In post 1093, eth0s wrote:(this is all assuming lich is telling the truth ofc) It doesn't matter if the MRB does or does not feel comfortable right now. It only matters that he is currently alive. The moment the MRB gets lynched I say they NK Lich. Until then they need to keep him around to continue distracting the town with his scummy plays. They're probably hoping we just lynch him anyway as this town is having trouble forming a wagon and Lich is somewhat of an easy lynch target.
well the moment a roleblocker dies, not only is lich free to do whatever he wants - he's also pretty much confirmed, since a rb flip puts us in the setup with a cop
I don't think scum is banking on having lich lynched though. that's a bit far-fetched
What do you think of the behavior of the guy you replaced, Phone0Ix?
Idrc about him cause I have his role pm
Well the rest of us do, or at least should care. For some reason the town let him get away with that statement and hardly questioned him at all. What town motivation would you have to not try and provide some insight, seeing that you know what his role was?
In post 1093, eth0s wrote:(this is all assuming lich is telling the truth ofc) It doesn't matter if the MRB does or does not feel comfortable right now. It only matters that he is currently alive. The moment the MRB gets lynched I say they NK Lich. Until then they need to keep him around to continue distracting the town with his scummy plays. They're probably hoping we just lynch him anyway as this town is having trouble forming a wagon and Lich is somewhat of an easy lynch target.
well the moment a roleblocker dies, not only is lich free to do whatever he wants - he's also pretty much confirmed, since a rb flip puts us in the setup with a cop
I don't think scum is banking on having lich lynched though. that's a bit far-fetched
I mean Lich was L-1 with what I perceived to be intent to hammer, with quite a bit of time left in the day. He generally caused chaos and has had most players say something negative about his play at one point or another. I don't see it as far-fetched at all.
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:03 am
by cyrus62
i wanted to add i didnt excastly push for a lynch i was asking what others thoughts were . but also i throw the idea out with out posting a vote. also the game was delay d for 5 days over .these two
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:06 am
by eth0s
Even if scum doesn't bank on Lich being Lynched there is virtually no reason for them to NK him right now because no one trusts him and he doesn't scumhunt
pedit
In post 1103, cyrus62 wrote:i wanted to add i didnt excastly push for a lynch i was asking what others thoughts were . but also i throw the idea out with out posting a vote. also the game was delay d for 5 days over .these two
Tbh I would have felt better if you did just put a vote on someone, and make a compelling argument. Because to me it looks like you were just testing the waters which is what I would expect from newb!scum
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:09 am
by eth0s
Also, I would have been criticizing cyrus harder had I noticed that the scum have their private thread open all the time. I apparently missed that and just noticed it after my catch-up... But yeah I am pretty sure that some of cyrus' flipflopping has to do with being fed information over a PT
What do you think of the behavior of the guy you replaced, Phone0Ix?
Idrc about him cause I have his role pm
Well the rest of us do, or at least should care. For some reason the town let him get away with that statement and hardly questioned him at all. What town motivation would you have to not try and provide some insight, seeing that you know what his role was?
People basically just accepted this as a joke and Phone0Ix never had any pressure on him. I thought that was really weird. Why do you think he would do that? I mean this is newbie but still..
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:28 am
by TemporalLich
I still think Spangled is scum and needs to be voted
People basically just accepted this as a joke and Phone0Ix never had any pressure on him. I thought that was really weird. Why do you think he would do that? I mean this is newbie but still..
Why I am voting Cyrus, and why we should lynch him today.
1. Flip-flopping and nonsensical statements
Spoiler:
In post 9, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time
this is low relevance but I still potentially see this as a taunt. My reasoning is further amplified after Cyan said this
In post 382, Cyan Talon wrote:So we should probably find something to spark discussion with.
Starting with, I'd like to actually express some doubts about Cyrus here. While I appreciate that he's towning up, the town game he previously mentioned shows him being all over the place with his words and actions. Oddly, I find him more organized in this game than in that one, and it's pinging a few alarms.
