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Like, if the main thing I do in my life is read people, and am intrigued with accurately reading people, DEB very much might be the person that I can read the best and most accurately, and know how he’d react in most situations, and my read on him is being shut down so hard which makes me feel scum very much want people to think DEB wasn’t a doctor enabler/was a scum using that as a fake claim.

If DEB is scum, he is a legit doc enabler OR someone actively coached him on what to claim.

If DEB is town, which is by far the more likely outcome, he is legit a town doc enabler.

I disagree that it’s irrelevant because I feel it’s the most relavant to figuring out why this is the gamestate scum chose

Relevant*

And now you realize why I'm scumreading Binary Star?

~ Poison Ivy

This is me actively hunting because scum are changing and freezing the gamestate off of DEB’s claim.

I will, or already have with 1, find scum from this.

Dannflor didn’t make the save, but scum want to make people think he did OR Dann’s gambiting, which isn’t completely out of the realm of possibility, but I think it’s less likely.

I’d go 78-22% chances he is not gambiting, but that’s still decent odds.

AA be town, but it wouldn’t be because they were protected.

I hope you realize that under your own assumptions, we have to weigh the possibility that you're the scum changing and freezing the gamestate off of DEB's claim, especially since you've given no evidence for actually sorting using that instead of just tunneling it well after it became directly relevant to the game until literally just now. Your case on us has been demonstrated to be nonsense and you're already talking like you've accepted it as nonsense, so I'm not buying that case on us being scum as legitimate sorting for this, sorry. Especially since you have far more experience with gambits like this as scum than any of us; I'm more surprised that you didn't see the problems with this immediately.

On top of that, as town!FL, you'd have to accept that as someone who does crazy fake mechanical crap as scum, we can't take you entirely seriously about mechanical things without strong evidence or proof that you are town, so assuming that people are scum for doing this and ignoring your read on DEB is frankly ridiculous.

~ Poison Ivy

I'm ending this side of the debate now before it turns into spam.

I'm also going to bed because I work in less than 8 hours.

If you're town, get people to start talking so that we can start properly sorting people. That will also give you more to work with to figure out what exactly scum is doing here. It might also help stop the game from dragging through the mud because nobody cares. It's really a win/win/win.

~ Poison Ivy

No one is CCing Dann and why would scum!him fakeclaim doc here? We know we’re town obviously and if DEB was telling the truth then maybe there’s more than one doc enabler because I can’t see in which world scum no kills rather than take us out. And if you still think it suspicious that we claimed being N1 NK target, then I have one word for you: Undertale. The most obvtown read hydra was targeted N1 there too. In their case, doc didn’t protect them.

@Poison Ivy, @Katwoman, I may be misremembering that game, probably because it was so painful for me to go through.:/

~Harley

It hasn’t been just now.

I was calling and stating DEB was town literally since the start of his push. That’s the main thing I talked about Day 1.

I actually think I know what happened but if I explain it to boon it ruins it.

Can you drop the night action spec boon? Thanks.

-kat

I’m actually not really thinking Dann is the scum, that’s not really part of this. He’s probably town.

You’re also using every generic FL discredit technique in the game.

In post 1112, Flavor Leaf wrote:You’re also using every generic FL discredit technique in the game.

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Alright nvm I'm not going to stop my other heads if they want to lynch you anymore.

~ Poison Ivy

FL still maybe town. I have trouble believing scum!him would be insane enough to try to push the slot that was the obviously intended NK.

He also sounds really sincere.

~Harley Quinn

That’s LITERALLY the MAIN point I’m bringing up.

I disagree you were the intended night kill because that implies Dann’s doctor shot worked, when I am damn near sure that it didn’t because DEB doesnt make that claim up.

In post 1115, Flavor Leaf wrote:That’s LITERALLY the MAIN point I’m bringing up.

I disagree you were the intended night kill because that implies Dann’s doctor shot worked, when I am damn near sure that it didn’t because DEB doesnt make that claim up.

But why would scum no kill just to discredit DEB? I don’t see how that serves their scum wincon?

And that would totally suck that Dann hardclaimed for absolutely nothing if true.

If your solve is actually right here, then you, us and Dann are all being gaslighted.

~HQ

Some of the things you are saying are probably right. But your conclusion is wrong. And explaining the thing you are wrong about is bad for town. Our heads don't all agree on whether deb was town or scum and I don't think today's flip should be overdetermined from our guess of his alignment or the veracity of his claim.

Take a look at chicka. If you think deb was town, what do you think of chicka's attitude toward deb?

-Kat

In post 1032, Binary Star wrote:You would have to full claim what you have before I can take a "soft innocent" seriously, and you should probably do so given how much you've already said.

-B

Why did you ask this? We didn’t see any reason for Dann to fullclaim.

~HQ

In post 1117, Arkham Asylum wrote:Some of the things you are saying are probably right. But your conclusion is wrong. And explaining the thing you are wrong about is bad for town. Our heads don't all agree on whether deb was town or scum and I don't think today's flip should be overdetermined from our guess of his alignment or the veracity of his claim.

Take a look at chicka. If you think deb was town, what do you think of chicka's attitude toward deb?

-Kat

Do you think there’s more than one doc enabler? FL seems beyond convinced DEB wasn’t lying. What I can’t wrap my head around, is why would scum no kill just to discredit a dead player?

~Harley

0.o check my theory on discord harley

-kat

Anyway, back to hard townreading FL. I had a strong gut townread on him from pretty much the first post.

~Harley

I don’t have a conclusion. It’s day 2 in a flipless game.

They likely didn’t no kill.

I still want that mass claim. I feel that’s the correct path in a game like this.