sum you are all mafia scums except me
In post 1093, Vasex wrote:I dont think so about this post of fp, because before that I talked about she can be pocketing me (I provided her quotes about me), but next time she still comes with this post about three votes on me... too scummie for scummy?
Maybe BM always tries to become a leader? Smth like that. His attack was directed to SE's, and the third SE is killed by that moment. Is it common for him? I can imagine such a person, he sees himself a leader, maybe always?In post 1090, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:The most jarring thing for me here is, how does BM enter the dayphase having Jessie as null? At this point I feel like Jessie was the most consistently engaged and solvy player throughout day 1, I thought her handling of the hammer was good, but BM starts with Jim (???) and the dead town above her. I'm also intrigued by having Vasex as tier 2 town; like if he just seems townie why isn't he on tier 1?
still totally town opening lolIn post 34, team rocket queen wrote:daka daka daka
this doesn't read like scum planning a FT misflip d1In post 47, team rocket queen wrote:for those who took it upon themselves to read flow trap games; does it stop beingIn post 44, flow trap wrote:Hey mason buddyIn post 43, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:I tend to use a lot of hyperbole and/or "jokeclaim" masons day 1.thisat some point?
this is generally good analysis, but now with FT flipped it does suggest one possible world of Jessie/Jim (i.e., playing with anti-partnered pairings to obfuscate read of partner)In post 195, team rocket queen wrote:hm well if flow trap is mafia happy unbirthday boon is probably town since 'ahh that was a towny response i might be wrong about this' would make the counter wagon on fbjim ineffectual
I mostly did this in Q+ because I need to reread this in context to understand what it meansIn post 352, team rocket queen wrote:have you ever thoughtIn post 351, Ydrasse wrote:uh... i don’t understand what you’re asking jessie can you rexplain?
hm, i am struggling with this as mafia right now, i will say that someone else is! or any other thought you had throughout
also, thoughts on 350
in retrospect I'm not sure what this vote is doing
I don't really mind Jessie having Jim as a townread, but I'm not sure I totally understand where the Jim townread comes from throughout the game. Still, it'd probably be scummier if Jessie had no townreadsIn post 670, team rocket queen wrote:it's like, why, outside of fbjim who is +town to me, noone is currently trying to find a mafia who isn't possibly flow trap,
even though like {fairyprincess, floo, kittytacky, ydrasse}
right?
liked fairyprincess's first series of posts, did not like their presence when considering hammer on flow trap,
floo missing something that would be super apparent to mafia has been the only town point there
kittytacky these recent posts feel like 'just want flow trap hammered', which flow trap will say happy unbirthday boon is the same but does it reallyfeellike happy unbirthday boon is not doing a thing because to me it reallyfeelslike happy unbirthday boon is doing a thing which makes town the more likely option
no notes on ydrasse
In post 696, team rocket queen wrote:do you believe that the mafia believes that i want vasex eliminated?In post 694, Ydrasse wrote:flow specifically appealed to me about vasex which like, from him it’s more a survival thing but yeah
this actually feels like really good engagement with BM/FP slotIn post 763, team rocket queen wrote:you were not responding to them in the order they were posted which makes my brain ask 'why why why' and makes it feel like there must be a reason that one was being skipped for other onesIn post 759, Battle Mage wrote:i wasnt avoiding it, i just couldnt keep up with your prolific posting - it's quite evident i was responding to a range of posts in quick succession - suggesting otherwise is completely disingenuous.
kinda don't like the insistence that my explicitly explained jokeclaim was a realclaimIn post 767, team rocket queen wrote:and happy unbirthday boon is alive so i did not understand what you meant by if you 'claim' you must be eliminated or what have youIn post 766, team rocket queen wrote:i do not understand the question. happy unbirthday boon openly said masons with vasex and then accepted masons with flow trap as a fallback,
Again, tend to like solving since I think town will tend to be pretty fast to establish a flip order, although do have to watch for 'over-certainty' -- I don't mind moving Vasex out of this pool at all, but I still don't understand why she's moved Jim out I guess? Again, not intrinsically disagreeingIn post 809, team rocket queen wrote:currently thinking both mafia in {battlemage, floo, kittytacky}
In post 128, team rocket queen wrote:pick a direction for us
what questions are most pressing to you right now
what are you most curious about outside of non-posters
how do we learn what we want to know
In post 40, team rocket queen wrote:go onIn post 38, FBJim wrote:In post 33, flow trap wrote:Because I'm a PR
well, fair is fair, i did ask for a bad reason
UNVOTE: team rocket queen - things are getting less random
These posts generally feel pretty town, *unless* they are Jessie trying to coach a scumbuddy in-thread. So basically, I think Jessie is town, or she is scum with Jim. But I think given how many other problem slots there are in this game, this probably means she's just town. I was hoping to be like "Jessie is hard town, never ever scum," and I think that's the most likely world we're in, but there is *a world* where Jessie flips scum I guess. I don't think these feel performative like Jessie would be trying to pocket a town Jim, rather this feels more like how a scum would be trying to position their buddy as a townblock to keep pressure off them.In post 825, team rocket queen wrote:this also feeds into the openwolfing thing, because if the tides were to turn away from flow trap on day one it would have been towards kittytacky, as fbjim and i had discussed that option,In post 822, Vasex wrote:Though... If Kitty is mafia, HUB has some problems, because if I'm not mistaking he defended him the whole first day. He was ready to play fast with Russians, though in my opinion Kitty wasn't enough in the thread to judge him enough. And even tried to defend Kitty from FBJim in the end.
Something like that Battle Mag is now doing with Floo.