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this has got to be some sort of sick joke.

I was near 100% lynching Persi would have ended the game. I frankly am going to have words for him in postgame for thinking some of the shit he did were somehow OK things to do as town, but that's beside the point.

I need to actually step back and think.

I'm probably going to do a full reread, but just as one quick point, the last thing notty and I tried to convene on yesterday before he was overwhelmed with RL were the Dunn/Syr interactions, and from what I remember I didn't find his points all that compelling - one thing I'm probably going to look out for when I get to them is rereading bork's posts and seeing if I can directly parse anything out of them instead.

this just completely sucks because one of you apparently thinks you can get me to misvote today, so clearly I'm missing something huge in my assessment of the game somewhere, regardless of whether it's Syr relying on our read on him or TOB hoping that I flip out on Syr (that or one of you thinks you can lynch me, which, lololol if that's the case).

In post 1101, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I was near 100% lynching Persi would have ended the game.

Why did you think this after he was clear about his intention to self-hammer?

~ Raven

In post 1102, The Oxford Bubbles wrote:

In post 1101, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I was near 100% lynching Persi would have ended the game.

Why did you think this after he was clear about his intention to self-hammer?

~ Raven

I didn't really care about all of the stuff he was saying about self-hammering; as far as I was concerned it was just yet another cheap scum ploy that people would look at and think "o, no way this comes from scum" and not want to vote him (this falls into a similar sort of thing as a lot of what I thought he was attempting to pull and had got away with D1, i.e. claiming DV as a "confirmed town" role to get people to back off and attempting to put out some half-assed reads right at the end so that people would flip out and second guess themselves at the last minute).

obviously it was wrong, but, /shrug. I can walk you through my read there in more depth if you have anything you want to ask me about.

where are your reads currently at?

In post 1103, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I didn't really care about all of the stuff he was saying about self-hammering; as far as I was concerned it was just yet another cheap scum ploy that people would look at and think "o, no way this comes from scum" and not want to vote him

What made you think he wouldn't follow through?

In post 1103, Seiko x Naomi wrote:where are your reads currently at?

I've been scum-reading Syryana from the start of the game. But I can't understand why you're still alive. I don't understand how you can say you were so sure about Persivul. There's a disconnect between how we're seeing the game there, and I need to understand why that is.

~ Raven

In post 1104, The Oxford Bubbles wrote:

In post 1103, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I didn't really care about all of the stuff he was saying about self-hammering; as far as I was concerned it was just yet another cheap scum ploy that people would look at and think "o, no way this comes from scum" and not want to vote him

What made you think he wouldn't follow through?

shit like that is the easiest sort of shit to back out of as scum, and I'm not exactly sure why you disagree; he was under literally no obligation to follow through with it. I figured he'd probably just show up and say something along the lines of "thought about it more and I don't want to self hammer, let's just lynch Syr". you can't exactly push him for "backing out of saying he'd selfhammer", because selfhammering is completely stupid even for town-him, so it's very easy for scum to make that sort of empty promise without really having any repercussion if they feel it'll make them look town.

do you follow?

In post 1104, The Oxford Bubbles wrote:I've been scum-reading Syryana from the start of the game. But I can't understand why you're still alive. I don't understand how you can say you were so sure about Persivul. There's a disconnect between how we're seeing the game there, and I need to understand why that is.

I wasn't expecting to be alive either, so your guess is as good as mine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

my current working assumption is that scum thinks I'll be more likely to misvote today than AJ would have been, and that they figured he was as town as I was in terms of being unlynchable so no real utility in one kill over the other. that's a part of why I don't really feel good about this game atm, since if that *is* what is going on here it means whichever of you is scum feels confident in tricking me one way or the other.

plus not to mention Persi's play in general was just shit and (as I said before) that idea of "fake people out by acting like I'll self hammer" matched a lot of how I was reading his play D1 (this being him basically just trying to trick people into getting weirded out on the lynch on him one way or the other). again, if you want me to elaborate more on how I was reading him feel free to ask.

Hey Pie.

You there?

hai.

Cool.

VOTE: TOB

claiming town.

Townclaim received.

Let's win this fuckin game man

That solves my dilemma. I was starting to question my read of you more, SxN, because I read Persivul's claim as completely serious. It seemed like you were taking too hard a stance. As if you wanted to look more confident of your actions than you were.
I'm sorry for not posting as often as I should have. I've been busy, and found it hard to get into the game. Please let me know if there's anything that needs addressing and I'll get to it as soon as possible. I'll make a case on Syryana as soon as I have time.



~ Raven

hi

I was going to revisit things but I got called into work so I will be productive afterwards

Forgive me if I don't have a lot to say. I've never been in this position before.
My main reason to scum-read Syryana up to this point has been that I felt they were pretending. Their play has been shallow. That's still true. It's something that's hard to describe though. The best I can do is say what I said on day 1 - they make a move, explain it, pull back, repeat. Skim their ISO when you have the time. Their play follows this pattern. It's not how a townperson plays. It's robotic. They're not scum-hunting. They're pretending to scum-hunt.

~ Raven

In post 50, Syryana wrote:You people really suck at reaction tests.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dunnstral

Bork, you can unshoo now.

In post 51, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 50, Syryana wrote:reaction tests.

So when you get called out, it's a reaction test?

This interaction is the second thing I feel is worth looking at. Syryana made it clear they were reaction testing. They were never seriously invested in the push they made. Dunnstral should have known this.

~ Raven

hmm.

Hey pie, if you want something specific from me to aid in your decisionmaking process, ask for it

Otherwise I'ma sit here with my thumb up my ass until said decision is made

I've been thinking about this game.

notty has informed me that he is back to not knowing if he'll be able to get around to this game, so he's relegated it back to me. I'm nowhere near as sure on this as I'd like to be, but at the same time I don't really think I'm capable of doing any better here and I don't want to lose myself in an endless sea of second guessing myself, so, I don't really see a reason to drag this out.



TOB, if you're town, I'm sorry in advance. more than anything, I just don't think Syr's play looks like scum and I don't think his play over the course of the game looks like he's been attempting to long con me. I could go into more detail on this but really all it'd be would be me attempting to retroactively justify myself and both of us know how pointless that would be, but, know that if I'm wrong I take full responsbility for it. (this is also directed to bork, I know Syr was your primary read too.)

Syr, were you town?

Votecount 4.1 - FINAL!

The Oxford Bubbles

(2) - Syryana, Seiko x Naomi

(LYNCH!)

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(1) - The Oxford Bubbles

(L-1!)

Not Voting

(0) - No one!

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players eligible to vote, it’s

2

to lynch!

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