I understand your point but in my experience it’s greater > rand town who does this. Town!Sakura hard defended scum!Wisdom in Baton Pass - I think it was.
In the game where I was the game losing miselim, scum hardbussed their entire team and the d1 scum elim was they’re most powerful pr.
I understand your point but in my experience it’s greater > rand town who does this. Town!Sakura hard defended scum!Wisdom in Baton Pass - I think it was.
In the game where I was the game losing miselim, scum hardbussed their entire team and the d1 scum elim was they’re most powerful pr.
You still missing it.
I know I’m town and I hard tr all of Bella defenders. So you think everyone who voted Bella is town and wasn’t looking for towncred on her flip?
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:02 am
by MalcolmTucker
Luke's case in the hood re Enchant was solid and I largely agreed with it. Reading back Enchant's posts towards the end of the turn and they seemed a little bit too confident in advance Bella was coming back scum.
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:03 am
by Lukewarm
Marci. Are you claiming coroner?
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:05 am
by Enchant
Alright you see.
It was lost cause. For me in particular, Bella had 1% chance being town.
Bella could claim Vig and it would be belivable, but choose Doctor instead. Why? Idk, mafia lost sanity or really hoped ride on "nonsense claim".
Mafia probably gived idea to let Bella live, but not tried to hardly advocate for it, hoping town will go in it.
Mafia also probably didn't take KILLDESTROY approach.
They simple sitted back, and throwed comments. If town decides to LET LIVE, cool, reluctantly agree, if kill, well, whatever, it was lost cause anyway.
In post 10320, Rad wrote:I've been thinking of a DP => Bella => DP sort of scenario for tonight. We can talk more about it tomorrow.
Taly's not going to get NK'd, I think.
DP tracks Bella target him and either Bella dies or someone random dies. Shows that Bella has the ability to target someone outside of a NK. If PD dies we flip Bella. Strongarm ruins this line of play I guess but so does flipping town!Bella so... we're betting on probabilities there.
I dunno if there's a smarter scenario to play out of... town!Bella... strongarm!scum... will think about it tomorrow or I'm sure someone else can think of it in the meantime.
VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.
Garbage. We know flavor points to roles and should be taken into account. We don't know what alignment roles are so we have to consider that separately. If we ignore that we're ignoring valid information.
In post 10334, Rad wrote:Yup dp, I'm with you on this plan. Unless something else comes out that makes more strategic sense.
In post 10340, Rad wrote:Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.
Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.
If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.
If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.
Find other scum in meantime. Bella resolves tonight potentially with PD safe or bella as tomorrow's flip. PD safe is highest priority here and if scum decides to leave them both alone tonight, they're fucked anyway.
Wasn't too keen on Rad's progression re Bella on the vote yesterday. Very keen at first, perhaps with no hope of saving Bella if scum, but then potentially opportunistically jumped on an opportunity to save Bella after all once DP was onboard and they had some cover and weren't necessarily fighting a losing case. Would make sense if Enchant was scum too given you'd potentially have one teammate bussing while another makes the defence.
I understand your point but in my experience it’s greater > rand town who does this. Town!Sakura hard defended scum!Wisdom in Baton Pass - I think it was.
In the game where I was the game losing miselim, scum hardbussed their entire team and the d1 scum elim was they’re most powerful pr.
You still missing it.
I know I’m town and I hard tr all of Bella defenders. So you think everyone who voted Bella is town and wasn’t looking for towncred on her flip?
I'd be shocked if there wasn't some bussing going on but why are we automatically TR'ing people who defended Bella? I don't think it'd have been unreasonable for Rad to at least make an attempt at a defence.
i want it to be agreed whatll be most helpful to see instead of me just being selfish and doing for my own reads
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:08 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 10777, MalcolmTucker wrote:Luke's case in the hood re Enchant was solid and I largely agreed with it. Reading back Enchant's posts towards the end of the turn and they seemed a little bit too confident in advance Bella was coming back scum.
Oh forgot about that. Enchant was his hood mate.
I’m not confident on Enchant but there’s no way scum wasn’t on Bella wagon. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where scum didn’t vote mech guiltied buddy. Especially when you have a consensus tr making that guilty.
In post 10777, MalcolmTucker wrote:Luke's case in the hood re Enchant was solid and I largely agreed with it. Reading back Enchant's posts towards the end of the turn and they seemed a little bit too confident in advance Bella was coming back scum.
Oh forgot about that. Enchant was his hood mate.