I'm not keen on voting him for just this, since it could also be a result of him improving and not being fed information by a partner, but I really don't know how someone suddenly goes from newbie spewer to town leader level in the interval of, like, 1 game.
This is probably the weakest of things to suspect someone from, but let's talk about Cyrus if it helps.
It seems cyrus genuinely does want feedback from Cyan, and when I first saw Cyan's flip I was like "oh, the taunt post I made about cyrus could be relevant here since he called out change in Cyrus' meta", but then it turns out Cyan basically screamed I'M A DOCTOR in 2 of his posts so this is probably not worth much as Cyan was destined to die after he claimed.
In post 757, osuka wrote:so basically what you're saying is that it's impossible to meta read you at this time
It is and it isn't. If you look at his game there, you actually get a peek at how he operates, which I'd say is along the lines of 'moderately unreasonable'.
He might be aware of his meta, he might also be a pretty weird player overall. Right now, I'm leaning on Cyrus being town as a carry-over from said game; there's just the idea that he's being too scummy to be scum that I had in said game, and honestly I'm feeling it here.
If anything is nagging me now, it's the moment he took charge of the town early (current) game before reverting back to his old self.
Notice that last line there. Somewhere between 382 and 762 cyan claims that the leadership part of Cyrus' play has started to disappear. Robb stopped regularly posting at 416 and replaced out entirely at 612. This is more circumstancial evidence that suggests maybe he was getting some advice from Robb in their PT. Is it a coincidence that 416 was rob's last game related post and in 438 cyrus mentions his V/LA? Robb stated that he was going on V/LA in the main thread and continued to stay active, but shortly after he stopped being active, Cyrus is speaking for him?
76 and 82 show cyrus being very attentive to rob's votecount, and perhaps overly cautious about it. 89 looks like cyrus playing mindgames. Pointing out something irrelevant to make someone else look towny while sort of hinting at being glad that rob is no longer L-1. 213 he is once again defending rob. Then once Cyrus made his post saying Rob is vla (which felt very awkward given his ISO, he starts kind of accusing robb in 474 and 476?
In post 482, TemporalLich wrote:I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.
Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.
Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?
Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?
Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.
i stated that rob was at l1 and he unvoted so i didnt have to do anything and i didnt vote him now did i
weird.
Then in his next posts (there are so many of them I am tired of linking them all, just look at his ISO) is when he starts kinda defending TemporalLich and agreeing that Spangled and Sera are rolefishing. Now, To me it didn't look like rolefishing at all. Temporal was playing scummy as fuck, and for some reason Cyrus wants to defend him. Which is why Temporal is my 2nd most likely scumpartner for Cyrus.Even if Temporal isn't scum, Cyrus could just be using the opportunity to pocket Temporal and look like he is preventing rolefishing to get towncred. Cyrus probably expected Temporal to get lynched at this point and either knew he would flip town and get towncred, or they are scumpartners and knew he wouldnt have to vote because TL told him he would claim a pr in their private thread.
In post 504, Spangled wrote:Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.
I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...
I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.
do you see the rows if temp is cop we may just have 6 vt and then we lose are only pr
In post 519, cyrus62 wrote:are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.
idk if this is actually sus or not but it feels like it to me after building this case on Cyrus.
In post 539, cyrus62 wrote:i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.
misrepping and opportunism.
In post 553, cyrus62 wrote:note i havent voted yet so yes you two got 2 points for that play and i wont vote till some one has 10 points
In post 567, Cyan Talon wrote:They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to
then lets hope theres a doc right other wise all this did was get a pr killed
lucky doctor guess? Probably irrelevant.
In post 586, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.
from 2 points to 10 points really quick eh?
In post 587, cyrus62 wrote:scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .
clearly he equates lurking with being scum, and has made it a point to remind us multiple times how much he posts. LAMIST?
In post 597, Sera Masumi wrote:Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.
show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer
Lemme threaten to case you as a scum after I already voted for you? this goes back to one of my first major criticisms of cyrus on my catchup posts:
In post 607, cyrus62 wrote:i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy
but in town play like you
i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to
prove that i am town like you and temp
so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.
Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.
In post 617, Spangled wrote:If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.
let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.
still lamist.
