In post 1072, Bell wrote:Oh, hottest take Mastina is scum.
Also, I will be upset if Titus, Mathblade and Mastina are all town. That would suck.
I miss quiet.
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In post 1075, Kitty Trauma Team wrote:
I have been trying to personally use work less as an excuse during games, but I have been learning to balance it a bit more since coming back to the site.
I came back to the site in August and felt like I got fairly well back into it with a few bumps and bruises, and then I got utterly buried in the Tenet game. I think I'm shaking that off. I hope.
To answer your question regarding the distraction: I noticed a bit of a pattern we had a mixture of different people posting and then the type of content that were being posted.
I had liked how Math engaged Prism during the morning, but things went south when LLD got into the mixture and then it just went up in a fiery blaze — just like my call today.
We had people who I noticed who were trying to sort out reads in addition to trying to get a hand on the artifact during the morning. (Tammy/Sangres/Math/LLD) Then we had the players that posted, but their content to say the least I would describe as a mixture of “one liners/trolly/buddy-buddy”.(Bell, BM, SirCakez, Pooky) then we had a few players who posted no content at all such as prod-dodges or those who barely posted at all. (Dunn, Mastina, GreyICE, Bork).
Those players who weren’t in the whole trying to sort players out kinda got to stay in the shadows as you would call it. I think personally a lot of people just started to go with the flow and was like let’s vote Math D1, which then obviously got stronger once LLD claimed.
I like this. I came out of the Prism/Math stuff with a strong townread on Prism, and that read definitely colored my take on Prism/LLD. I'm not unhappy with how it's resolved at least to this point. Prism isn't a stake in the ground for me this game, but I might have tried to make him one if I needed a read for the game to pivot on.
I haven’t really gotten a handle on my play style anymore because I feel like I’m so rusty with mafia that before Hiatus I was terrible and then when I came back I’m even worse. I have really only played maybe four games and only one was scum and that game I felt like I did better, but that’s because I was able to hide a bit during the player list. I just know I got wrapped up in my last game I played as town and got distracted and didn’t sort the “older” players because I tried too hard to sort the newer and got snowed really hard. I kinda brushed off the older players.
Coming back from my hiatus, I'm finding it difficult to sort a whole large theme game-sized player list (smokefilled antechamber didn't count in this respect because I was in a dethy embedded in the game, which made the rest of the game basically a mini theme). I like large themes, though, so I'll probably struggle along until I figure out how to do this again.
Along with the fact since coming back from Hiatus I barely remember any meta, or meta-tells on players are now gone or at least evolved from when I was last active.
Preach.
I know I’ll need more solid proof, but the last time I played with Titus she turned out to be town and I feel like she’s 180 here currently. She hasn’t really even acknowledged my present/tried to sort me like she would in past games. Then again I don’t know if we have a personal disconnect going here or maybe I just feel like there might be.
I've been told by multiple players/hydra partners that Titus has mellowed post-divorce and is a more enjoyable person to play with now. We were both in the Tenet game and both town, but were in opposite threads (the game was divided into two threads until day 4). We interacted a little over her (correct) LLD read, but not enough for me to get a sense of what her town play is like now.
I think it’s because I’m finding myself agreeing with a lot of Mastina’s posting. I’ll do a separate post with quotes for you.
Your slot is getting tangled up in dissonance. Kuribo has a theory regarding your slot, but we need a flip or two in order for him to flesh it out. So it’s really hard to explain because it’s so early with no flips in order to do it. I actually happen to be okay with your posts or at least I’m not finding anything red-flaggish. So we have a conflict here.
-M
I'm a little sad. :/
I like Kuribo, and that Peregrine-modded NY game I played with original Serene in 2013 really made an impression on me in terms of DGB and kuribo as players. When he's ready to get active again maybe we can talk through whatever it is.
This was originally better, but then when my iPad died I lost the whole entire post and I’m kinda brain dead and exhausted from the whole day.
Yow. A few years ago a drunk driver in a pickup truck went airborne and landed in my across-the-street neighbor's living room. This looks worse. Hope any injuries were minor.
In post 1077, Kitty Trauma Team wrote:Ok maybe it was only post 932 that I liked in regards to Mastina. >>
I guess if I were to actually flesh out her posts they are underwhelming to say the least
Yeah.
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In post 1079, Spiffeh wrote:Still in the middle of my catchup but feeling solid with my Dunnstral vote.
The way he's approaching his extended engagements, particularly with sangres: not really acknowledging or caring where ffery is coming from when she's gone above and beyond to explain her issues with him, and acting like he has an answer for everything while she's the one in the wrong really bothers me.
In Tenet, town!Dunnstral seeked out hard town reads Deacon Blues and Dandelion Wine (who ended up being scum, but irrelevant) who he discussed EVERYTHING with, to the point that their neighborhood PT almost reached 50 pages by the end of the game. He constantly bounced ideas off of them in the neighborhood; I literally got to-the-minute play-by-plays in the scum Discord from Cabd about Dunnstral's latest theories and reads. He was always churning them out because he had a bloc he felt confident in, and obviously valued their opinions.
Where in his ISO does Dunn exhibit this desire to identify and mind meld with his town reads? I can't find anything. He lists LLD, Prism, and Bell as town reads. He has not engaged with ANY OF THEM on reads one time. Bell, one of Dunn's listed town reads, has me as his highest townread, while Dunn himself has me as one of his strongest scum reads. There's been no initiative on Dunn's end to convince Bell he's wrong, or try to engage with Bell about what he sees. Because he doesn't care about finding scum.
90% of his posts are reactionary, whether it be in response to MathBlade, ffery, myself, borkjerfkin. This isn't bad on its own, but these interactions offer no visible evaluation or desire to see where the other player is coming from, he's just getting into extended back and forths to inflate his post count and seem like he's contributing when he's not.
Everything listed above is so unlike the town!Dunnstral I have seen. He is not town here.
That was Dunnstral replacing into a slot that already looked strongly town thanks to unwnd's play. Coming into the game, he had the benefit of unwnd's cred, unwnd's reads on other players, and a whole lot of thread data to work with on his own. And then he made the slot his own, for sure. I don't think this situation in this game is comparable. At least yet.
I'm not holding Day-1 Dunnstral here to that level of play in this game.
In post 1078, Kitty Trauma Team wrote: In post 1066, MathBlade wrote: In post 1064, Kitty Trauma Team wrote:Kuribo is going to be out of commission until he feels better. He’ll be keeping me updated, but I want him to focus on feeling better.
@Prism: I was in between whether or not you were town/scum from when you and Math were first being engaged. I dead set agree with Math that you kept saying that your claim would show you are super town, but in terms of flavor it doesn’t. The enough information/episodes I watched I have to agree that H.G. wells wouldn’t start off with that artifact.
I also know P_A/Cabd enough that they wouldn’t let a game get broken via flavor.
Right now my personal reads (outside of Kuribo’s) are more vibes than actual cases. I have a really bad feeling regarding Titus/Prism/SirCakez.
I do think LLD/Math are likely to flip town. I have a feeling that Tammy/Mastina are town. I do have a feeling sangres might be town* (*this may change depending on how Prism flips)
I really didn’t like Bells/Dunn/BM beginning posts.
-M
I think you’re missing my point.
I think this doesn’t make sense for town prism and scum prism (which necessitates scum Bork and sorts itself out)
The powers claimed kinda confirms LLD as mason much as I tried to avoid that so LLD likely doesn’t get shot. Hence the winkies as I was being sarcastic and hoping people doubted LLD as a mason not to run her up but to avoid being shot.
I think yes the powers are scum utility but scum Prism just doesn’t out that and confirm LLD and another player without a serious game plan. Prism’s plan was flawed but I think it’s so flawed it can’t be scum.
Okay now that I can somewhat focus.
It doesn’t make sense for either alignment. I was actually half thinking a traitor role for Prism which would actually make sense for HG flavor.
I knew what you were doing with the winks in regards to LLD.
Then again the way prism has gone about this game is all types of odd. I don’t really see how scum-Prism does this, but again I don’t see how town-Prism does it either.
I just don’t want us to say okay its so flawed it can’t be scum and then she flips scum after all of it.
If this game wasn't advertised as not multiball I think HG would make sense as a 3rd party. given her story arc, her sympatico and self-sacrifice for Myka, traitor doesn't feel right to me. And yeah, I know that flavor-solving a PA game reviewed by Cabd et al is ill-advised. That goes for both of us.
Which brings us back to Prism's play.
Which I townread.
If I'm wrong, tlaloc willing, I'll figure it out.
In post 1087, Tammy wrote:Ffery - I forgot that I meant to tell you that yeah nacho is working way too much right now, and had a dumb overnight day slipped in which always fucks everting up, I imagine that whether you or the game will hear from him today depends on if he works late and how tired he is when he gets home and what time he works tomorrow. I hear you on Pooky. I haven’t seen him as town and you have, so maybe there’s a difference? He doesn’t really feel any different to me than the last two times I saw him as scum. The towniest thing he’s done so far is make that image.
Yeah nacho left me a message in chat about pre-inventory. Y'all get unadulterated me until further notice.
My one direct experience with town-Pooky, I was scum and I find that a less than ideal perspective to develop future reads from. I watched the Death Curse game off and on in real time, though, and my impression is that there isn't a whole lot of tonal difference. He can be charming as both alignments, abrasive as both alignments, pushy as both alignments, etc. My read here is more about his positioning than about his tone or tempo, though I did get a really nice sense of tempo from the way he addressed my "worried" post. But, it was an entirely social interaction, which occurred fluidly and seemed pretty deft in terms of turning the convo away from substance. He does this as both alignments in my somewhat short experience.
There was a point in Mini 2181 where pooky and I had a fairly long exchange about our motivations in mafia. Syr later compared the exchange to a snooker tournament. Anyway, I think that fundamental motivation he described and linked an example probably comes through in extremity in his town games, especially, and it's something I'll keep in mind.
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In post 1088, borkjerfkin wrote: In post 1063, sangres wrote:Unless you're scum with Prism, which I doubt, I feel like your game-design thoughts look pretty town.
It makes more sense to me than your spec in Illicit did. I hope I'm not setting my feet on the garden path here.
It should be clear that my bunk-ass (at least, that's how I felt in my anxiety-ridden notes PT) flavor spec in Illicit was done w/ the specific intent to miselim a particular and incredibly strong PR claim.
This isn't even in the same universe of a situation; why would I have to be scum w/ Prism to present this opinion as scum?
It's not a great comparison, but I gotta start somewhere in watching you sort me. If you're scum with Prism, then you worked together on the reveal and confirmation before they hit the thread and the apparent LACK of agenda/intent is a mirage. And granted, it's a different, less fraught situation and probably easier to finesse. hence the garden path part of my post.