I’m not confident on Enchant but there’s no way scum wasn’t on Bella wagon. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where scum didn’t vote mech guiltied buddy. Especially when you have a consensus tr making that guilty.
I don't think that enchant is anyone's hood mate? Might be wrong there are a lot of hoods
In post 10777, MalcolmTucker wrote:Luke's case in the hood re Enchant was solid and I largely agreed with it. Reading back Enchant's posts towards the end of the turn and they seemed a little bit too confident in advance Bella was coming back scum.
Oh forgot about that. Enchant was his hood mate.
I’m not confident on Enchant but there’s no way scum wasn’t on Bella wagon. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where scum didn’t vote mech guiltied buddy. Especially when you have a consensus tr making that guilty.
???
I am not in hood
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:10 am
by Lukewarm
Nancy, I am in a hood with Malcolm. And Malcolm was referring to our hood, because I made the same scum enchant case in the hood as I just did here
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:11 am
by Best Bird
In post 10784, Lukewarm wrote:I misread your earlier posts as being about best bird, which is why i didnt follow up with you.
same tbh
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:11 am
by MalcolmTucker
Spoiler:
In post 548, Rad wrote:Bella can you explain your town read on me? We had a super difficult time town reading each other in our previous game. Is it a vibe thing here or is there something specific that stood out to you?
In post 3110, Rad wrote:I think scum!Bella wants to make sure town!Rad continues to lose townie points here by continuing down this path:
In post 3018, Bellaphant wrote:Think I need to iso rad too. I thought their initial response to puppets was fine but then their tone shifted a bit in a way that felt new to me.
Not saying you shouldn't ISO me if you feel the need Bella, but this scenario is a layup for scum!Bella to just lean into how my tone shifted and it's feeling scummy to you now.
Happy to be town again with town!Bella! I do read you more as town this game than our last one though which makes me suspicious of you XD But yeah for sure leaning town on you pretty hard.
In post 3110, Rad wrote:I think scum!Bella wants to make sure town!Rad continues to lose townie points here by continuing down this path:
In post 3018, Bellaphant wrote:Think I need to iso rad too. I thought their initial response to puppets was fine but then their tone shifted a bit in a way that felt new to me.
Not saying you shouldn't ISO me if you feel the need Bella, but this scenario is a layup for scum!Bella to just lean into how my tone shifted and it's feeling scummy to you now.
Happy to be town again with town!Bella! I do read you more as town this game than our last one though which makes me suspicious of you XD But yeah for sure leaning town on you pretty hard.
I probably should have included this at the beginning of my last post:
In post 3122, Bellaphant wrote:P-edit your tone did shift but I think it's fine/a good thing. I think you did sometimes come across as a little condescending in the newbie, partly through circumstance !you had to be right ) but I still think your overall approach to the game is in line with the thought processes of town!rad.
I don't think you should town read me just because I town read you tho
I think you spotting my tone difference was good but NAI. I was going to mention that anyway as a good catch, but you coming in and straight reading me as town after this was huge townie points IMO because again, scum!Bella should lean on this concept of a tone change and knock me down further.
I'm the second most town read player. I MUST be taken down a notch. Luke as well, though he could just be ignored here and NK'd. So I'm being very observant of how that is going to play out, because it just has to play out that way. Not saying it's scum!Bella necessarily if you continued down that path and ended up with a scum!Rad read, but I am saying that scum!Bella SHOULD have gone down that path, so because you didn't, it's super townie to me.
Also, people are really a lot more aware of their reads status than I am, generally? That's you, Luke and bbt that's bought it up.
Shit was I coming across as condescending? Sorry that wasn't my intent at all!
I'm very aware of the reads that came from pooky's collection and I think the heavy town reads absolutely need to be the focus of scum here. Any possible slip up of heavy town reads should be immediately pounced on by scum if town doesn't do it for them. Not saying it necessarily makes players who pounce scum, but it needs to happen one way or the other. So I'm definitely interested in focusing on people who may opportunistically jump at me for my DP read and the fact that you could but didn't screams townie to me.
Reading back and there's a fair bit of interaction between Rad/Bella early game but it's also pretty soft and ultimately not a lot is really said of note - Rad TR's Bella but is very explanatory about why they're doing so, while Bella hints at not completely trusting Rad but backs away from it.
In post 10777, MalcolmTucker wrote:Luke's case in the hood re Enchant was solid and I largely agreed with it. Reading back Enchant's posts towards the end of the turn and they seemed a little bit too confident in advance Bella was coming back scum.
Oh forgot about that. Enchant was his hood mate.
