Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[Datisi]

my head hurts and i don't think this is getting us anywhere

once you catch up - if you truly care about this still and if you think it's important for you to be able to sort me, i can keep the argument going

but i'm dropping it for the time being, sorry

[Dannflor]

I think I'd rather see Frozen Angel produce more content on other things

[Frozen Angel]

I think I'd rather see Frozen Angel produce more content on other things

if you have any specific questions shoot

[Dannflor]

me and catboi would be a good starting place

[NorwegianboyEE]

mastina came into our hood and immediately locked town datisi/catboi/myself because we were vibing

idk what to make of that

When you made this post or are you talking about an earlier event?

[T3]

Hello to my fellow cat friends

[NorwegianboyEE]

it was when she entered the game

she has posted only a couple times in the hood since that post, val

Ask and you shall find out it was already received.

[Frozen Angel]

me and catboi would be a good starting place

I am not interested at all in sorting you "for you know why" in day 1 and will purposefully deny doing that as its a waste of time and energy in this phase. I in general felt good about your analytic mindset but I haven't been paying deep attention for behavioral consistency tells.

I have a town read on catboi for the way they went against norwe wagon and the ate push in pure analytical and extremely consistent style. I liked his posts earlier to charluex

But, Dr Worm wasn’t a really doctor. So you’re not really scrrrd.

SHARP PENGUIN. DO YOU WANT TO VOTE SOMEONE IN OUR CLAN TODAY?

STOP.GIVING.INFO.WHEN.WE.DONT.KNOW.MAJORITY.OF.SETUP.
VOTE: SCRRRRBEAR

I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

But you had no problem with claiming your claim right away so why are you now acting like it's a bad thing?

especially this.

I haven't read pages 28 (?) forward I think and will do so later

[Dannflor]

mastina came into our hood and immediately locked town datisi/catboi/myself because we were vibing

idk what to make of that

When you made this post or are you talking about an earlier event?

an earlier event

That's how she entered the game. By reading the neighborhood and locking the three of us as town, which I'm pretty leery of because I feel like town!her would have some paranoia about any of us and her reasons for town reading us are weak

[Frozen Angel]

I also have a spicy scum lean on something - smart for calling out shiro and ignoring active players, and occasional line dropping without adding anything to game to progress it for themself or rest

have a good night all

[Frozen Angel]

based on what I saw till page 28 again

[T3]

I’m gonna catch up

But probably not tonight because I have homework to do and my bus didn’t arrive for 45 minutes

[Dannflor]

I am not interested at all in sorting you "for you know why" in day 1 and will purposefully deny doing that as its a waste of time and energy in this phase.

wait what?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE COUNT 1.6

[4]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, Something_Smart, Bell, KittyTacky,
[3]

KittyTacky

: Cephrir, Datisi, Mistyx
[3]

Marashu

: NorwegianboyEE, SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower
[2]

Alisae

: Val89, Marashu
[2]

mastina

: Dannflor, Alisase
[1]

Datisi

: Frozen Angel
[1]

Charloux

: Titus
[1]

Titus

: Charloux
[1]

Something_Smart

: T3
[1]

Bell

: fireisredsir
[1]

Dannflor

: catboi

[1]

Not Voting

: Shiro

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With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

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[T3]

UNVOTE:

[Bell]

I don't really agree with Danfloor that they need a solid scum read to approach the game as they do. Though maybe they're more subtle about it but I can think of a few instances where they felt slightly more natural as town then they've been here.
I was largely mollified once they got back and walled but it looks like Catboi actualy read through them and tried to see the motivation there.
I don't think "contribution" or "tactical posting" is exactly hitting it for me, simply because yeah we could all be supporting the game better than we inevitably end up doing. Dann was on my radar then he got off of it. It's noted though.

I think the confidence Catboi is showing is appropriate to their post about Dann, I.e., they feel that of the players available they think it's the surest bet but it's Day 1 and so it's not actually a very sure bet, so I can see where their placement is and it doesn't make a total lack of sense to me. I do think they've been a bit more clear than I'm used to, but it's not terribly clear why that is, but I tend to think their catboi is a different playstyle and I dunno if they do it purposely or I just don't understand it but I think it slightly controls for the approach.

It has occurred to me that Alisae hasn't played in a full year and their approach this game doesn't really reflect that at all, which is pretty confusing to me. They're confident they can read Norwe better than anyone else, but Norwe has been playing an additional year of mafia while they haven't. It doesn't make sense to me, but I actually don't think it's scummy. Just weird. I'm not sure how much I should be taking of their previous play from the last year, but it reminds me more of their town play if anything, given their conviction being stronger as town (up to fake claiming masons with somebody), I see what people are suspecting about informed Alisae going all in for cred, but I'm not sure that it's in character for Alisae to do that, I don't really have enough data.

