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Yea, SK be trollin.

Im of to bed, so catch up in morning.

No, I'm not trolling. I'm either surrounded by larger idiots then myself, or scum.

SK, so you are willing to trust the word of the uncc'd cop's guilty that we should let him live because of some vague description of being able to pass on some document?

Even if YOU are town and have a similar document, there is nothing to guarantee that scum do not also have either documents themselves or at the very least knowledge that documents exist or the ability to receive a fake claim from the mod.

SK, I hope for your own sake you are trolling.

I'm not saying give Quil kill immunity conftown status. But jason/Tragedy/Cosca/you are all far scummier, and he needs a chance to pass his papers.

Scumhunter wrote:You got this document from someone else or from your role PM?

From my role PM.

Scumhunter wrote:What is the name of your document?

It doesn't have a name.

Scumhunter wrote:Do you know what happens if someone gets a hold of all of them?

Something important, apparently.

Scumhunter wrote:so you are willing to trust the word of the uncc'd cop's guilty

1) We don't actually know if he's a cop
2) I'm a miller


You're completely dead set on me being scum and it's just because the cop has a guilty on me. I don't get it.

jasonT1981 wrote:Since I believe Quilford is scum, It is my job to try and discredit his arguments and show him up as scum.

Doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it. Or disagree with every single thing he says.
For nut's sake, Jason, you're making yourself more scummier the way you're trying to 'discredit' Quil.

Quilford wrote:

Scumhunter wrote:so you are willing to trust the word of the uncc'd cop's guilty

1)

We don't actually know if he's a cop

2) I'm a miller


You're completely dead set on me being scum and it's just because the cop has a guilty on me. I don't get it.

Bolded is 110% a slip. Your role PM says you are a miller and you don't think we have a cop in the setup?
Also, your answers to my questions were very very helpful. /sarcasm

Have you ever heard of a Red Herring?
And bitingmytongueabouthowstupidyouare.

SleepyKrew, oh please please explain why I am stupid. I wait with baited breath oh moron of morons. must...stop....feeding...troll

He didn't say there isn't a cop. He said Zang might not be Cop.
Plus, fake guilty, AtEs, etc.

SleepyKrew, you make me lose faith in the human race. Seriously. If there was a cop other than Zang, they wouldn't have claimed by now why exactly? Oh wait! I know! You aren't thinking at all!

I understand the explanation of why I did what I did goes way over your head. Its okay. I don't mind stupid people. Actually I'm friends with quite a few. I just hate it when morons like you pretend like you actually have a clue about anything. That confidence coming from an ignorant fuck is rage-inducing and probably the reason for why genocide happens.

Scumhunter wrote:

Quilford wrote:

Scumhunter wrote:so you are willing to trust the word of the uncc'd cop's guilty

1)

We don't actually know if he's a cop

2) I'm a miller


You're completely dead set on me being scum and it's just because the cop has a guilty on me. I don't get it.

Bolded is 110% a slip.

Your role PM says you are a miller and you don't think we have a cop in the setup?
Also, your answers to my questions were very very helpful. /sarcasm

Bolded is 110% you being desperate scum. SK is right. I didn't say there isn't a cop. And just because I'm a miller doesn't mean there's a cop in the setup: this game was advertised as "slightly bastard", after all, and I've seen at least one setup before that had a miller but no cop (and it garnered a lot of attention).

Quilford, you are better as town than this to not even consider me being town here.

Zang, can you come in here and hammer your guilty already? k thx.

1) there is such a thing as miller without a cop;
2) that said zang should be near-confirmed town to quilford since zang got a guilty on quilford;
3) see post 1113.

You better hope papers get passed onto the Executioner, then.

And don't forget to organise your nightkill.

Ok, I'm starting my wall at page 38. If you want me to post about something before then please tell me.

You can just read what I quoted from you. Everything I want all town to read I have bolded. I'm sorry if I repeat myself, misquote, etc.

