Experimental Role Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Hiraki]

Pine/Vijay is obvtown.

Oh don't worry.

AFter that flips scum

you're next.

[vijay2vasandani]

^ lol.

Sadly you're still town. Sometimes you're like my little brother I want to tie to a tree. Preferably upside down. Now lynch Faerie Lord with me.

[Hiraki]

no?

he's like obvobvobvobvobv town

[vijay2vasandani]

I'd bet with you but we can't. But I rarely lose money, so I'd trust me.

Stop being so hard headed.

[havingfitz]

Vijay....what is your case on FL? Is there more to it than because you agree with Pine's vote on him [FL]?

Same question to anyone else voting FL.

[havingfitz]

Majiffy...your

It's the thread-catchup that follows my second post in this game.

Yes...I realize that. It's still crap for the reasons I provided.

[FaerieLord]

FaerieLord: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4006134
IGMEOY

FaerieLord: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4008033
Terribad response.

It's already been discusses. I stand by those actions.
Amrun's case was good, I agreed. And whaddayafuckingknow, she (and in retrospect I) was right.

Anything else you're basing your votes on? I'd like to rebuke.

FaerieLord, I personally lynched pidgey because I thought his actions at the end of Day 1 were scummy AND his role was scummy. I was wrong.

I don't mind your vote as much, cause you were criticizing his play before, even though I still think that after pappums did what is almost a false claim, he should've been the vote. He purposefully lead a wagon by hiding information from town.

Pine/Vijay is obvtown.
And I'll hop on this wagon
VOTE: FaerieLord

Hey briz, welcome back! How are you?

Now,

Vote: Pappums

Not just cause of that terrible town leading,

Leeeets look at Pappums' ISO for a second

Post #1/#2/#4: Testing the waters to see which vote train would get going. Deathnote was under some pressure (even though he weirdly had no votes before this), then vote on Vi which I admit was atypical, but then he lands his vote on FG and leaves it there.

Side Note:

To those voting me cause of my blatant sheeping, what makes ISO#4 (Post #346) any different? I'd even say his is worse, cause he waited for the wagon to gain a bit of traction first.
Post #6-#10: Further pushing the FG wagon, curiously though away from the Tierce wagon, and I will get to why this is curious soon.
Post #11: Cop smiley. See that god damn smiley, he pushed himself as a cop. He lead the town unfairly an incorrectly
Post #13: Blatant fishing, still had an opportunity to say he didn't get a guilty, seeing the wagon gain so much traction
Post #14: Implying roleblock, further incriminating, still had an opportunity to say he didn't get a guilty
Post #15: Tries to excuse his actions 119 posts later. That's almost five pages of deceiving town. Gives three reasons, which are bollocks cause that breadcrumb was absolutely unnoticeable. Note how he also does all this after pidgey makes it clear that he's a liar and he can prove it. See also: Pidgey's 1022. He claimed pidgey was nervous scum cause of his claim, when pidgey hadn't even noticed it.

And after that, further justification. Now I also said that I found it curious that he defends Tierce. I say this because - #903: Tierce immediately notices the cop guilty, rather than thinking that it was an unexplained vote (something he had done before, like on Vi, which was barely explained).

When nobody gets it, she explains.
Now, this could have meant that either Tierce is one of the most diligent players I have ever seen deciding to ISO pappums immediately to see what his vote amongst a sea of votes meant, or it was pre-planned gambit during the night. Pappums just left his breadcrumbing early in the game in case he wanted to gambit, talked it through with Tierce, and decided to go ahead with it.

While gambits are usually really risky for scum, do note that 1) This would alleviate some of the insane pressure that was on Tierce 2) He could still hit scum due to the fact that there are possibly / probably more than one scum faction and / or survivors 3) be seen as townie due to this gambit, although this may be WIFOM.

So yeah,

vote: pappums

VoteInSpirit: Tierce[/b]

Also,

Fos: Briz

because pappums had interactions with him too in the past, along with him playing absolutely terribly.

[vijay2vasandani]

Well from the top of my head, the no replacement Amish tell. There are other stuff in my ISO if you want to take a look. Basically an Amish tell but without the replacement. I don't think town has any reason to look back and go "yeah I was scummy there" which you did in 491

[Majiffy]

Yes...I realize that. It's still crap for the reasons I provided.

Would you like to rustle my feathers? Because you're my other scumspect and I will come down hard on you if you'd like. I commented on the things that were incredibly necessary to point out / hadn't been discussed to death, rather than have a giant wall of shit everyone has already talked about. If you'd like to know why FL is scum, why don't you ISO him? It's pretty fucking obvious.

It's already been discusses. I stand by those actions.
Amrun's case was good, I agreed. And whaddayafuckingknow, she (and in retrospect I) was right.

Anything else you're basing your votes on? I'd like to rebuke.

1) It's blatant sheeping/bandwagoning, regardless of the discussion. And that's incredibly scummy. Also, what were you "right" about? FG hasn't flipped yet, so I don't see what you could be right about.

[Majiffy]

EBWOP: Sorry he has flipped *

Still, blatant sheeping is not a pro-town thing to be doing.

[FaerieLord]

If you'd like to know why FL is scum, why don't you ISO him? It's pretty fucking obvious.

1) It's blatant sheeping/bandwagoning, regardless of the discussion. And that's incredibly scummy. Also, what were you "right" about? FG hasn't flipped yet, so I don't see what you could be right about.

So...you're not giving him reasons. You're just telling him "Look it up, he's scum!!!" and hoping people will follow. Gotcha

Also, since you didn't read my post (thanks for that). What's the difference between my sheeping and pappums sheeping? There's a post number listed above. You're welcome

[Majiffy]

If you want me to reference pappum's play, put links next to your accusations.

