The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[pidgey]

Also can you be AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE with that message FLP?

And swords, can you tell me exactly what the wording for the message you got was?

[Shamrock]

If it's something you do during the day then you can wait until tomorrow - CKD is more likely to be the last on a team and, by my judgment, more likely to flip scum overall.

[Shamrock]

Although I don't understand how you have a townread on me and it's making me uneasy, but whatever.

[fatlikepig]

Also can you be AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE with that message FLP?

And swords, can you tell me exactly what the wording for the message you got was?

It simply says that there were three non-town players on the lynchwagon. I'm not sure what kind of detail you're looking for here.

The CKD case makes a lot of sense. I'm willing to sheep it.

VOTE: CKD

[kortul]

Quick post, more in the evening. Sixty case on CKD as blue member makes sense, assuming Grey loves to bus (and at least one player confirmed that). That would explain why Grey was sitting on ICEninja, while being more sure about CKD, and all the time trying to tie them together - if ninja fliped town that would allow him to clear CKD, and if he had to switch and lynch CKD, he would use this "connection" to attack ninja again. That also explains immediate attack from CKD on Klick on day 2, trying to protect Thor. As for Pidgey, his stance on Sixty accusations is peculiar, but that's for tomorrow, if we can clear one faction that would be great, too many kills so far.

@FLP

- was it presented like a message, or an answer to the question, or something else?

CKD is at L-2 now, and i don't want to give him a chance to selfhammer, since this is weekend and we haven't heard from at 2 or 3 more players.

@CKD

, consider yourself unofficially at

L-1

, and it is time to claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

Really? I am at -1? I would love to say that this is scum driven, but we have taken out so many already, I dont get how. I have only read the first page out of the gate, but it looks like sixty has come out swinging for no reason. that is suspicious, but I had sixty in the town category. So, I am hoping to be able to catch up tomorrow.

I have no problem claiming. I am doubtful that it will save me from any rope (whatever the "case" is), but me dying is not that big of a deal. the ability I have is the same alive or dead....so dying is not that big of an issue.

I am (paraphrased now) Father Anthony Forthill

I am a Holy Voter.

I have two passive abilities.

1.) Angel Whisper, (flavor) I know we are surrounded by Angels and Cherubs everyday, those who listen hard enough may hear their voices. (ability) If I am ever killed, I can still cast votes. Those votes will not affect the vote threshold and are not visible (during the vote count). However they are valid for purposes of lynching.

2.) Dispense Wisdom and Advice, I may vote each day.

Wincon -

You win all the threats to Town are defeated and one Town player remains alive, or when nothing can prevent that from occurring.

I will be back on on monday to give my thoughts....need to reread who did what when...and now, who is on my wagon and why...also why my wagon started.

[Albert B. Rampage]

CKD isnt scum

[jasonT1981]

^^ why is he not?

[Albert B. Rampage]

maybe he is but hes been acting like himself

[Shmugen]

Honestly, I'm more sure of Pidgey, but if CKD IS bluescum, that team should be done and we can slow this hemorrhagic trend.

[kortul]

Took a look at interactions of CKD and Grey/Thor. Except for one point, they fit together.

Kimor didn't mention CKD at all. CKD mentioned him twice, with "What is the case on Kimor? Votes seem weak", and when Grey switched to CKD. Thor maintained town read on CKD, CKD was pushing Klick while protecting Thor.

CKD was pushing Grey all the time after the "slip" thing. I already said about Grey stance, and also, when wagon on him began to move, Grey immediately picked CKD as a couterwagon, ie either he considered him a better target, or tried to make sure that one of them would get towncred when the other flips.

There is one thing that feels off. If CKD and Grey are partners, and blue team doesn't have daytalk, CKD attack on Grey 2 pages after the "slip", when several players already said this doesn't sound like a slip is meaningless and just draws suspicions. And if blue team does have daytalk, why CKD and Grey continued that silly "slip" debate for so long, instead of discussing that in QT? Unless both of them really love to bus, such heated discussion will inevitably end in one of them getting lots of suspicions, and both players are experienced and should know that.

