A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)


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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:33 am

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I ran out of energy as I was going through this, but here's my quick ISO of Feysal. Gonna have a blitz at TheLonging and see if he made sense as a kill from anyone in particular but I reckon within half an hour the vote will have landed...

Feysal wrote:In particular, I see two of our distinguished guests accusing each other at the drop of a hat. I have encountered interpersonal feuds before, and I have to wonder if this could be an instance of such. The feud, if indeed it is one, would be something I would be weary to draw conclusions from.

I read the foregoing communique and perhaps betraying a subconscious awareness that Sir Hoppster's spat with our fellow gentleman TS was a most gentlemanly duel on both sides...thereby revealing Feysal's possession of interior- and superior-knowledge. This theme is continued here where Feysal seems to put faith in TS meta and Hoppster for self-voting. These seem rather weak reasons. I also don't particularly like Feysal's use of meta, but that will be reserved for later.

Feysal wrote:Having arrived at what appears to be the end of the stage reserved for votes of an arbitrary nature I see no reason to inscribe a name on my ballot at this time. More reading and background checks may be necessary if I am to divine the motivations of the gathered illustrious personages.

One cannot hope to change the flow of history without having one's voice heard, and it is infinitely better to speak than to remain silent in these matters...'tis a personal despair of mine, to see those who enjoy suffrage to throw their privilege away!

Feysal wrote:Only now I see Twistedspoon stands at L-1. I did not realize we were that close to lynch, and did not see the vote count until after posting.

This changes the situation somewhat. Under the circumstances, a claim from Twistedspoon is probably necessary. What that claim is might not be a great surprise though... I thought I had seen a soft claim from him earlier.

I have to wonder why Sir Feysal might want a claim when he's been trying to derail the carriage hurtling towards TS. Could it be because he secretly does not mind that TS is close to a lynch, and securing a claim is one of the easiest ways to see it through?

Feysal wrote:I see Sir Hoppster is being suspected for his involvement in Twistedspoon's death. The question I'm asking myself now is, is he the type of player to tunnel aggressively as mafia? That kind of zeal has the effect of looking very townish to many, but I've met few players bold enough to behave like that as mafia.

I am left agog that the tunnelling on town argument served the deduction that Hoppster is town, and yet for me, it made me more likely to be a knave, despite (a) it being null at the very least, and (b) actually being a towntell if you look into the meta properly. Since Sir Feysal seems to rely heavily on meta for guidance, I'm surprised he never acknowledged the difference between tunnelling on a scumbuddy and tunnelling on town in my defence, especially given recourse to this point he has made as regards Hoppster.

Feysal wrote:Surprisingly, it seems to me that Lord Hur emerges from this confrontation mostly unblemished. I have been at the receiving end of a scum attack where I was overwhelmed by large wall posts, and though I did well in my defense, my time allotted to hunting villains was so diminished that it convinced others to vote for my death.

An most odd post. Once more, Feysal seems to acknowledge the gentlemanly aspect of the battle between lord_hur and I - or at least it must seem that way since he does not go on to call me scum. And yet, he aligns the townread of lord_hur with coping under a "scum attack", without going on to call my participation scummy. Most interesting indeed.

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jilynne1991 [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3084971#p3084971]#610[/url] wrote:Feysal, may I ask your first impression of me? Also, what could I do better? (Actually could as many people as possible answer this question? Thank you.)

Well, the first thing that caught my eye about you was your first two posts. You first said you would post after reading the thread, and only 26 minutes later you declared town reads on inHim, Sir Hoppster and myself. At that point I had to wonder what those reads were based on, I mean, I am not the fastest reader myself but I don't think anyone could read the game that quickly. Unfounded reads are a common mafia tell, just so you know, especially if they change when it seems convenient.

I see that Sir Feysal is potentially coaching Jily here. I see imaginality's point regarding Jily's association with Feysal too.

Feysal wrote:No, that was L-1. Next vote would be the hammer, so don't. I have a town read on Lord Hur, and I really don't want to lynch one of our few members who actively contributes.

Here is the potentail masquerading as a saint that I spoke of earlier.

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- The reasons I've mentioned before have not changed, and I continue to believe him town. I am aided in this by the fact that we are both in another ongoing game, where I did a meta investigation of him. This suggested that tunneling as he has done is a town tell for him, despite the fact that he was proven wrong.