Implosion wrote:Also: we need to choose a night executioner. I would vote for either myself or Zang a second time, at this point.

I would rather I be executioner but because I did previously say that nobody should be selected as executioner twice, if the town prefers implosion as executioner then im fine with it.

ML wrote:SK: If you are town, why in hell were you considering faking a cop

Couldn't this also be applied to scumhunter?

ML wrote:I am calling for SK to claim

Why? He is currently in no danger of being executed, all you would be doing is outing a town power role.

SK wrote:I will also confirm that is was me who hypothesized that the killer takes papers

Where did you post this?

ML wrote:Alright, caught up, and with tons to say. Given the amount of information there is, I am going to attempt to keep this concise. First things first, my reads before I woke up today.. AKA before anything with any cop claims:

What are your reads now, after the cop claim?

ML wrote:why would anyone not want to be day executioner?

Why would anyone want to be day executioner? All they are is a vessel to kill who the town decides.

ML wrote:I believe there is a possibility that we have 4 scum, not definite, but possible.

I strongly doubt that unless it's two scum teams or one scum team and a traitor in which case, they couldn't coordinate with each other to elect an executioner.

ML wrote:Is Quil mafia or miller? 50/50 chance, no way to prove since CC mentioned documents first

So if he claimed documents first then he would be more likely to be town?

ML wrote:If SH is town, as I strongly believe he is,

Why do you think that?

ML wrote:If asked for a case I will provide.

That would be nice.

SH wrote:Medicated Lain, thank you I think I love you. I've been waiting for someone to look past the "omg scummy" part of me counterclaiming and analyzing my possible motives for doing so. Very clear town motives. Suicidal as scum.

I see the town motives for it but I also see the scum motives. The town motives are exactly the same as the scum motives just with a different alignment, it's as suicidal for town as it is for scum.

SH wrote:This day has turned into a "shut up and kill SH" game

If it's a “shut up and kill SH” game then why have we been debating over who to kill for the past 10 pages while in a normal mafia game, you would have been lynched 9 pages ago?

ML wrote:Zang, Implosion, who would you kill tonight? (hint: the correct answer is MOI, unless proof can be shown to me why it would be bad.)

Ill be killing whoever of Quilford/SH is not killed today if I am elected executioner. Like I said, I will investigate Magna so he will not be killed.

SH wrote:(I'd honestly be surprised if I made it through the day here unless he reconsiders what you are saying).

I'm not deciding who is killed, the town is.

ML wrote:I see no reason why it makes sense to let Quil live to night

If he is town, he can pass on his papers.

ML wrote:Assume Quil is mafia and SH is not. Quil knows his death is coming, and is throwing a townie under the wheel before he dies. Seems likely.

But couldn't this also be said-

Assume SH is mafia and Quil is not. SH knows his death is coming, and is throwing a townie under the wheel before he dies. Seems likely.

ML wrote:SK stated earlier that he believes that papers pass on to the killer when someone dies, he verified this last page. So if that's true

Didn't he also state though that he didn't know and that when he asked the mod, he said that he couldn't say. We have no way to know if that's true or not so if it isn't then we need Quilford to pass on his papers.

Quilford wrote:Why would scum have papers. They would never pass them on.

No, they would pass them on just not to the town.

ML wrote:Scum do not get to choose who they kill in this game, so they need to come up with whatever ways they can to push kills on town. If Quil dies and is mafia, what do you guys think the chances that SH is mafia? I'd say just about 0. Quil is likely pushing a town kill before his own demise.

I agree. Except I think that it's much more likely that SH is pushing Quilford as a town kill before his own demise because Quilford acknowledges that either way he is going to die while SH continues to use AtE and plead for his life.

ML wrote:Because there is a guilty on you, and we have no way to prove that you are not lying about being a miller, other than to kill you. You are either a miller, or scum. And if you are a miller, it is easier to assume that there is a 3 person scum team, have you been reading anything I've said here?

That only answers his first question. Besides the claim, why do you think he is scum?

