Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[Bulbazak]

Well, we are pretty much lynching one of Thor/Bulba. Probably both scum TBH.

Nope. Don't like.

Unvote

Vote Porkens

You can join me anytime you like, Thor.

Were you thinking of that experience when you posted this?

Seeing as how that game happened after this post, no.

[T S O]

Did the events you were talking about happen before that post?

[jasonT1981]

Day 3 Vote Count 13

smargaret 3 - T S O,PeregrineV,CrashTextDummie
CrashTextDummy 3 - Bulbazak,Thor665,AntiHero
AntiHero3 - penguin_alien, BROseidon, smargaret

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with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

(expired on 2014-04-02 16:40:08)

till Day 3 Deadline

[Bulbazak]

Did the events you were talking about happen before that post?

No. The entire game happened after that post.

[T S O]

I'll go back to being bad now

[penguin_alien]

CTD, bottom line: do you think Thor's very likely scum? And whose opinions are you trying to alter in your posts?

Thor, bottom line: is CTD your favored scum read due to what you believe is a faulty approach to getting a read on you or for gameplay before this point?

I follow CTD's line of thought that Antihero-Smudger did things that weren't in his favor for looking like town over scum, but I'm not sure why smargaret behaving in ways that seem counterintuitive as scum is so different. Can you elaborate, CTD?

[Thor665]

Thor, bottom line: is CTD your favored scum read due to what you believe is a faulty approach to getting a read on you or for gameplay before this point?

Yes.

Why, what's your take on him and where are you trying to get me to move my vote?

[penguin_alien]

All this back-and-forth seems poorly executed for CTD-scum. Lack of agenda, lack of effectiveness.

I still think Antihero's scum, but I don't hold out much hope of persuading you on that. You spent a decent amount of time attacking Yates' scum read on Antihero because you preferred your scum read on Yiley. But I have the sense that whatever your issues with Yiley were, you at least have a different set of issues with CTD in that slot. You've addressed some questions to Antihero today, but not much else, which is a surprising omission to me. And nothing with him's changed since yesterday except that one of his detractors is dead. Which isn't a foolproof sign, but I'd think that knowing Yates' interest in seeing Antihero dead came from town would at least be relevant.

[BROseidon]

CTD isn't getting lynched today.

Pick between Anti and smarg.

[Bulbazak]

That's funny. All the wagons look to be the same size to me.

[BROseidon]

More people are actively town reading CTD than the other two, though.

[CrashTextDummie]

CTD, bottom line: do you think Thor's very likely scum? And whose opinions are you trying to alter in your posts?

I think he's less likely scum than Smargaret and Antihero, given the latter's latest posts. I think he's more likely scum than the rest of the player list. I'd vig him tonight.

Are you talking about any specific posts? There are generally 3 goals that motivate my posting: sorting (forming reads), defending (avoiding my own lynch), convincing (getting a scum lynched). Most of my posts dealing with Thor fall into the category of sorting and defending category. So far, I haven't really tried to convince people of Thor's guilt.

I follow CTD's line of thought that Antihero-Smudger did things that weren't in his favor for looking like town over scum, but I'm not sure why smargaret behaving in ways that seem counterintuitive as scum is so different. Can you elaborate, CTD?

I don't think you really followed. I think that Smudger's actions are counter-intuitive to achieving a scum wincon. Bussing Zekrom but then immediately pointing out that scum would do exactly that, not going for what he calls an easy wagon even though he set himself up to do so the day before, etc. Smargaret is the exact opposite of that. The vast majority of what she has done directly furthered the scum wincon. You think that brazenly taking ownership of a mislynch is counterintuitive for scum, but I disagree.

[CrashTextDummie]

I would even go so far as to say I prefer the idea of a Smarg lynch over an Anti lynch. What makes you excited about your lynch vote at this point in time?

You should have put your money where your mouth is. It's funny, I remember you advocating (either in this game or in one of the ISOs I read) that claims shouldn't be delayed until the 11th hour. And yet with only 28 hours remaining, you're still not compromising.

Unvote, vote: Antihero

Claim or die.

[CrashTextDummie]

There it is, Open 465:

We have 7 days till deadline.
Hint: You'll want a claim to happen 3-4 days before deadline so you have time to discuss it.

I feel like I'm in a Newbie game.

Thor so town.

[Thor665]

All this back-and-forth seems poorly executed for CTD-scum. Lack of agenda, lack of effectiveness.

What is the basis you are using to suggest he would be better as scum in some manner?
I actually agree he's having a lack of effectiveness, but it's because he's not playing in a way that suggests scumhunting to me. I think what he is doing is effective for scum, though.