It's interesting that all that meta changes from a single example out of however many counterbalanced it.
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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:36 am

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Ehh, TL was probably killed due to DemonHybrid (it sounds like they've played together a bunch from his ISO).

Feysal, if you're town, please use the next half an hour to convince me as much. Otherwise, the hammer falls.
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:41 am

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Do I give him a chance to respond? :\
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:23 am

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AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259651#p3259651]#1101[/url] wrote:Feysal, if you're town, please use the next half an hour to convince me as much. Otherwise, the hammer falls.

To do it in half an hour would've been a tall order, even if I had been there to see your post at the time. But, I'll delve into your ISO of me next, and see what I can do.
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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:48 am

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Yeah, I was being overzealous with asking for it in "half an hour" xD
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:52 am

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AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:I read the foregoing communique and perhaps betraying a subconscious awareness that Sir Hoppster's spat with our fellow gentleman TS was a most gentlemanly duel on both sides... thereby revealing Feysal's possession of interior- and superior-knowledge. This theme is continued here where Feysal seems to put faith in TS meta and Hoppster for self-voting. These seem rather weak reasons. I also don't particularly like Feysal's use of meta, but that will be reserved for later.

What I meant about Hoppster and Twistedspoon attacking each other is exactly what I said. Neither had an apparent reason or provocation to do so, which made it look like their fight was a continuation of something that had happened between them in a past game, and therefore meaningless for the purpose of determining their alignments this game. I can't recall if I mentioned it in this game, but I have been in a game where two feuding players in opposite mafia teams tried to kill each other on night zero. I suspected something similar between Hoppster and Twistedspoon.

As for the meta on Twistedspoon and Hoppster self-voting, I do use those tells, particularly when I have nothing stronger available. If I may remind you of why I replaced into TGtN, it was because the meta read I had on Twistedspoon was enough to convince me of him being town, and since I prefer playing as town I replaced into his slot. I have also never seen mafia self vote on the site I come from, and even on this site I've only seen mafia self vote when it is a quickhammer, for the purpose of stopping discussion. I stand by what I said then.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:One cannot hope to change the flow of history without having one's voice heard, and it is infinitely better to speak than to remain silent in these matters... 'tis a personal despair of mine, to see those who enjoy suffrage to throw their privilege away!

I am not fond of casting my vote lightly, not even during RVS, and that phase had already ended.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:I have to wonder why Sir Feysal might want a claim when he's been trying to derail the carriage hurtling towards TS. Could it be because he secretly does not mind that TS is close to a lynch, and securing a claim is one of the easiest ways to see it through?

On the contrary, I feel that claiming is one of the strongest moves a town player can do in his defense.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:I am left agog that the tunnelling on town argument served the deduction that Hoppster is town, and yet for me, it made me more likely to be a knave, despite (a) it being null at the very least, and (b) actually being a towntell if you look into the meta properly. Since Sir Feysal seems to rely heavily on meta for guidance, I'm surprised he never acknowledged the difference between tunnelling on a scumbuddy and tunnelling on town in my defence, especially given recourse to this point he has made as regards Hoppster.

I looked at Hoppster's past games and found no examples of him tunnelling on town as mafia, therefore I considered it a town tell. I also considered it a town tell for you, until you so dramatically proved that your meta is not to be trusted. Any meta that a player is aware of can be played to and exploited, and after putting my faith in your meta once with disastrous results, I am not inclined to do so again.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:An most odd post. Once more, Feysal seems to acknowledge the gentlemanly aspect of the battle between lord_hur and I - or at least it must seem that way since he does not go on to call me scum. And yet, he aligns the townread of lord_hur with coping under a "scum attack", without going on to call my participation scummy. Most interesting indeed.

It was not my intention to imply that your attack was suspicious. I was simply reminded of my own experience fighting an attack of wall posts, and the way Lord Hur handled the situation gave me a town read on him. I still had a town read on you as well, believing that you would not tunnel the way you did as mafia.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:I see that Sir Feysal is potentially coaching Jily here. I see imaginality's point regarding Jily's association with Feysal too.

