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xvart wrote:You were one of the people questioning the legitimacy of the "working for stars" flavor claim, so my question was directed at you. Do you think that becoming a cop wanting to be a PI is more legitimate than a bodyguard wanting to go work as a celebrity bodyguard?

Yes.

xvart wrote:Does Andy's flavor claim leave you unaffected in terms of your case on dram?

Yes.

Well, to elaborate more, my "case" (if you want to call it that) about dram's FLAVOR wasn't necessarily the strongest thing I presented against him.
The most convincing (for me at least) is the meta, the attitude, similarity to past games I've had with him, and his response to any and all pressure.

Dram needs to be swingin'. Today.


That is all.

Actually I could go for a nice ooba/Faraday/Yos2 lynch as well. They all give me the willies.

Make up your minds.
Dram is scum, andrius is scum, dram scum, andy scum. WTF?
Choose a person and lynch him.

vezokpiraka wrote:

holster
aim dramonic

Make up your minds.
Dram is scum, andrius is scum, dram scum, andy scum. WTF?
Choose a person and lynch him.

Um, what do you think, Vez? And why do you think those are the only two options?

I can tell you, we're absolutely not lynching the claimed cop Andrius today.

I don't really see a dramonic lynch either at this point, although after a few days of him not saying much, I'm less willing to defend him now, and want to hear more from him about who he thinks is scum. Still, at the moment, I think we have better suspects.

ReaperCharlie wrote:Furc is town,

And then, literally 1 minute later:

ReaperCharlie wrote:

Yosarian2 wrote:What do you mean, you "wash your hands of it"? You've been trying to prevent a furcolow lynch for quite a while now, Reaper, and you can't just "wash your hands" of that so you don't look bad when he's lynched and flips cult leader.

Just realized; this statement would be a pretty epic bus.

So, you're defending Furc, you're sure he "is town", but you still are trying to connect me with him at the same time to try to make me look bad when he flips scum, hmm? Interesting.

Otherwise, if you're that sure Furc is town, I don't know why you'd be trying to figure out who was bussing him. Dosn't make sense.

Furcolow (Porochaz, Erg0, Lord Gurgi, Yosarian2, gandalf5166, zwetschenwasser, xvart)
dramonic (Andrius, TheLonging, animorpherv1, Friend, ReaperCharlie, vezokpiraka)
Andrius (Me=Weird, ooba, Faraday, dramonic, Furcolow)
ReaperCharlie (Chronopie)

Mr. Flay wrote:

[5]

Andrius (Me=Weird, ooba, Faraday, dramonic, Furcolow)

[1]

ReaperCharlie (Chronopie)

Holstered: inHimshallibe

What are these people doing???

Dramonic votes please.

Yosarian2 wrote:

ReaperCharlie wrote:Furc is town,

And then, literally 1 minute later:

ReaperCharlie wrote:

Yosarian2 wrote:What do you mean, you "wash your hands of it"? You've been trying to prevent a furcolow lynch for quite a while now, Reaper, and you can't just "wash your hands" of that so you don't look bad when he's lynched and flips cult leader.

Just realized; this statement would be a pretty epic bus.

So, you're defending Furc, you're sure he "is town", but you still are trying to connect me with him at the same time to try to make me look bad when he flips scum, hmm? Interesting.

Otherwise, if you're that sure Furc is town, I don't know why you'd be trying to figure out who was bussing him. Dosn't make sense.

Yes. That was what might be called an epiphany -- a stream-of-thought realization that somehow you two were scum together... that that'd be a pretty nice bus.

i.e. not just me speaking out of both sides of my mouth.

Comprende?

The Andrius lynch isn't happening. RC is getting more scummy by the second. Just 'washing his hands' of a wagon and moving right along to Yos, whom you . I don't know why Yos would be bussing day one unless he was trying to lose dead weight, in which case one scum is dead anyway since you . Reaper, if you think it's a bus, is that a reason to get off it rather than just run it through?

The dramonic wagon is just as ill-advised. Why are we proposing to lynch a claimed bodyguard day one?

How many power roles have been outed now? Why are we trying to lynch them all?

I'd like to know ooba and Faraday's opinion on the wagon situation now.

I have a idea. Have dramonic bodyguard Andrius. Hopefully you can work out the logic from here.

IMO, dram is scum. We lynch him, and if he is town, we lynch Andrius. Problem solved.

Also, proven role =/= proven alignment.

And if they're both town then we're screwed.

animorpherv1 wrote:IMO, dram is scum. We lynch him, and if he is town, we lynch Andrius. Problem solved.