Cosca wrote:OK. Please hold off executing until it has been posted, which, as I mentioned, may take several days until the other head of the hydra has returned.

I'll wait.

Cosca wrote:I'd prefer to have an executioner who agrees at least somewhat with our reads go over the votes. Why listen to a scum player or a VI when deciding the execution

I don't understand.

Cosca wrote:Also there is the case of a stalemate with an equal number of votes for the top two candidates. What would you do in such a situation?

I'll decide what to do in that situation if that happens.

Cosca wrote:Finally, there is the night execution which will be decided by the executor alone (which must be agreed upon first), or would you also want to hold a vote for it?

No, I was talking about the day executioner.

And none of these answered my question.

Cosca wrote:If we'd fallen for the Scumhunter/MoI gambit and there had been no Zang counter-claim, Scumhunter would be dead but MoI practically conftown.

Why are you so sure that it is a giant gambit? I still find it very unlikely that they planned all of that beforehand just to make Magna, who is seen as town by the majority of town, appear confirmed town.

Cosca wrote:Do you know the exact voting mechanics and the number and nature of scum players? No? Then you haven't proven anything.

I see no situation where town votes don't outnumber scum votes.

Cosca wrote:SK is an incredibly annoying idiot, but he is an incredibly annoying town idiot.

I completely agree with this.

Jason wrote:Well given there is a cop guilty on Quil, and he is claiming to have papers... isnt this a logical change of mind and not so out of the blue like you are making it?

But ML said that scum wouldn't have papers and that Quilford is scum both after I claimed guilty on him and he claimed to have papers.

Jason wrote:exactly.. AFTER the guilty.

Are you purposefully ignoring what SK is saying?

ML wrote:This is what I am talking about SK, what did you mean by this post?

1.You said he was a roleblocker not a rolecop.
2.That post had nothing to do with him considering to fake claim a rolecop.

ML wrote:Of course my ideas are changing, I just read about 40 pages of game and then jumped right in at about the craziest point possible! Then I start communicating ideas... you think it's bad to theorize any possibility you can think of? We are not 100% certain on the info given to us, so we have to think of what possible choices make the most sense to benefit the town

It's ok to theorize new ideas, I think it should be encouraged. It's different though when one one post you say something and the next post you say something that contradicts the first without saying that you were just theorizing.

ML wrote:Looking at everything that SK is saying right now, my scumdar on SK is going through the roof

Mine is doing the exact opposite. SK is making a lot of sense right now.

ML wrote:changing an opinion does not count as fence sitting!

It does when you change your opinion on the same thing several times in only a few pages.

ML wrote:Everyone knew you were going to be nigh executioner, if you killed a claimed pro town role on night one, of course it would be your death bed today!

No because as you've said everybody saw him as town then, he could have easily have said that he didn't believe SK and the town would most likely believe him.

ML wrote:A bigger question would be, if you sincerely believe that either SK or I were actually scum, as you have just listed we were some of your top reads, then why would you NOT have killed either of us? You had the opportunity, and if you really thought that we were scum, then I assume you would have killed one of us. So why didn't you?

He also listed havingfitz as one of his top scum reads which is who he did kill. If you were given the choice to kill between one of your top scum reads who claimed a power role and one of your top scum reads who didn't claim a power role which would you pick?

ML wrote:HF was the one player in this game who was willing to question your ideas, and wonder about you. We already know that you killed HF, unlike a regular mafia game.. the question in this game is is why? And this is the answer that I see

That's a very weak reason to kill someone. Magna was barely being suspected by him and the mafia would have other members who aren't as pro-town as Magna that have people suspecting them a lot more than that and would need that person killed much more.

Cosca wrote:So you believe Zang should listen to you, vezok and SK?

There are more than 6 people in the game and i'm not listening to any individual group of players. I'm listening to myself and the town as a whole.

Cosca wrote:You know where we got the idea for a traitor from? From the first Execution Mafia. We already speculated about traitors and several scum factions here.