I’m not confident on Enchant but there’s no way scum wasn’t on Bella wagon. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where scum didn’t vote mech guiltied buddy. Especially when you have a consensus tr making that guilty.
I don't think that enchant is anyone's hood mate? Might be wrong there are a lot of hoods
Oh sorry then, obviously misread.
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:14 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 10787, Lukewarm wrote:Nancy, I am in a hood with Malcolm. And Malcolm was referring to our hood, because I made the same scum enchant case in the hood as I just did here
In post 10320, Rad wrote:I've been thinking of a DP => Bella => DP sort of scenario for tonight. We can talk more about it tomorrow.
Taly's not going to get NK'd, I think.
DP tracks Bella target him and either Bella dies or someone random dies. Shows that Bella has the ability to target someone outside of a NK. If PD dies we flip Bella. Strongarm ruins this line of play I guess but so does flipping town!Bella so... we're betting on probabilities there.
I dunno if there's a smarter scenario to play out of... town!Bella... strongarm!scum... will think about it tomorrow or I'm sure someone else can think of it in the meantime.
VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.
Garbage. We know flavor points to roles and should be taken into account. We don't know what alignment roles are so we have to consider that separately. If we ignore that we're ignoring valid information.
In post 10334, Rad wrote:Yup dp, I'm with you on this plan. Unless something else comes out that makes more strategic sense.
In post 10340, Rad wrote:Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.
Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.
If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.
If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.
Find other scum in meantime. Bella resolves tonight potentially with PD safe or bella as tomorrow's flip. PD safe is highest priority here and if scum decides to leave them both alone tonight, they're fucked anyway.
Wasn't too keen on Rad's progression re Bella on the vote yesterday. Very keen at first, perhaps with no hope of saving Bella if scum, but then potentially opportunistically jumped on an opportunity to save Bella after all once DP was onboard and they had some cover and weren't necessarily fighting a losing case. Would make sense if Enchant was scum too given you'd potentially have one teammate bussing while another makes the defence.
I did think that the way Rad and DP were "I like this"ing and "+1"ing and "on point"ing each other approximately 100 times felt a little off. On one hand I could believe it being Rad trying to reinforce a pocket, but it is an odd move from someone who is fairly consensus townread to throw that away for a risky attempt at delaying a partner's death for one more Day.
In post 10320, Rad wrote:I've been thinking of a DP => Bella => DP sort of scenario for tonight. We can talk more about it tomorrow.
Taly's not going to get NK'd, I think.
DP tracks Bella target him and either Bella dies or someone random dies. Shows that Bella has the ability to target someone outside of a NK. If PD dies we flip Bella. Strongarm ruins this line of play I guess but so does flipping town!Bella so... we're betting on probabilities there.
I dunno if there's a smarter scenario to play out of... town!Bella... strongarm!scum... will think about it tomorrow or I'm sure someone else can think of it in the meantime.
VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.
Garbage. We know flavor points to roles and should be taken into account. We don't know what alignment roles are so we have to consider that separately. If we ignore that we're ignoring valid information.
In post 10334, Rad wrote:Yup dp, I'm with you on this plan. Unless something else comes out that makes more strategic sense.
In post 10340, Rad wrote:Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.
Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.
If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.
If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.
Find other scum in meantime. Bella resolves tonight potentially with PD safe or bella as tomorrow's flip. PD safe is highest priority here and if scum decides to leave them both alone tonight, they're fucked anyway.
Wasn't too keen on Rad's progression re Bella on the vote yesterday. Very keen at first, perhaps with no hope of saving Bella if scum, but then potentially opportunistically jumped on an opportunity to save Bella after all once DP was onboard and they had some cover and weren't necessarily fighting a losing case. Would make sense if Enchant was scum too given you'd potentially have one teammate bussing while another makes the defence.
I did think that the way Rad and DP were "I like this"ing and "+1"ing and "on point"ing each other approximately 100 times felt a little off. On one hand I could believe it being Rad trying to reinforce a pocket, but it is an odd move from someone who is fairly consensus townread to throw that away for a risky attempt at delaying a partner's death for one more Day.
I think it makes a bit more sense though when you consider Math's elimination the day before. If this was the first loss for scum there's probably no point in mounting a defence. But I think when they knew this was going to be their second elimination it'd make sense to at least try for the save - especially so when a much more active player starts to do so as well. And Rad could have easily felt like going for the save would make them look more townie because it was a potentially bold move when they knew Bella was going to come back as scum - indeed that seems to have been the effect for some players.
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