Also, proven role =/= proven alignment.

On what planet does this lining up lynches make any sense coming from a town perspective?

xvart.

Oh my god so many pages stop posting so much. Hold on hold on, you mean dramonic isn't lynched yet? Come on guys.

Lord Gurgi wrote:Yos, whom you

do not lynch day one

.

Lord Gurgi wrote:you

don't lynch Yos day one

.

And may I ask why not?

If there was night 0 recruiting (such as seems to be popular consensus), then pure and simple logic would dictate that scum with any brains at all would want to grab him, a renowned mafiascum player, to be part of their faction ASAP, would it not?

And that by result means that there is a greater chance that he's scum than anyone else, right?

And that's not even COUNTING the probability that he might be the original scum recruiter. So... remind me again why we do not lynch Yos day one? Is he that indispensable to the town? I haven't seen anything very impressive thus far from either him or you. In fact, you seem to be on a lot of people's scum lists, yourself...

And really, now that I look back at it, your entire post that I'm replying to, looks like you're just trying your best to win townie points.

animorpherv1 wrote:IMO, dram is scum. We lynch him, and if he is town, we lynch Andrius. Problem solved.

Also, proven role =/= proven alignment.

And that is why you're getting lynched so often.

ReaperCharlie, 1114 wrote:

Lord Gurgi wrote:Yos, whom you

do not lynch day one

.

Lord Gurgi wrote:you

don't lynch Yos day one

.

And may I ask why not?

If there was night 0 recruiting (such as seems to be popular consensus), then pure and simple logic would dictate that scum with any brains at all would want to grab him, a renowned mafiascum player, to be part of their faction ASAP, would it not?

Yes/No

And that by result means that there is a greater chance that he's scum than anyone else, right?

Yes/No

And that's not even COUNTING the probability that he might be the original scum recruiter. So... remind me again why we do not lynch Yos day one? Is he

really

that indispensable to the town? I haven't seen anything very impressive thus far from either him or you. In fact, you seem to be on a lot of people's scum lists, yourself...

And really, now that I look back at it, your entire post that I'm replying to, looks like you're just trying your best to win townie points.

Talked about skewed data, not to mention the obvious WIFOM. If you came to such an obvious conclusion don't you think the recruiter would, too; and therefore not recruit him?

And, what probability that he was the original recruiter? 2/20? 1/10? This is the weakest most bat shit crazy justification for lynching someone.

xvart.

xvart.

While that a pretty nice

WIFOMnuke™

... it still doesn't alleviate my concerns in the least.

Dram is coasting under pressure to my utter befuddlement

animorpherv1 wrote:IMO, dram is scum. We lynch him, and if he is town, we lynch Andrius. Problem solved.

Also, proven role =/= proven alignment.

So...you want to lynch the claimed bodyguard and then the claimed cop, for no apparent reason?

What would dram flipping town have to do with Andrius's alignment? Andrius made quite clear that he dosn't have any role based info on dram.

DERP. Somewhere along the lines, I thought he said he did.

I take back that post.

Lord Gurgi wrote: I have a

fantastic

idea. Have dramonic bodyguard Andrius. Hopefully you can work out the logic from here.

This is a reasonable idea, at least if the scum can't recruit power roles and have to kill them instead (which is what my hunch would be).

If Andruis is nightkilled tonight, then we assume Dram was BSing about being a bodyguard and lynch him tommorow.

If Andrius is not killed, then either A: Dramonic soaks up a nightkill and keeps the cop alive, avoiding a mislynch; B: Dramonic is scum and decided to not kill Andrius to make himself look better, in which case the cop lives another night and we get another investigation, or C: Dramonic is town and the scum don't try to kill the cop tonight in order to try to mislynch dramonic tommorow instead, in which case the cop lives another night and we get another investigation.

Looks like a win/win/win scenerio for the town to me.

Franky, especially now that Furcolow and RC have forced our cop to claim on day 1 for horrible reasons, I don't think we can afford to lynch our claimed protective role today if we want our cop to live for another day.

I do want to get a firm commintment before we end the day that Dram will protect Andrius tonight, no matter what his personal feelings are, and a response from Dramonic making clear that he understands that if Andrius is nightkilled tonight that Dramonic will be lynched tommorow, no question.

Dramonic, please respond to this post saying that you understand, and please do it fast. We're running out of daylight here.

k that sounds reasonable, Yos.

So who do you suggest we lynch? I'm not down for lynching furcolow.