Frozen Angel, I'm just genuinely confused about, they feel very cookie cutter, it's focused, there's nothing especially wrong with it, but I don't see creativity or spontaneity in it yet. This kind of read I always tend to be wrong on and a spade is simply a spade but flag waving is always a little odd to me.

@T3, hello fellow Cat. I'm a cat.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Mastina

[catboi]

The Datisi one is at least more relevant in the fact that several people are scumreading Datisi so I could see town making that defense but the placement of it in the rest of his body of work still feels unnatural to me - it feels more broadly like he's positioning himself to be 'correct' on Datisi rather than doing anything else.

can you elaborate on this? what exactly is unnatural about it? why am I positioning myself to be "correct" on datisi vs someone like alisae. I feel like if that were the case I would've been largely defending datisi from the beginning?

those posts came about because I finished reading at 2 am and decide my time was best spent putting the reads I felt strongest about into words

Like, sigh, okay, you can say that. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, I can't really tell. I just read that post and feel an inherent distrust for that read because of the effort proprtionate to it over hunting for scum. My feeling is that scum are

more

likely to make a big show about defending townreads? Because they particularly want credit for it and if they ever flip people are often going to go after level 0 associatives and yeet the person the scum was defending. By contrast I feel like scum are a lot

more

likely to be hesitant in their defenses of someone because they have imperfect information and are afraid of being wrong

I might have thought a little differently of it if Datisi seemed to be explicitly in danger but I don't really think he is even if a few people have been tunneling him.

it's true that I don't have any confident scum reads. my most confident is marashu and I feel mostly just ok about that.

KittyTacky I never town read

I was hesitant and am still hesitant about their wagon. they feel like the type of player that is going to get run up pretty easily no matter what, so I was surprised they were your most confident scum read

KittyTacky occupies a space of... I would not be surprised at all if they flipped scum and they are overtly scummy, but that I have a hard time telling whether that scumminess is just a facet of their personality or not. and so I feel there are bigger and better fish to fry

852 felt like a town read, or at least a defense, although you certainly didn't stick to it for long

[catboi]

I tend to think their catboi is a different playstyle and I dunno if they do it purposely or I just don't understand it but I think it slightly controls for the approach.

This is basically correct fwiw, I attempt to play differently on different alts. Nice of you to notice.

[Dannflor]

tbh I wasn’t really trying to defend Datisi? I don’t think Datisi is in any particular danger and that post wasn’t directed in anyone in particular

It was just a read I started feeling strong about as I caught up and wanted to explain

[Dannflor]

like... I don't feel it's accurate to say I've made a big show of defending datisi

I posted one wall about how I came around to town reading datisi because that was one of my three most confident reads at the time

I agree with what you're saying theoretically but I feel like your expectation is flipped of what it should be. If Datisi was explicitly in danger I feel it would make more sense to call me out for positioning while not actually trying to convince anyone in particular. but as it is it's just me giving a town read on a slot that isn't gonna flip anytime soon.

but as it is what is scum!me specifically gaining? the idea that datisi might flips several days from now and then I might get a little town cred? like I feel you are trying to use a usually solid scumhunting principle and you are trying to shove it into a place where it doesn't really fit. You're right that my proportions in terms of town hunting vs. scum hunting is off at the moment but that's because I feel more confident about the former right now, and I'm not sure how you are telling the difference between that and scum afraid to make scum reads.

although you certainly didn't stick to it for long

that might tell you it wasn't a town read

[Dannflor]

I guess that's not fair

I thought Kitty's entrance was scummy but I thought it was a different flavor than what I'd just seen in Turing Test and didn't really know what to make of that

One of my points of paranoia about you is just that Kitty feels too easy and I am not getting the same confidence on that slot as you are at all. And I'm having trouble putting myself in your shoes and getting the same level of confidence on Kitty as you.

like my head says Kitty is scum but my heart says maybe no

[PenguinPower]

tbh I wasn’t really trying to defend Datisi? I don’t think Datisi is in any particular danger and that post wasn’t directed in anyone in particular

It was just a read I started feeling strong about as I caught up and wanted to explain

Yeah, but you did.

[PenguinPower]

Pretend that was the first sentence only. Selective quoting doesn’t work on mobile apparently.

[Dannflor]

I don't think stating a town read on Datisi necessarily equals defending Datisi

I wouldn't really try to defuse a wagon on him right now