I still think Antihero's scum, but I don't hold out much hope of persuading you on that. You spent a decent amount of time attacking Yates' scum read on Antihero because you preferred your scum read on Yiley. But I have the sense that whatever your issues with Yiley were, you at least have a different set of issues with CTD in that slot. You've addressed some questions to Antihero today, but not much else, which is a surprising omission to me. And nothing with him's changed since yesterday except that one of his detractors is dead. Which isn't a foolproof sign, but I'd think that knowing Yates' interest in seeing Antihero dead came from town would at least be relevant.

You type a lot here without saying or asking much. I do have different issues with CTD than with Yiley, I have issues with the slot that have been clear and uninterupted though - I'm not sure why it is odd or confusing to you that I have different issues with CTD than Yiley...even though I started my issues with him because of Yiley. It seems normal that a slot I believe is scum would eventually commit scumtells of his own that are different scumtells than a previous player in the slot.

Yes, I have not interacted with Antihero much. I also haven't interacted with you much. I've probably interacted about the same with each of you - is that also a surprising omission?

No, I am unsure why thinking that Yates suspicions were honest (something I already believed prior to his death) would change my stance of not particularly liking his push on Antihero. Congrats, you have spotted that I town read Yates yesterday and still didn't like his case. Whoop-de-doo.

I'm not sure the point of any of these points though.

I would even go so far as to say I prefer the idea of a Smarg lynch over an Anti lynch. What makes you excited about your lynch vote at this point in time?

You should have put your money where your mouth is. It's funny, I remember you advocating (either in this game or in one of the ISOs I read) that claims shouldn't be delayed until the 11th hour. And yet with only 28 hours remaining, you're still not compromising.

Says the guy voting a player that he already indicated he doesn't really see as scum...while also listing said player as his number two suspect.
If you happen to be town, I don't think that makes my play in this situation the play.

[Thor665]

There it is, Open 465:

We have 7 days till deadline.
Hint: You'll want a claim to happen 3-4 days before deadline so you have time to discuss it.

I feel like I'm in a Newbie game.

Thor so town.

You can find the same sort of info in my Wiki.
I'm pretty open about that belief.

tht said, i also am pretty open in not buying into the concept of compromise for the sake of a lynch and have intentionally not hammered and forced a no lynch while town due to that belief.

But, really awesome awkward side attack/discredit attempt that actually says nothing about my alignment.

Scum.

[CrashTextDummie]

Says the guy voting a player that he already indicated he doesn't really see as scum...while also listing said player as his number two suspect.

I said that Smudger's portion of the game looked more town than scum to me and that Antihero's play has significant problems. Antihero has failed to convince me on the issues he did address and has still yet to come up with any sort of reasoning that would justify his vote on me. That makes him an acceptable compromise to me.

tht said, i also am pretty open in not buying into the concept of compromise for the sake of a lynch and have intentionally not hammered and forced a no lynch while town due to that belief.

That statement I quoted ("I'd prefer Smargaret to Antihero") indicates a general willingness to compromise to me, there's just no follow-through. Is this assessment wrong?

Do you often refuse to compromise on a player you have a scum lean on? I'd like to see an example of that.

[PeregrineV]

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[Thor665]

Do you often refuse to compromise on a player you have a scum lean on? I'd like to see an example of that.

Hey, you meta read me in depth - whats your research say?

[CrashTextDummie]

I don't remember such an occasion. Help me out?

Alternatively, you could explain why you decided not to compromise on a scum lean in this situation. Are you suggesting that no claim until a day before deadline is preferable to forcing a Smargaret claim in spite of your assertion that claims should happen 4-5 days before deadline?

[Thor665]

I'm saying I'm not going to compromise on a mild lean to force a claim from said mild lean when I am on an equally strong wagon that is an actual scum read and have been actively working to get votes on it.

It's a pretty shocking concept, and I'll admit is really strange play from me when clearly I should compromise to the far lesser read right now. But, y'know, I'm a maverick like that.

[Thor665]

Day 3 Vote Count 13

smargaret 3 - T S O,PeregrineV,CrashTextDummie
CrashTextDummy 3 - Bulbazak,Thor665,AntiHero
AntiHero3 - penguin_alien, BROseidon, smargaret

Man! Why isn't Thor compromising! That wagon is sooooo weak!

[Bulbazak]

Do you often refuse to compromise on a player you have a scum lean on? I'd like to see an example of that.

Hey, you meta read me in depth - whats your research say?

I don't remember such an occasion. Help me out?

[Thor665]

If that's directed at me - then I didn't answer it because it was a dumb request because I'm not willing to go meta dive myself.

[Bulbazak]

If that's directed at me - then I didn't answer it because it was a dumb request because I'm not willing to go meta dive myself.

It was a response to CTD. I quoted you to put it in context.