Another MoI lie noted

Besides the execution mechanic,

Cosca wrote:Once again, MoI invents a scumtell out of thin air and completely ignores what we actually wrote.

How can you invent a scumtell? As long as it is something that scum would do or is pro-scum then it is a scumtell, you can't just invent one.

Implosion wrote:You're the one who wanted to know why you're scum.

But you are the one who accused him of being scum.

SH wrote:aTe is not a scumtell you moron.

Not in small doses but when every post is filled with nothing but AtE then yes, it is scummy. Regardless though, it is anti-town.

SH wrote:You can speculate that MoI would be a good target to fake on, but no, you are wrong. He wouldn't be. If I were scum there is no way in hell I'd fake on MoI there. That's just poor play. You can call it wifom but its not. Its poor play. Scum play dictates securing easily attainable mislynches at little risk

No, scum play dictates securing mislynches by whatever means possible especially if that mislynch is one of the most pro-town players.

SH wrote:1) We don't actually know if he's a cop

I do and it can easily be claimed by you flipping scum or a miller and you should already know.

SH wrote:I understand the explanation of why I did what I did goes way over your head. Its okay. I don't mind stupid people. Actually I'm friends with quite a few. I just hate it when morons like you pretend like you actually have a clue about anything. That confidence coming from an ignorant fuck is rage-inducing and probably the reason for why genocide happens.

Regardless of your motives, your actions have been very stupid.

SH wrote:his game was advertised as "slightly bastard", after all, and I've seen at least one setup before that had a miller but no cop (and it garnered a lot of attention).

So then why would I have claimed cop with a guilty on you?


Ok, so far I have 6 votes to execute SH and 5 votes to kill Quilford. . However, I'll wait a little bit for Coscas case on Magna and for other discussion.

Also, I might not be able to post for a couple of days after this because of the hurricane.

I did not read anything in that wall that was not bolded.

Quilford wrote:

Scumhunter wrote:so you are willing to trust the word of the uncc'd cop's guilty

1) We don't actually know if he's a cop
2) I'm a miller


You're completely dead set on me being scum and it's just because the cop has a guilty on me. I don't get it.

So feel free to disbelieve me, but 1) was brought up as more of a theoretical point than anything. I'm not that desperate and we've had the "I'm a miller" conversation many times before.

Fucking terrible Zang. You have the execution vote (I voted for you btw) and you don't even have the fucking balls to make a decision on your own and hammer the fucking obv scum your own fucking guilty. If you are going to execute me because you are going to listen to the fucking scum woh tell you to do it then just do it again you faggot. id expect that shit out of SK but I thought you at least half a brain. YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED EXECUTIONER. and yes my behavior was suicidial but which alignment cares more about surviving. DINGDINGDING scum. i was trying to do what was necessary. also the fact that you want to execute me/quilford and the other tongiht is so fucking bad. given the pushback and amount of discussion today it shoudl be fucking obvious that one of us (Hint: me) is not fucking mafia. jesus christ lrn 2 logic. im done with you. make up your fucking mind. man up. if you are going to execute me. FUCKING DO IT. COME AT ME BRO.

scumhunter dearest why would I claim miller as scum

why
why
why

Quilford wrote:scumhunter dearest why would I claim miller as scum

why
why
why

...this is such a terrible question.

Like, do you REALLY need to ask for the scum motivation for claiming miller in your situation. Is it REALLY that not-incredibly-obvious.

implosion claiming miller as scum would ensure my death

as we can see quite clearly

I would've pushed the theory that Zang was scum or an insane cop. I'm not dumb enough to claim miller as scum, especially not after a cop guilty on me.

Quilford wrote:implosion claiming miller as scum would ensure my death

as we can see quite clearly

I would've pushed the theory that Zang was scum or an insane cop. I'm not dumb enough to claim miller as scum, especially not after a cop guilty on me.

LlamaFluff did the same thing and he is a better player than you.

Shut up and die scum.

Also if Zang doesn't execute Quilford today he's scum.