But once i saw CKD claim i think that point is irrelevant. If we are wrong after all, and he is town, he can continue voting from the grave and help us. And if he is scum - good riddance.

@CKD

, if you are town, your thoughts and reads.

Guess the post of Jason means he has no new information for us. If tomorrow he will have no ghosts to talk to as well, i will seriously doubt his claim. Konowa is still v/la, i think we should wait for him, just in case, given the number of kills each night.

[kortul]

With CKD hopefully the last member of blue team, we should start thinking on red team as well. I still cannot figure out the logic or motivation behind Klick actions.

1) During day 1 he claimed that Thor is not town-aligned. Klick fliped not a day cop. It can't be a wild guess, since sacrificing godfather powercop to eliminate random player makes no sense. Which means he got the information from his team, and they have daytalk.

2) While selfhammering he said that one of his

partners

"does have information that confirms Thor as scum. He's on the same team as GreyICE." But he said no such things about greenknight, even though he claimed "not town" on him as well, and green fliped Miller. Ie he clearly separated the info on Thor from info on green, most likely they come from different sources, or Klick was faking second result (why? it would be easier to claim 1-shot day cop than fake later).

3) He claimed result on Thor while Grey was at L-1. Why do this in the first place, instead of hammering or demanding a claim from Grey? What was so important about Thor - he doesn't have some overpowered role, and if red team knew only the alignment, and the idea was to lynch Thor on day 1, why did he switch to Grey when wagons on Thor and Grey were more or less even?

So red team had size of 3+, daytalk, someone who got the info on Thor during day 1, and then they started a gambit that makes no sense at all. I'd like to ask everyone to come up with any ideas (however wild or strange they are) as to the motivation.

[Shamrock]

kortul - when CKD was attacking Grey for the "slip", people hadn't really started pointing out how dumb it was yet. That didn't really happen until later down the page/the next page. So I really do think it's quite plausible that he saw it and was like "shit gotta bus".

Also, I totally forgot about Jason's claim. He probably ought to get around to using that at some point.

pedit: have you played with Klick before? He just kind of... does things sometimes.

[jasonT1981]

I held of using it but may well use it tonight as there are now plenty of dead to talk to. I will listen to the town as to who they think I should use it on, so as to get the best info for the town

[kortul]

Maybe you are right regarding CKD, i am not that familiar with his games, was just skimming the links he posted on Day 1 on that unvote thing.

Jason, i think ICEninja is a good target, his role sounds like some kind of cop, and we had 2 nights already.

I played with Kondi in my first game on this site, but don't remember him doing crazy things. Was that policy lynch talk on day 1 serious after all?

[Shamrock]

I just finished a game with Klick where he self-hammered as town in a "1v1" because he was so convinced MoI was scum (MoI was town). Also, this game is rather infamous (very short): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23446

[pidgey]

Was V/LA kinda yesterday and today, will catch up tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

didnt mod say blue team is town?

[Shmugen]

ABR, you wound me.

[Shamrock]

ABR, if there's something making CKD town that we're not seeing, what is it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

well...I think we are being hasty here

[Shamrock]

Okay...

Is there someone else you'd rather lynch?

[fatlikepig]

@FLP - was it presented like a message, or an answer to the question, or something else?

I guess it's more like a message. I'd rather not go into the flavour side of things at the moment, to be honest.

ABR doesn't look like town genuinely defending someone he thinks isn't scum. At all.

[fatlikepig]

Also, someone who knows the series better than I do should fact-check CKD's claim flavour.

[fatlikepig]

And just while I think of it [sorry for the triple post, by the way D:] - what are the chances of scum getting this role? Because it seems like it'd be an awkward/weak thing to fakeclaim for scum, especially given that it has a lot fewer possible repercussions than some other role that he could have claimed. Then again, this minimises the chance of CKD's role clashing with someone else's given that everyone has at least some form of a PR.

Ugh. There's a lot of WIFOM involved in all of this that I'm not sure how to sift through. D: