In post 1066, Cape90 wrote:I don't see how it isn't just ProHawk here unless Strange has just been just sitting in the background and doing nothing this whole time as scum lol
Are you going to put any effort here or no?
I was traveling, but it doesn't take that much effort to clearly deduce that you are the wolf here and that Strange isn't
I have been reading past games of yours and from what I have seen haven't been reticent to vote people, yet this game you just plain aren't participating and it's throwing me for a loop.
I need to know where your thoughts are on the game-state.
I will.
Looking at POE at this point I think Cape09 is probably the last scum, but I'm going to 100% try to reread the entire game, especially since the last time I did this (Dwlee was scum and I town read him) I was completely wrong.
I dunno what the "POE" is, nobody is confirmed.
And could you stop saying 09, it's 90
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:18 am
by StrangeMatter
VOTE: ProHawk
Um okay.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:24 am
by Datisi
vote count 4.final
with 3 votes in play, it took 2 to make a decision. day 4 ended.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:25 am
by Datisi
ProHawk has been eliminated day 4. he was a
vanilla townie
.
endgame incoming.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:26 am
by Datisi
Cape90,
vanilla townie
, is killed in the endgame.
StrangeMatter,
mafia goon
, survives and wins.
congratulations to the mafia for winning Newbie 2084: Signs!
thank you everyone for playing, and special thanks to the replacements. i hope you had fun this game.
dead and mod pt will be open shortly, scum and notes pts' owners have 48 hours to request redactions.
as always, if you have and feedback on any aspect of my modding, it is appreciated and encouraged.
the thread is now open for post-game discussion. everyone may post now.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:36 am
by Greeting
Thank you for the game. I sincerely congratulate the scum team for a very deserved win, especially StrangeMatter.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:37 am
by StrangeMatter
GG.
That end of day 3 was honestly chaos.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:51 am
by ProHawk
Bahaha nice job cape rofl.
Maybe put in a little more effort next time.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:55 am
by Prism
Congratulations to the scumteam, who did very well at understanding exactly what they needed to win and pursuing it to the end!
I will try and give substantial feedback later, but I am a bit swamped at the moment with other commitments. You can also find a lot of my (hilariously wrong!) commentary in the dead PT.
This was a hard game, and I don't envy the town players left alive for it. I think Meg did something people tend to really overlook: blatantly openwolfing when it is to your wincon to do so. He also did a good job with positioning around wagons & players to actively mislead and disguise his partner. Meanwhile, StrangeMatter did really well at abusing their indecisive town meta, and I was content to put them aside. They naturally carried it through the endgame.
I think I take most of the responsibility for the loss after that disastrous Day 1, and I am especially sorry to ProHawk whose alignment I failed to discern correctly. Mafia is a story of being very confident and very wrong, but we try to improve anyway. I also was sharply suspicious of Meg after the wagon positioning Day 1, but chose to wait until Day 2 to pursue it more aggressively. Not the right call!
I don't think this is fair. Cape did not take the full time in Elo but it is clear how much time and effort he put into the game. Sometimes, you unfortunately know when you will not switch, and it is best to just get the job done with so you can spend time debating what matters (the 1v1) or lose if you're wrong. I would encourage looking back at Day 3.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:57 am
by StrangeMatter
I really want to see the dead thread. That Meg bus was all intentional especially since we got called out hard, and I don't get how it worked out for us.
Maybe stop openwolfing also we should have gone strange day 2 ago. This game was not solely my fault.
Pretty funny when I have put in more effort then you. At least on the odd days. Day 2, sure, fair.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:59 am
by Datisi
In post 1089, StrangeMatter wrote:I really want to see the dead thread. That Meg bus was all intentional especially since we got called out hard, and I don't get how it worked out for us.
i got distracted earlier, but the dead and mod pt should be open now.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:00 am
by StrangeMatter
We intended to bus each other when the time came as well.
Not to mention the early attempt shake away from me and Meg being the scumteam early. Tbh though MegAzumaril carried us hard.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:01 am
by Prism
While I wanted to take the time to own up to my own failures, which are what matter most to me, I really don't like this.
You spent all of Day 1 forgetting your own arguments, shifting the goalposts without realizing it, and refused to do the most trivial meta check when I laid out all of the links for you. I felt very resentful even when I found out you were town; I felt you put the onus on me in an incredibly difficult way to go above and beyond in looking into your mind. Our mutual fight and failure to communicate our intentions was ruthlessly exploited by both members of the scumteam Day 1. This is looking past the Greeting Day 2, and Meg correctly chose to set you up for that exact battle by selfhammering and denying you the chance.
Both you and I were exploited and punished every step of the way by the scumteam, even more than Cape was.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:10 am
by StrangeMatter
I will say though that yes I know no voting is always bad but putting the pressure on me was asking to not make that hard decisions, and is something I’m still working on fixing.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:12 am
by Prism
Oh yeah, I have no issue with it given that you were scum. Exploit the hell out of it, and really put the pressure on town to be the one to avoid a no-elim.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:13 am
by Prism
(And my idea was obviously to ensure you couldn't do that and were forced to take a stand!)
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:16 am
by Prism
I'll try to swing by and type up some individualized comments in a few hours, but I am really overcommitted at the moment and V/LA to boot.
I don't think this is fair. Cape did not take the full time in Elo but it is clear how much time and effort he put into the game. Sometimes, you unfortunately know when you will not switch, and it is best to just get the job done with so you can spend time debating what matters (the 1v1) or lose if you're wrong. I would encourage looking back at Day 3.
I disagree. He voted out of the gate, without thinking for Meg when if Meg had been town, we would have lost.
He didn't re evaluate the game state and just kept his conf-bias the entire game
Just my two cents. I tried to get him to focus and think but he wanted none of it...
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 am
by ProHawk
In post 1093, Prism wrote:While I wanted to take the time to own up to my own failures, which are what matter most to me, I really don't like this.
You spent all of Day 1 forgetting your own arguments, shifting the goalposts without realizing it, and refused to do the most trivial meta check when I laid out all of the links for you. I felt very resentful even when I found out you were town; I felt you put the onus on me in an incredibly difficult way to go above and beyond in looking into your mind. Our mutual fight and failure to communicate our intentions was ruthlessly exploited by both members of the scumteam Day 1. This is looking past the Greeting Day 2, and Meg correctly chose to set you up for that exact battle by selfhammering and denying you the chance.
Both you and I were exploited and punished every step of the way by the scumteam, even more than Cape was.
Yes TvT fights tend to support the scum team heavily.
I still don't know what you're going on about meta for.