In post 680, cyrus62 wrote:i honestly feel spangled was just scum hunting and maybe sera was too what makes me wonder is why did the new guy vote for after you climed pr and no one counter you
flips his perspective without explaining why. Still voting for Sera at this point too.
In post 874, cyrus62 wrote:i wii make this know here and now im not okay with a cyan lynch so i will not vote them
gotta let us know he wont lynch the doctor claim?
In post 908, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: Cyan. after seeing i have no choise i vote cyan not that i wanted to
"oh wait actually I will lynch the doctor claim, even tho I made such a big deal about outing prs!"
2. Reads
Spoiler:
In post 141, cyrus62 wrote:i'm trying we still in page 6 and until the game is in full swing we wont have much to go on i think the best thing to do is maybe cast a vote on some one now and see where it leads. cyan didn't give me much of a response so i think that's how town would act. given it was rvs
"Do as I say, not as I do." His vote is still RVS on cyan at this point. He makes 43 more posts before he unvotes cyan (then lingers with no vote for 71 more posts until he votes Sera). Why does he say we should be voting on people and then doing the complete opposite?
In post 18, cyrus62 wrote:why would i give reads on the 1st page when theres still people not yet to post dont be so hasty let others post then i can give reads.
Waiting to pocket reads? Maybe not... But he also waited until 16 days into the game to give a readslist, which would give him plenty of time to do so.
In post 62, cyrus62 wrote:welcome so now the game can start now that every ones here
The game had already started...
i like to wait for every one to post once before i get out of rvs mode since then i can start reading players based on thire post content and how help for it is. and how many there is. as knowing this can help me find scum
Everyone had posted looong before he finally gave reads. Not incriminating by itself but he even said he was going to, under these conditions, but didn't.
In post 93, cyrus62 wrote:so temp what are your reads so far and why?
asking for reads but still not posting his
In post 374, cyrus62 wrote:not enough post from any one yet to form proper reads
almost 200 thread posts later, still no reads.
In post 1042, cyrus62 wrote:town
lich cop clime
cyan flip doc
spangled town
red null
rob scum lean
sera scum lean
me watcher
wenmester town lean
adoable townish
sorry to throse who replaced in i couldn't remember all your names yet but there is my read it took 16 days to get enough information to give a good read i dont just hand these out i study carefully and will do cases on why i find you scummy later on also pc isuse still happening but will keep playing though as much as i can looking to get a new charger soon.
almost 700 posts later lol and with no explanations given. He now townreads spangled and and townleans Whemestar? Weird.
In post 1024, TemporalLich wrote:Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me
he literally gave away his role 2 times. HIS EXACT ROLE. If you read the setup information post (2) then you would understand this
you seem to very smart i like your follow though and will most likely sheep your vote . this game is way to far over the place in a 16 day 1st day we should have been able to find all of scum and i get I'm not helping much i just felt it was super bad for us for both prs to out them selfs on d1 if you think lich isn't telling the truth am inclend to have faith in it. been having a pc issue for almost 10days now.
why want to sheep me already? he was nullreading my slot before I joined in and never even tried to interact with me before saying he would sheep me?
3. Weird phone interactions
Spoiler:
In post 78, cyrus62 wrote:its okay phone if you think hes scum vote for him i was just leting you know hes at l1
Innocent or trying to get another newb to do his bidding?
In post 89, cyrus62 wrote:phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast
sus
4. Trying to save his day one?
Spoiler:
In post 127, cyrus62 wrote:no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.
Robb/Osuka is one of my top suspects for being scum if Cyrus is, and this to me looks like cyrus either trying to scare Adorable into lynching him quickly (which would cut d1 short, not as bad as a long d1 scum lynch) or not lynching him at all (scum partner lives)
5. Another random flip flop
Spoiler:
In post 406, cyrus62 wrote:yea connar and phone could be scum maybe as of now both of them are bloging the game now
In post 408, cyrus62 wrote:if you think about it phone and conner are helping us because the days paused so we have longer to find scum
quick change of heart?
