Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[camn]

I think I would like to see a qwints claim before I put him at -1

qwints soft-claimed vanilla at L-7 or something... then confirmed it later on.

And pops is right.. if you had simply read qwint's posts... which are few in number, you would have read that.

If you actually want to help this town win, you need to start playing better. Of course, if that is NOT your interest.. then by all means, carry on like you have been.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

9 to lynch

qwints: 7 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm)
hasdgfas: 4 (scotmany12, populartajo, sam.samhorn, qwints)
stark: 2 (Caboose, Tarhalindur)

Not Voting: 4 (stark, Korejora, Rogueben, farside22)

DEADLINE: Tuesday March 3rd, 10:00 PM EST

[Xylthixlm]

I'm shocked,

shocked

to find that Korejora is not voting qwints!

[Rogueben]

I think it's about time I give my opinions about the game, I was hoping more people would have responded to my questions but it's more important that I put my views on the table before the game goes to night.

A small analysis about each player:

DrippingGoofball

- Despite what a lot of people have said I have found her generally quite concise and mostly logical. From past experience I think she plays very aggressively as town, trying to provoke responses from people which is definitely congruous with this game. Her response to my question is what I should have expected. The point about my questions is interesting, I haven't copped that sort of opinion any other time I've done asked questions to begin with as a replacement. Regardless I think she is most likely town.

Yosarian2

- Oozes logic. Nothing particular that he has said has piqued my interest. The only worrying thing for me would be that he seems to come in as professor mafia a lot, solving theory issues and this could get him a free pass on scum-hunting. Something to watch for. His answer to my question was very good and has influenced my opinion on the qwints wagon to some degree. Town read, but someone to watch (that best manipulator wasn't won for nothing).

hasdgfas

- I think the one fishing incident with the vig is a definite scumtell, but only a very small one. I can understand his logic about a confirmed innocent being better than an unconfirmed vig so I think that diminishes the scumtell to some degree. His answer to my question is not unexpected, I was hoping for something a little more though, overall a cop-out response I think. Middle of the road but leaning slightly scum.

Korejora

- First post in the game was amusing but not overly useful. Since then has not really provided a lot and has spent a long time talking about her no day 1 voting policy. Has done practically no scum-hunting and nothing overly helpful. Same thing with CounselWolf who she replaced. Concerned that she is an active lurker. Scummy side of neutral.

Will continue in next post when I have more time.

[Tarhalindur]

I think I would like to see a qwints claim before I put him at -1

Remind me again why this guy isn't a candidate today? And why exactly are we narrowing our options to qwints and hasdgfas now to the exclusion of everyone else? I'd understand if deadline was tomorrow, but 4 days is plenty of time to run someone up from 0 votes to 9...

(Right now, I find qwints scummier than has, with the caveat that I'm comparing has's long summary post to a similar post in Mafia 86 (where he was town) and seeing if there are any significant differences, since I've seen him make such posts as town and it's the biggest point countering his scummy play early.

Also, stark is even scummier.

[Rogueben]

Xylthixlm

- Prolific poster. I think Xyl posts a lot without thinking about everything he's posting. Some of what he says is really logical and very pro-town but there have been a few things that he does/says that don't sit right with that. His initial lurker hunt against Jebus seemed like a giant cop-out. I don't want to get into a lurker policy lynch argument but I have to say that OGML seems to be doing a fairly good job of finding replacements, especially considering the pace of the game. I think the only lurkers that should be considered for a lurker lynch are "active lurkers", people posting heaps without any or a lot of content. Besides this I have pretty good feelings at this stage about Xyl. Neutral leaning town. (The argument between him and shea at the start I can't really explain but I think shea was just being a douche and trying to prove a point that was unnecessary).

qwints

The worst of the "active" lurkers around. Made a couple of good points at the start of the game but since then has done bugger all. The only thing that makes me wait on voting him is that I actually think there are better options for lynching. However, his lynch is still I think more likely than average to hit scum, which for day 1 is not bad.

camn

- Very abrupt playing style. I like camn's points from the read through. His answer to my question was well thought out and I think accurately summarizes the position in the game. Most pro-town person in the game in my opinion.

