Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[rb]

billy's early posts are good fmpov

[rb]

idk if i already said that or not, but i liked his entrance

[Wooper]

I think Billy is town yeah I don't think I have reads on any lurkslots aorn

pedit: yes /o/

[rb]

ok cool

pls be town tho wooper

[Kerset]

There are two days left so i have to compromise. Back in time when rb voted me you did join this wagon and keep saying that we are both sus. You did say that rb is sus but only when skitter gave this idea. You faded away from rb when you saw that skitter is lonely in this and you faded away from me when ppl from my wagon were fading. When you voted her, she was already sus by others bc of her billy vote so you did fit. You even revealed this state of mind in 986

[Wooper]

Which lurker shall we decimate Mr. Rub?

[Something_Smart]

UNVOTE:

I'm getting tunneled.

I blame Sirfetchd.

[Wooper]

before your head is unstuck--can you explain what you were seeing in scum!Billy to me rq?

[Something_Smart]

rb was 1026 a bluff or what?

[Something_Smart]

About to leave work but this:

Someone give me the cliff notes on billy scum case.

889 - 890

And then his recent posting felt very reactive. Don't remember any more off the top of my head.

[Wooper]

Understood - why aren't you voting?

[rb]

not really, it's an accurate representation of my experience

but my sample size of 3 doesn't mean that it hasn't happened elsewhere with different alignments, or that it's the only way this happens.

it does mean im totally fine with lynching you unless you do town stuff though

[rb]

contrasting billy's reactive posting where he's pressuring slots and giving thoughts on the game

with reactive posting which is just defensiveness and shading

why would you scumread billy over xayah or kerset?

[Wooper]

Your posts from 868 onward seem way more focused on justifying yourself than on actually forming reads. As in, you're not saying "this is what I think and this is why I think it," you're saying, "look at everything I'm doing and why it could be coming from town."

Billy is fairly inexperienced (but a good newbie!) and is being heavily pressured on d1. Do you think it's instinctual for newbtown to ignore pressure on them and instead go into hyperfocused solving mode? His posting before this fairly advanced stage of his ISO is also pretty pro-solve. the only thing I'm iffy on is that he keeps asking questions which he doesn't appear to follow through on but I think I can sort through this in realtime pretty quick My main issue here is I don't see how you think his defensiveness in this gamestate is scum indicative

Man, I was thinking you were town earlier, but now I'm not sure.

This is one of the worst lines in the entire string of posts, because it sets your previous reasoning aside and frames Luca as untrustworthy because he made a subjective comment that incriminates you.

Worst optically yes but again I'm not sure how you reach that it's scummy.. There's no downward trajectory on Luca who is fairly widely townread from what I can tell--you don't think scum!Billy in this case would be anxious about suddenly dropping his read on Luca?

Do you think this kind of whiplash read change style actually comes from scum? I hate the "what's the holistic motivation behind it?" thing but I'm not really sure why scum!Billy is incentivised to do it here. It just read like an actual read he was trying on for size.

And then his recent posting felt very reactive. Don't remember any more off the top of my head.

Yes it has been. He's a newbie under pressure d1 who doesn't want to be lynched. Not sure how you're seeing scum here.


Just a note you opened this phase self-voting, then voteparked Billy for ages, then unvoted. You got no other scumreads or avenues worth pursuing this close to deadline?

Understand you've been tunnelled on Billy but for someone tunnelling scum d1 it doesn't feel like you've spent a lot of time actually...you know...looking for or evaluating scummy things he's done

I'm a bit surprised you've wasted this phase tunnelling someone you don't have much of a read on SS.

[rb]

oh yay wooper is town

[Wooper]

that's not even the towny bit rub :/

[Flubbernugget]

Today was fucking terrible.

I'm going to do my best to catch up

[Sirfetchd]

UNVOTE:

I'm getting tunneled.

I blame Sirfetchd.

bruh

Also yeah, the point isn't that Xayah is posting, the point is that the posting is p much entirely self preservation and defending. She doesn't have a game changing PR, she's too far down. She's not better than half the playlist to justify being left alive for the sake of it.

So logic would dictate that she's probs scum. The fact that she is purposefully missing the point on her own case that I am certain she is able to parse and is instead choosing not to, just makes me more certain of the read.

[Sirfetchd]

that's not even the towny bit rub :/

Proxying vote to dirty scum was the towny bit.

[Something_Smart]

Do you think it's instinctual for newbtown to ignore pressure on them and instead go into hyperfocused solving mode?

False dichotomy. I would expect a natural response to be "damn, gotta show them how town I am," which isn't completely incongruous with what he did but it's definitely closer to the natural scum response of "damn, gotta get them off my back."

[Wooper]

Today was fucking terrible.

I'm going to do my best to catch up

hope you're okay flubs

[Sirfetchd]

I think it's NAI.

As I mentioned previously, I can cite early scum games of mine where I stubbornly went, if I never defend myself it will be wife and they would have to think I'm being town with an objective mentality.

Never worked for me, but I did it.

I think anything is realistically in the scope of a newbie under pressure.

[Wooper]

Do you think it's instinctual for newbtown to ignore pressure on them and instead go into hyperfocused solving mode?

False dichotomy. I would expect a natural response to be "damn, gotta show them how town I am," which isn't completely incongruous with what he did but it's definitely closer to the natural scum response of "damn, gotta get them off my back."

then don't mind the false dichotomy, I'm being partially rhetorical to get an interesting response out of you. how did you parse that this comes from scum rather than newbtown? I think it's completely intuitive for newbtown to flail to throw people off their back and his flailing doesn't feel scummy

the other parts of the post were the parts I was more interested in

[Something_Smart]

My main issue here is I don't see how you think his defensiveness in this gamestate is scum indicative

I don't remember where I heard this

But someone talked about explaining how what you did COULD make sense from town is a scumtell, and it's super accurate to how I played as a newbie, and that's what I see

Idk why you're asking me to justify a read I just admitted I was tunneled into.

[Something_Smart]

Also sorry if you will be around in a few hours I can have much better real time interaction. Preparing to hand out candy to trick-or-treaters so I'm confined to my phone which makes this much harder.