In my defense, Jilynne was asking plenty of questions of Lord Hur as well. This one was directed at me, so I answered.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:Here is the potentail masquerading as a saint that I spoke of earlier.

And I already answered to this at the time you did. Moving on...

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3259649#p3259649]#1100[/url] wrote:It's interesting that all that meta changes from a single example out of however many counterbalanced it.

I think that I explained at some point why I consider tunnelling to be a town tell. It stands out and can make the tunneller look suspicious, and I've met few players bold enough to do that as mafia. You've proven to me now that you are one of them, and so is Hoppster for the way he pushed the mislynch of Twistedspoon in their other game. The reason I consider tunnelling to be a town tell does not apply to you, therefore the tell itself has ceased to apply to you.
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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:33 am

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[quote="Feysal]On the contrary, I feel that claiming is one of the strongest moves a town player can do in his defense.[/quote]
But doesn't increasing the number of claims "in the field" make life easier for scum?

[quote="Feysal]I looked at Hoppster's past games and found no examples of him tunnelling on town as mafia, therefore I considered it a town tell. I also considered it a town tell for you, until you so dramatically proved that your meta is not to be trusted. Any meta that a player is aware of can be played to and exploited, and after putting my faith in your meta once with disastrous results, I am not inclined to do so again.[/quote]
=_=" But you've still found no examples of me "tunneling on town as mafia" - this is my major gripe. I don't know whether to treat your adamance in the meta-aspect, especially when proven wrong, as a stubborn towntell or a desperate scumtell...ugh
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:34 am

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...oops I missed a " out and now my quotes are ugly.
The worst thing is that Wraith won't be here to change it back until tomorrow =3

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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:32 am

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Ehh... Y.

1094 rang more as caught scum than about-to-be-mislynched town.
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:52 am

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Vote: Feysal


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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:54 am

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AND SO THE TROLLING COMMENCES

I'm totally town. For srs.

imaginality, are you town?
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:57 am

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I'm scum. I just wanted to be confirmed town by not quickhammering.

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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:58 am

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I'm town.

Aurorus you better be kidding.
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:01 am

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*flips coin*

I'm still town.
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:02 am

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*flips coin*

I was joking. I'm scum. AV is my scumbuddy. Nice work AV!
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:09 am

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Imaginality-AV-Jily scumteam ftw ;)

I fully expect Hoppster to be scum.
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:44 am

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I'm totally town, I swearrrrrrrrrr.

I played terribly this game though. >>
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:41 pm

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the hopefully-honorable Sir Hoppster in post 1099 wrote:We can troll each other in twilight.


One wonders what a suitably gentlemanly term for this is. Possibly 'headsmanship', for the way in which a well-crafted troll is designed to mess with the target's head.

As in, "Lord Vox, post 1111 was a fine piece of headsmanship. I nearly dropped my pipe."

Or, "Sir Hoppster, your posts this page make me want to believe you are a gentleman, but if they turn out to be headsmanship from a scoundrel, you'll be taking your popped corn in a very different orifice than nature intended."
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:55 pm

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I'll be on this tomorrow
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:19 pm

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I think I can post...now, since Feysal is hammered. Ha. town loses. nice job scum. who wants to guess who scum was?
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:24 pm

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hey, anyways, AV, nice job being scum (in case you guys haven't noticed, Feysal was scum...nice.)
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:20 pm

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The number of "r"s that Hoppster utilises makes me sob into my kerchief with fear that my worksman's tool was misguided.
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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:02 pm

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Wraith said we could post once the hammer happened. I'm scum with inHim.
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:34 pm

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If Sir Hoppster is indeed a villain, the boldness of his play D1 earned him his victory.

Sir Hoppster, if villain indeed you are, I request you to remember I voted you nary once all game. I am no threat to you and will gladly be tutored in the arts of villainry. Your comrade jilynne1991 lies dead, after all: it seems to me you would certainly be glad of a new accomplice to drive your getaway stagecoach?
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:41 pm

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I put a lot of faith into him asking for an extension. I tunnelled on him as town for that for most of the game. Outright defending TownJily would be very bold, but it did give me pause...but Feysal didn't really convince me he was town enough for me to turn on Hoppster at the end...ugh...maybe Feysal did his best and I was blinkered into tunnelling on town like with lord_hur...>_>

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