In post 970, Datisi wrote:but i'd usually get a vibe when he's being actively manipulative and trying to get things his way, and i just don't get that feeling right now
Oh this does a much better job explaining how i feel abt mena than what i jusf said!
(Hoping he hasnt learned to pocket us in his hiatus >.>)
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:52 am
by fireisredsir
i think the argument that mena would be trying to control the game or have a presence slightly more unless he actually planned to be left out is a good one
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:54 am
by Irrelephant11
Menalque has only posted more than nk15 and malakittens, numerically. Fun fact
I think the argument that mena would post more as scum if anyone had ever scumread him and didn’t post more because everybody townread him without needing to do extra work nearly nullifies that. Like he may not have been manipulative because he was seemingly a sure bet for the coalition
i am ok with this, like ideal world for me would have me in for one of irrel/std and maaaaybe mena for the other one but eh its ok
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:56 am
by fireisredsir
In post 1077, Irrelephant11 wrote:Menalque has only posted more than nk15 and malakittens, numerically. Fun fact
I think the argument that mena would post more as scum if anyone had ever scumread him and didn’t post more because everybody townread him without needing to do extra work nearly nullifies that. Like he may not have been manipulative because he was seemingly a sure bet for the coalition
getting in the coalition doesn't end the game tho, i think that he would have had to work harder to keep up with people towning it up in order to go the distance
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:56 am
by skitter30
Tbf i did play in his last-scumgame where he basically got repped out for inactivity and for large portions od the game wasnt doing much
But he was also *trying* a lot more (fake guilty on his partner!)
And appealed to me a lot wrt wagons
Here he's kinda doing his own thing and just being v opinionated even if its kinda detached from everything else
I really do think that unless its like exactly mala/mk we're going wronf somewhere ....
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:57 am
by skitter30
Trying more when he was present, is what i meant to say
In post 1077, Irrelephant11 wrote:Menalque has only posted more than nk15 and malakittens, numerically. Fun fact
I think the argument that mena would post more as scum if anyone had ever scumread him and didn’t post more because everybody townread him without needing to do extra work nearly nullifies that. Like he may not have been manipulative because he was seemingly a sure bet for the coalition
getting in the coalition doesn't end the game tho, i think that he would have had to work harder to keep up with people towning it up in order to go the distance
Oh yeah
Still, I don’t think “isn’t playing hard, therefore town” is good logic in any setup
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:58 am
by skitter30
I kinda do want mena in ngl
Maybe even over irrel
Ugh
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:59 am
by fireisredsir
idk if the conclusion is "therefore town", exactly, since i think he would get eliminated before elo in that scenario
it's more "therefore prob not most likely to be scum who wanted to be in the coalition"
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:01 am
by fireisredsir
In post 1080, skitter30 wrote:I really do think that unless its like exactly mala/mk we're going wronf somewhere ....
full disclosure this made me want to convince you of irrel/std and then that made me paranoid that you said it in order to make me want to convince you
not a lasting paranoia but still
can you explain more of your thought process when you said this
it would make me feel better
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:05 am
by Datisi
In post 1063, Irrelephant11 wrote:Can you quickly browse his ISO with my towncase summary in mind? Time’s running out thank u
uuuuuugh i guess i can i wish i wasn't so sleep deprived yesterday
+1 to saying that mena is town and nothing has changed my opinion since yesterday
i could write stuff about it but i wish there was a way to transfer my experience with mena to you to know why i think he's town because i feel like i'm gonna sound like a tinfoily nut if i try to explain it otherwise
In post 1080, skitter30 wrote:I really do think that unless its like exactly mala/mk we're going wronf somewhere ....
full disclosure this made me want to convince you of irrel/std and then that made me paranoid that you said it in order to make me want to convince you
not a lasting paranoia but still
can you explain more of your thought process when you said this
it would make me feel better
If we assume i'm ok with puttinf in ari/dats
There's 7 people i'm ok+ with being in the coalition
Which seems kinda ? To me and makes me wonder if it can really be that easy
So yeah
Is mena really that unviable?
Me/ari/dats/mena/irrel?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:11 am
by Irrelephant11
If you want my vote you need a stronger towncase on menalque
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:20 am
by Aristeia
fwiw i do think mena is more townie than STD atp
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:33 am
by Save The Dragons
im around, just catching up for a sec
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:39 am
by Malakittens
I want to bash my head against the wall reading 1056
It’s legit what I been telling ari about why I want to leave datisi out
Not bc I don’t trust her, but because I don’t trust one of them mqnjlupatjnf each other bc of the relationship
I feel like its a p decent reason to townread him at this point in his meta etc tbh
I still reallh want me/mena/irrel/std but alas we cannot all have the things we want
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:44 am
by Malakittens
Btw if one of them is scum and one is town or both are scum
I’ll never let any of you live that down
I’ll haunt u in your dreams
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:57 am
by Datisi
i'm gonna open the std iso and go through it and try to see what irrel sees and whatever else
106 is a post. i was annoyed at this post at the time because i felt like that is very much not what i said to aristeia. but in retrospect i can see why my post could be regarded as bad and i guess people sometimes exaggerate and sure.