stark

- The things that he has said have been good. Terrible lurking has prevented much of a read though. Neutral leading protown.

crywolf20084

- I think she is the busy lurker. When she pops up she has good things to say but they are too infrequent. The answer to my question in post 1029 is one of the best answers I got and I think moves him to the pro-town side of neutral.

scotmany12

- I agree with whoever said at the beginning of the game scot didn't do a whole lot of scumhunting and focussed on the Jebus issue. I don't think this is his fault however as most times he was directly addressing things other people had either directed to him or said in response to something he said. I agree with his approach to lurkers like Jebus and think that what he was saying was valid. More recently he has presented a little more in the way of scumhunting but not a heap. At the moment I would put him at neutral.

More to come later.

[farside22]

Okay I'm reading the top 2 players in isolation.
Qwits. Sounds board. Mostly one liners and following and more following. Soft claimed vanilla. More one liners.
In short I think qwints is mostly board and behind in the game. I need to read Kmd's case on him but readin qwints alone I saw nothing but a board soul who is not helping the town. He seems bascially the way I feel.

[farside22]

Now on cow:

Not sure why cow pushes zwet's claim. Did he not watch braveheart? The problem with asking about a confirmed townie is you don't know if a doctor or protecting role exsist in the game so why out that person?

there are plenty of ways for a role to avoid getting NK'd. But even if the dayvig was NK'd, I don't find that to be a huge negative. Sure, we lose a power role, but the scum could easily have made a more crippling kill than a dayvig.

Excuse me?

Later cow makes a case on kmd but later backs off and joins the qwints BW with nothing to add or say on it.
Yes I have been quiet. I hate, hate, hate day 1 in large games. That's why I would rather replace in a large game then start in day 1.

Between cow and qwints just the solo read alone I think cow is scummier.
I know this will be an odd thing to be picky about but I didnt' get the I will be gone for 4 or 5 days you can replace me if neccessary comment. It's only 5 days why state that you could be replaced? What mod would replace someone who is going to be gone less then a week? Plus it comes when he is getting pressure about his wanting the vig to claim.
Know no I'm not saying he planned it his leave and the pressure. I'm saying stating he can be replaced looks like a cheap way out. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I also don't like his vote on qwints with nothing there.

vote: hascow

[Xylthixlm]

I think I would like to see a qwints claim before I put him at -1

Remind me again why this guy isn't a candidate today? And why exactly are we narrowing our options to qwints and hasdgfas now to the exclusion of everyone else? I'd understand if deadline was tomorrow, but 4 days is plenty of time to run someone up from 0 votes to 9...

The question is really whether we'll have enough time to run them back

down

if they claim cop at the last minute.

stark is a better lynch than hasdgfas, but qwints is safe enough for me.

[populartajo]

THIS WAGON IS A FUCKING JOKE

qwints: 7 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm)

All townies please unvote so that we can catch the obvious scum in this wagon.
READ MY WORDS: QWINTS LYNCH ISNT OPTYMAL.

[hasdgfas]

Now on cow:

Not sure why cow pushes zwet's claim. Did he not watch braveheart?

No, actually, I didn't watch braveheart. I wanted a flavor explanation for it.

The problem with asking about a confirmed townie is you don't know if a doctor or protecting role exsist in the game so why out that person?

I'd rather have a confirmed townie for at least one day than a dayvig who may or may not have shots left who still could get killed without having us being able to interact with him while we are pretty sure he's town.

Later cow makes a case on kmd but later backs off and joins the qwints BW with nothing to add or say on it.

Yes, I made a case on kmd, but after my time away from the game(and MS in general), I did some rereading and saw his qwints case a little better and didn't see a whole lot else that was all that scummy from him. It's interesting what some time away from a game can let you see when you come back to it.

Yes I have been quiet. I hate, hate, hate day 1 in large games. That's why I would rather replace in a large game then start in day 1.

Ok, I can understand that, but then why do you make posts like this when it doesn't take all that long to look at some posts and try to glean something from that?

Why isn't there more votes on me I've been too quiet this game.

