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And the main game I remember (Dynasty Warriors) had him as scum with me.

Of note, that game did include T-Bone having a fake fight with a scumfriend. But that wasn't initiated until like D3, and the circumstances were unique because both of them were under a lot of suspicion and the game mechanics allowed them to duel one another, such that scum would get a bonus from the "lynch" of the other player. So the fight was used tactically to justify an "emotional" duel with the other player. But something like that isn't clearly motivated here, so it's not the same.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Katsuki

Not self-voting. Not voting tbone after a re-read and the past few pages.

Iece you're doing this odd thing where you're doing your absolute hardest to always come back to me as your default no matter how many other questions or things other people point out. Why on earth?

Iec, I stopped liking your opinions on the last page as much as I was liking them before. Please go back!

I have another flashwagon to try as soon as I figure out this one isn't working

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ shos wrote:Practically every lynch today of a dozen of people can be great. you want to lynch cabd only because he has already claimed? who are you SCUMREADS? who do you think will most likely yield a scumflip of, say, {Katsuki, Tbone, cabd}?

I categorically don't want to lynch T-Bone. This is mostly based on his readthrough having been careful enough to pick on copper talking about on ongoing game.

Katsuki might flip scum, but it's not any more likely than Cabd. Katsuki being an ass is just kinda par for the course. Pushing a wagon on him given the softclaim is anti-town. So lynching Katsuki rather than Cabd seems dumb to me, since he's not any more likely to flip scum, and you have the added risk of outing the nature of his role and then lynching Cabd anyway.

Someone you didn't list at all (TierShift) is the most likely to flip scum IMO, maybe more likely than Cabd, but your point (I think it was shos at least) that TierShift is more active and dominant as scum is enough for this not to beat Cabd.

How does that work in T-Bone's favor?
He couldn't know what the mods would decide to do for this matter. Usually, when actual ongoing games are mentioned, this results in a direct modkill, which results in the worst result for the person who committed the offense's faction. This means if scum, the modkill+day continues, if town, modkill+day ends. So unless he had a real good scumread on copper, him mentioning that only acts against him, as far as I can see.

Yes, it was me who defended Tiershift. at first I didn't think so, but later I revisited that with my meta of our games (and the most recent one where he was scum) and changed that.

and you're right, but you get no info from cabd at all, I think. like none. he barely posted shit when the game started, and only now he...has a job apparantly...

man shos

you are just so wrong so consistently

:/

↑ Cabd wrote:Iece you're doing this odd thing where you're doing your absolute hardest to always come back to me as your default no matter how many other questions or things other people point out. Why on earth?

this is a good point, btw, Iec. Intrigue me.

↑ Cephrir wrote:I have another flashwagon to try as soon as I figure out this one isn't working

DL too soon.
I think this is going into a 1v1 between cabd and kats. I want kats dead more, although I think cabd will be the winning lynch eventually :/

VOTE: kats

I will be online to hammer anything that is hammerable near deadline.

↑ Cephrir wrote:man shos

you are just so wrong so consistently

:/

what about, this time? :/

the ongoing games thing

that transcends alignment and win conditions

VOTE: reck

↑ Cabd wrote:Iece you're doing this odd thing where you're doing your absolute hardest to always come back to me as your default no matter how many other questions or things other people point out. Why on earth?

No one has actually indicated any reasons that you are town. I have been pretty clear about why I disagree with the other wagons that people have proposed.

The fact that there is resistance to your wagon increases rather than decreases the chance that you are scum.

I don't blame you for voting for Katsuki.

Like, when someone that everyone kind of agrees is scummy DOESN'T get lynched, but random flashwagons keep appearing, that is a red flag.

↑ shos wrote:I think this is going into a 1v1 between cabd and kats. I want kats dead more, although I think cabd will be the winning lynch eventually :/

Do you actually think Cabd is town?

There is no actual dichotomy between Cabd and Katsuki, so there is no 1v1. Rhetorical use of that term is annoying.

Is he scummy though

Is he actually

I think the wagon was too easy in the first place and I realize I contributed to it

↑ Cephrir wrote:Iec, I stopped liking your opinions on the last page as much as I was liking them before. Please go back!

I have this feeling about sundry people who make idiotic decisions, e.g., randomly wanting to out 2-3 claims before lynching Cabd.

↑ Cephrir wrote:Is he scummy though

Is he actually

I think the wagon was too easy in the first place and I realize I contributed to it

The towniest thing about Cabd is that he got sick and I feel kind of sorry for him for being sick and being lynched. His actual participation in the game has been scummy. A thing that I remember from my readthrough is when someone was suspicious of something, he promised a response, and then he gave a response post SPECIFICALLY TO THAT POINT like a day later while ignoring the actual thread. He was focused on appeasing perceived threats rather than evaluating the thread for content.

The wagon isn't easy when he won't die.

I'll reread.

↑ shos wrote:How does that work in T-Bone's favor?[...]Usually, when actual ongoing games are mentioned, this results in a direct modkill[...]

The possibility that he was going for a modkill on copper is something that I had not considered. That is a reasonable point.

Regarding my thinking, basically I think that conscientiousness is townie. It's the same reason I got a townread on Rhinox awhile ago for attention to timestamps. Lack of conscientiousness is scummy (cf., Katsuki, Cabd, Reckoner), because having a lazy relationship to the content in the thread is what one is predisposed to do when they are scum and can't be arsed to fake-scumhunt.

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ Cephrir wrote:Is he scummy though

Is he actually

I think the wagon was too easy in the first place and I realize I contributed to it

The towniest thing about Cabd is that he got sick and I feel kind of sorry for him for being sick and being lynched. His actual participation in the game has been scummy. A thing that I remember from my readthrough is when someone was suspicious of something, he promised a response, and then he gave a response post SPECIFICALLY TO THAT POINT like a day later while ignoring the actual thread. He was focused on appeasing perceived threats rather than evaluating the thread for content.

The wagon isn't easy when he won't die.

The other towniest thing about Cabd is that Reckoner and Katsuki think he is scum. <_<

Awk.

Still, 100% of the reasons to townread Cabd are based on either his absence of other players. And other players' actions can also be interpreted as indicating scumCabd (though it would mean that at least some of my major townreads are scum, etc).

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ shos wrote:How does that work in T-Bone's favor?[...]Usually, when actual ongoing games are mentioned, this results in a direct modkill[...]

The possibility that he was going for a modkill on copper is something that I had not considered. That is a reasonable point.

Actually this is an extremely reasonable point.

I am seriously considering being a sinful person and flashwagoning a conscientious townread.

I've asked my kabal.

Whether he's town for noticing or scum for how he used it after noticing.

Conscientiousness tells might be weaker in team mafia.

↑ Iecerint wrote:

↑ Cephrir wrote:Is he scummy though

Is he actually

I think the wagon was too easy in the first place and I realize I contributed to it

The towniest thing about Cabd is that he got sick and I feel kind of sorry for him for being sick and being lynched. His actual participation in the game has been scummy. A thing that I remember from my readthrough is when someone was suspicious of something, he promised a response, and then he gave a response post SPECIFICALLY TO THAT POINT like a day later while ignoring the actual thread. He was focused on appeasing perceived threats rather than evaluating the thread for content.

The wagon isn't easy when he won't die.

unlike T-bone, who ignored the thread and commented on the LATEST post, which dealt with him.

by default Tbone is scummier than cabd, by this, lol.

↑ Iecerint wrote:I've asked my kabal.

Whether he's town for noticing or scum for how he used it after noticing.

Kabal? as in Kabala? wuuuuuut

I'm jewish and I tell you to sheep me, aye?