In post 3318, Datisi wrote:if i had a dollar for every nonsense argument for why i'm scum that has been made this game, i'd have enough money to get a therapist to get me unaddicted from mafia
datisi is scum because mercury is in retrograde
(1) there are genuinely less than i remember, and (2) "i'm probably scum" and "datisi is scum because zodiac" are probably??? crumbs that i fucking missed because i was too tunnelled on the idea that ari is my traitor because i was not able to believe my shitty scumplay managed to actually fool her but uh anyways
point takes he does seem much more relaxed this game
ok i kinda forgot to write things during reading but i'm at 919 right now and it's making me think that std might? be town because i'm weak for self-town-cases like that one
especially after i just read through a part of his scum iso and feeling like the vibes are different
also i'm not sure why scum!std keeps pestering malakittens to give her read of him and maybe change her mind when like, not like she is actually going to influence anyone
ok i need to take a break my attention span is running out
i guess the main thing that is changing my mind here is that his vibes do feel really different than they did in the scumgame i linked? like, i know one game does not meta make and that playying differently than one scumgame =/= being town, but that + the fact he wrote a kinda self meta case makes me wanna at least reconsider
i don't love the fact i don't feel much of like, idk cases and pushing but maybe i'm looking for something that won't exist either way and i'm gonna take a breather, see if i have any games of experience with town!std that would let me know if these vibes are Normal or Concerning, then i'm gonna like, walk through the mena iso again and see if i actually feel like i can put together a decent enough towncase in time
this is kind of depressing though because either i'm right on nk/mala/fire being 2/3 or i'm starting to / am townreading scum somewhere and i don't wanna do that
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 6:00 am
by Save The Dragons
i'm starting to think maybe i need to be okay with a coalition without me in it which makes me sad
Menalque - i wish he posted more, i wish he was around now, we'll see but i've felt good about the slot but i'm also nervous because i feel like it's the slot i might mostly likely be wrong about but i'm willing to trust people if they say menalque is good
Not Known 15 - more like not in a coalition 15. but probably town so maybe it's okay to have them in a coalition?
Skitter30 - skitter seems pure i really want them in the coalition. i've liked their emotion, their solviness, i think this is town
fireisredsir - i dunno!!!! i'm waffling so hard on this, is it town is it scum, i think i'd probably choose to leave him off just because i'm so unsure. i really like some of their recent posting, it seems town, and i liked their energy in the beginning, but i hated the way he scumread me, and i didn't really agree with his read on irrel either. i think ari had some good points about his early play.
Datisi - i'm not really afraid of the flirting and i hear ari's argument that datisi tr her so early if he always scum reads her that's a little concerning for a pocket attempt. but he seems engaged and is not trying to take control of the thread in a way that seems like he's trying to solve and justify his reads. i don't think he was trying to get into the coalition in a way that seems town, not in a way that seems like scum hiding to let their partner get in
Aristeia - again i'm not afraid of the flirting, maybe afraid isn't the right word. anyway she seems genuine and i'm sure she could fool me but i trust my read and i think she is town here.
Irrelephant11 - i really don't get any suspicion here i feel like he's trying to lead the game and i've mindmelded so much with his thought process. i want him in the coalition.
Save the Dragons - that's me!
Malakittens - i'm actually worried the increased posting comes from a scummy desperate hail mary to try and get into a coalition but maybe i'm reading it wrong, either way i'm too concerned to let her in. maybe it's a little omgusy but i'm also not convinced of her scumread of me
my preferred pool is me and 4 of {skitter, irrelephant, aristeia, datisi} which is 4 so i guess that's a coalition. i could do menalque if people really believe but i don't think i could do a coalition that strays too far from what i've said.
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 6:16 am
by Not Known 15
In post 1097, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm starting to think maybe i need to be okay with a coalition without me in it which makes me sad
Menalque - i wish he posted more, i wish he was around now, we'll see but i've felt good about the slot but i'm also nervous because i feel like it's the slot i might mostly likely be wrong about but i'm willing to trust people if they say menalque is good
Not Known 15 - more like not in a coalition 15. but probably town so maybe it's okay to have them in a coalition?
Skitter30 - skitter seems pure i really want them in the coalition. i've liked their emotion, their solviness, i think this is town
fireisredsir - i dunno!!!! i'm waffling so hard on this, is it town is it scum, i think i'd probably choose to leave him off just because i'm so unsure. i really like some of their recent posting, it seems town, and i liked their energy in the beginning, but i hated the way he scumread me, and i didn't really agree with his read on irrel either. i think ari had some good points about his early play.
Datisi - i'm not really afraid of the flirting and i hear ari's argument that datisi tr her so early if he always scum reads her that's a little concerning for a pocket attempt. but he seems engaged and is not trying to take control of the thread in a way that seems like he's trying to solve and justify his reads. i don't think he was trying to get into the coalition in a way that seems town, not in a way that seems like scum hiding to let their partner get in
Aristeia - again i'm not afraid of the flirting, maybe afraid isn't the right word. anyway she seems genuine and i'm sure she could fool me but i trust my read and i think she is town here.
Irrelephant11 - i really don't get any suspicion here i feel like he's trying to lead the game and i've mindmelded so much with his thought process. i want him in the coalition.
Save the Dragons - that's me!
Malakittens - i'm actually worried the increased posting comes from a scummy desperate hail mary to try and get into a coalition but maybe i'm reading it wrong, either way i'm too concerned to let her in. maybe it's a little omgusy but i'm also not convinced of her scumread of me
my preferred pool is me and 4 of {skitter, irrelephant, aristeia, datisi} which is 4 so i guess that's a coalition. i could do menalque if people really believe but i don't think i could do a coalition that strays too far from what i've said.
i am ok with this, like ideal world for me would have me in for one of irrel/std and maaaaybe mena for the other one but eh its ok
You realize that there are - at least - two votes on this already?
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 6:32 am
by Datisi
In post 1097, Save The Dragons wrote:but he seems engaged and is not trying to take control of the thread in a way that seems like he's trying to solve and justify his reads. i don't think he was trying to get into the coalition in a way that seems town, not in a way that seems like scum hiding to let their partner get in