I know this will be an odd thing to be picky about but I didnt' get the I will be gone for 4 or 5 days you can replace me if neccessary comment. It's only 5 days why state that you could be replaced? What mod would replace someone who is going to be gone less then a week?

In a deadlined game, some mods don't like people being gone for 5 days while saying that they're not going to be posting at all. It's usually "I'll try to post, but might not get a chance".

Plus it comes when he is getting pressure about his wanting the vig to claim.

No, it really doesn't. I got that immediately upon saying that, and at this point other things were going on with regards to me. Sure, the wanting the vig to claim was something people were asking me about, but that's happened since I said it, not just right before I left for a bit.

Know no I'm not saying he planned it his leave and the pressure. I'm saying stating he can be replaced looks like a cheap way out. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I also don't like his vote on qwints with nothing there.

I stated in all 3 games that I'm in that I was going to be gone and that the mods could replace me if necessary. I wanted to leave it up to them, because that's a not-insignificant amount of time to be gone, and it takes time to catch up once people get back, so I didn't want to be a liability to the game if the mod thought it would be a good idea if there was someone actually contributing and responding to stuff while I would have been completely ignoring everything.
What is there to add about qwints? He's said nothing all game and then when I voted for him, he goes and says "cow is doing whatever he can to stay alive" when A) trying to stay alive is not a scumtell, because both sides want to stay alive, and B) he didn't even try to defend himself or explain the points I had about his posts.

In addition, for people such as tajo, who are pointing out that qwints is always this useless, I point you to Mafia 83, where he was a very useful and contributive player, and also town. It's not as though he's somehow incapable of contributing. He can, why are we letting him skate by?

[DrippingGoofball]

Come on, slackers, if we want to do it, we can.

unvote, vote: stark

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm willing to revote qwints in a heartbeat if there's a need.

[populartajo]

Has, was qwints "useful" D1 in that game?

Unvote Vote:stark.

[hasdgfas]

Has, was qwints "useful" D1 in that game?

yes, actually, he was. I wouldn't call him one of the "top contributors", but he was actually bringing things to the game instead of just useless and inane comments like here.

[populartajo]

unvote

Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.

WTF? zwet was waggoned because he claimed miller and then unclaimed. The fact that he got vigged further points out that townie players thought he was scum. I find it hard to believe that zwet's antics will provide much useful information at this point.

Has, do you find these posts useless or inane?

[hasdgfas]

unvote

Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.

WTF? zwet was waggoned because he claimed miller and then unclaimed. The fact that he got vigged further points out that townie players thought he was scum. I find it hard to believe that zwet's antics will provide much useful information at this point.

Has, do you find these posts useless or inane?

The first one, no, but I find it scummy because he seems to be blindly trusting Caboose, which I think is a bad idea.

The second one is also scummy because he's trying to get the town to not look at every source of information we have.

So no, I don't find them useless or inane, but I do find them scummy, which is worse than useless or inane. Plus, even if they were considered "good" posts in this game, he made quite a few more than 2, even just in day 1 in the other game that were useful.

[populartajo]

Ok, we disagree.
Has, thoughts of stark?

[crywolf20084]

Has, was qwints "useful" D1 in that game?

yes, actually, he was. I wouldn't call him one of the "top contributors", but he was actually bringing things to the game instead of just useless and inane comments like here.

This. Word for word This.

[camn]

UNVOTE. VOte Stark

This is for you, pops. I feel like you are trying to tell us something.

Plus.. this post is really indicative of a poor level of reading comprehension.

I think I would like to see a qwints claim before I put him at -1

[Xylthixlm]

BANDWAGON!

unvote, vote stark

[sam.samhorn]

Why is hasdgfas not lynched? Why does qwintz have a wagon on him? This is terrible.

[camn]

Why, sam? PLease explain.

[hasdgfas]

Has, thoughts of stark?

Would prefer a qwints lynch, but am willing to switch if necessary.
Tajo, what makes stark different than qwints in terms of "lynchability"?

[scotmany12]

Has, was qwints "useful" D1 in that game?

Unvote Vote:stark.

So why are you voting for stark? Him and Qwints have been very similar. I mean, you can't be voting for stark for being useless cause you said it yourself that uselessness is not a scumtell.