Originally this was all going to be organized better but oh well. I had over 250 posts to go through from him alone. Anyway this is scum, and if it isn't, it's going to distract me too much because town!cyrus62 doesn't make sense. I want to get around to interacting with everyone and form some better reads and then lynch this guy.
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:30 pm
by TemporalLich
I can't see that cyrus scumcase (despite at least 5 being good) coming from town
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:33 pm
by TemporalLich
I can't see eth0s being scum with cyrus regardless, I highly doubt the scumcase is a bus, but it feels hollow
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:19 pm
by eth0s
In post 1114, TemporalLich wrote:I can't see eth0s being scum with cyrus regardless, I highly doubt the scumcase is a bus, but it feels hollow
It feels hollow? You haven't made a case on anyone and in fact you completely dropped the ball causing yourself to have to claim PR, with no real reason. Also, who have you not voted for this game? Why is it that you're willing to vote on people for little to no reason but I can give you an entire rundown of a sketchy ISO and you are hesitant to vote?
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:33 pm
by eth0s
Honestly Temporal if you aren't lying you're just delusional. Tell me where that was hollow? Why would you be vote flipping around like mad earlier on people with no cases, yet call this hollow? I mean FFS he even told me he would sheep me and stated that he might be okay with lynching you today and I still push him because I see him as scummier than you. Just know that if you aren't lying, your role is already completely useless until we kill MRB, and then you 99% get nightkilled. So with that being said I am not afraid to lynch you today if you are going to keep playing like you did on day one. But I'm not voting on any case you make unless it's a damn good case
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:34 pm
by eth0s
Just keep making face value statements with absolutely no logic to back them up, and see how far that gets you.
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:37 pm
by TemporalLich
what are your thoughts on Spangled then?
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:39 pm
by Spangled
eth0s I feel a wee bit pocketed; I don't know if I featured as much in the game as you're making out.
I don't know what I'm feeling here; I'm probably just paranoid.
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:44 pm
by eth0s
I honestly don't know what to tell you about that because my reads probably differ vastly from yours. You had a nice, towny start but then you started making a lot of questionable posts. In fact, you are one of the 2 people I would compromise lynch today, with Temporal.
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:45 pm
by eth0s
Plus you've basically been townreading cyrus all game, and wven when you're not you make it obvious that part of you wants to. Not sure how you would feel pocketed by me but I'm all ears if you want to explain.
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:49 pm
by WhemeStar
In post 1120, eth0s wrote:I honestly don't know what to tell you about that because my reads probably differ vastly from yours. You had a nice, towny start but then you started making a lot of questionable posts. In fact, you are one of the 2 people I would compromise lynch today, with Temporal.
We aren’t lynching TemporalLich
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:49 pm
by TemporalLich
In post 1116, eth0s wrote:Honestly Temporal if you aren't lying you're just delusional. Tell me where that was hollow? Why would you be vote flipping around like mad earlier on people with no cases, yet call this hollow? I mean FFS he even told me he would sheep me and stated that he might be okay with lynching you today and I still push him because I see him as scummier than you. Just know that if you aren't lying, your role is already completely useless until we kill MRB, and then you 99% get nightkilled. So with that being said I am not afraid to lynch you today if you are going to keep playing like you did on day one. But I'm not voting on any case you make unless it's a damn good case
I don't see 9 as a taunt as all, it's a freaking RVS vote.
Your response to 382 boils down to "cyrus actually wants feedback from Cyan but he's still scum because Cyan claimed doctor", like seriously that doesn't click. By that logic you should be deathtunneling me because I claimed cop.
Phone seemed like newbie!town, and how cyrus saying phone's vote is L-1 then pointing out phone jumped off the wagon when cyrus said it was L-1 implicates cyrus is beyond me.
... and now you accuse cyrus of pocketing me
ugh #1 of your scumcase is awful, plus it seems you're SRing cyrus for the reason I TR cyrus
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:52 pm
by TemporalLich
I can't take #2 without dying from hypernatremia since it's blindingly obvious cyrus is posting his thoughts as he reads, aka cyrus is a thoughtstream