[vijay2vasandani]

If you'd like to know why FL is scum, why don't you ISO him? It's pretty fucking obvious.

1) It's blatant sheeping/bandwagoning, regardless of the discussion. And that's incredibly scummy. Also, what were you "right" about? FG hasn't flipped yet, so I don't see what you could be right about.

So...you're not giving him reasons. You're just telling him "Look it up, he's scum!!!" and hoping people will follow. Gotcha

Also, since you didn't read my post (thanks for that).

What's the difference between my sheeping and pappums sheeping? There's a post number listed above. You're welcome

Same but about my post to you FL.

[Tammy]

Hi all! I'm replacing Parama.

I read the thread a couple days ago after coming home from a party and now can't remember all my thoughts. I need to read it again now, and I'm hungover *pout* I'll get to it later today.

I do remember feeling good about FaerieLord, Amrun, and Hiplop for whatever reasons.

I have slight scum reads on havingfitz and Bunnylover, but havingfitz doesn't feel right for scum to me. Had a strong scum read on Tierce day one; it faded a little on day two, but it's still there. (Oh and to whoever stated it. BB has replaced out of a game when he's been scum.)

I hate Majiffy's catch up posts where he does a link with a one line response to them but that's probably play style and not alignment indicative.

Okay though I did quickly look at this page and saw on of the reasons for FL being scum is an Amish tell that's not really Amish. It caught my eye because recently I replaced into a game and commented on my predecessors moronic posts and got the "aha Amish scum tell!" except I wasn't scum. It's stupid anyway, anyone is capable of noting whether or not an action taken by themselves or their predecessor is scummy and admitting to it. It doesn't make them scum...doesn't make them town either...it just means they're capable of admitting that they did something that someone could construed as scummy.

[vijay2vasandani]

I think the difference is you essentially called your predecessor a moron, where the Amish tell solely applies to people saying the previous actions were scummy.

[Majiffy]

I've admitted my slot was scummed up by a previous player replacing in as a town role before. Amish tell isn't a legitimate tell IMO.

[AurorusVox]

vote: bunnylover

I think this is a vote we can all agree on.

Tammy, you town?

[FaerieLord]

If you want me to reference pappum's play, put links next to your accusations.

Iso #4. Is it really that hard to find? https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p4007141 - There you go.

Same but about my post to you FL.

I didn't see a question? Readdress it and I'll happily answer.
Also, I have no idea what an Amish Tell is, but from what I gather it involves predecessors, which I have none?

[FaerieLord]

Oh, ok: Found your concern, looked up 491. I said my action could be construed as scummy, not is scummy. Big difference. I still stand by it though, and say it moved town to action.

[AurorusVox]

Majiffy is just being a jerkwad.

But we should really lynch BunnyLover.
This isn't Parama all over again. I'm serious this time.

Tierce, was it you who thought Bunnylover was scum D1?

FaerieLord, I'll check but who are you voting right now?
Okay Pappums I get but he's an easy target. Opinion on Bunnylover now please.

Um and beyond that Amrun is still scum. Someone was with me on that yesterday. Was it Dram?

[Majiffy]

Iso #4. Is it really that hard to find? https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p4007141 - There you go.

It's not hard, but as a conscientious player you should probably get in the habit of linking to

any

posts you reference. I'm breaking you of a bad habit, you see.

I like Amrun's post

Unvote, vote Fakegod

I also like her comment about the vote list format.

Amrun made a good case on FakeGOd,

and his defense and subsequent OMGUS vote was really bad.

Unvote
Vote: FakeGod

Bolded is the difference. Shows that he was just late-to-the-party rather than just blindly sheeping without showing any intention to actually scumhunt in the game. And is that your only reason for voting pappums? His play hasn't struck me as scum.

[Shadoweh]

So basically pappums rat is scum because he did a really dumb fake cop gambit that was really obviously fake and then pulled out before people lynched over a guilty?

That's pretty stupid reasoning.

[Shadoweh]

And Tierce is scum with him for noticing his very obvious stupid hints about being a cop for a guilty because she HAD to have been in a QT with this pre-planned to notice?

Mega Fail Reasoning x2 Combo!

I could get behind a bunny lynch. I won't commit to anything until Tierce opens her mynd to me today though.

[FaerieLord]

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It's not hard, but as a conscientious player you should probably get in the habit of linking to

any

posts you reference. I'm breaking you of a bad habit, you see.

You're breaking me out of nothing. It is your duty to look up stuff after I post it.

So basically pappums rat is scum because he did a really dumb fake cop gambit that was really obviously fake and then pulled out before people lynched over a guilty?

That's pretty stupid reasoning.

@Shadoweh - You're assuming he was stupid. Also, can't see how he pulled out, he was still urging the wagon, implying roleblocking and calling the ability scummy. Also, no, it wasn't obvious. If it were obvious, Tierce wouldn't have had to explain it 10 posts later. Additionally, also note that there was only one person actively defending Tierce alongside me - pappums.

I wouldn't say it's stupid really. Pappums just had a townie lynched - excusing moves like that as "stupid town gambits" is propagating moves like that by scum, which he very well may be.

[Tammy]

I'm a little confused on something. I haven't completely caught up, but there were three kills both nights. The first night was an Aegis kill, a 3rd party kill, and a town kill. The third party would make up for the third kill if there's two factions, which I'm pretty sure I remember someone saying was most likely because Aegis was called a faction, right?

Since the third party was killed the first night, one wouldn't expect a third kill last night except in the case of the vig, which is what I'm guessing was what Chesskid was with the voices? Didn't someone else claim to also have voices and get to submit a name for a kill or something. Yes, I'll find it when I get through it, it's just coming slowly. If I'm remembering correctly, is there any reason for us not to know what name was submitted if that's how it works.