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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:15 am
by insomnia
I am not that confident on profii, but I am more confident in Looker being scum here.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:17 am
by Ame
In post 1068, insomnia wrote:Making the case isn't scummy, having the confidence you have on it I think was what he was trying to point out was scummy. If you believe you're rarely right on something, why would you display such confidence?
When I'm investigating someone or making a case, I pursue it in full even if I don't feel confident behind the scenes. This helps me to get better reads on the player and those around them. Often times I'll start town reading someone almost immediately into my questioning, but maintain the poker face so I can continue to get authentic reads off them (such was the case with my Luca questioning who came off as town to me pretty much right away, and my Chara push who I was leaning town on pretty much after your back and forth. In cases like these I'm looking to confirm my stance and clear up any discrepancies). There are also times when I speak matter of factly as a rhetorical technique to help get my point across (such was the case when I gave you my perspective on Egixs profii read). Generally though I'm never fully confident in my reads and always reevaluate behind the scene.
Regarding the JTB-Egix case, however, I genuinely was just confident haha. But it wasn't my intention to make people think I was right? I wanted to know what people thought.
When I'm SURE sure on something I'll make it explicit with key words such as "confident," "confirmed," and "locked."
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:20 am
by ObviousScum
In post 1101, Ame wrote:When I'm SURE sure on something I'll make it explicit with key words such as "confident," "confirmed," and "locked."
To be clear, you're also asking why I ignored you saying I was "confirmed" to you?
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:22 am
by Wimpy
I feel like I’m in the twilight zone. I had looked in my list and I felt like people didn’t agree. I remove him from my list and now people scum read him.
I now town read the bird and OS also (let’s see if this works)
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:23 am
by Wimpy
looker*
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:28 am
by insomnia
In post 223, Ame wrote:@Chara
In post 206, Chara wrote:
Looker wearing his heart on his sleeve (along with his process) is interesting. i kind of like it.
(1) What in Looker's post above are you referencing as wearing their heart on their sleeve? (2) Have you played with Looker before?
This was...hmmmmmmmmmmm. This is the only time Ame /acknowledged/ the Looker slot, but I don't think the intent of this question is to help Ame sort Chara here, I feel like it serves more of a purpose of making Chara here expound on their Looker soft town read, and therefore, making them feel better about the slot. But these questions themselves don't really help Ame sort anything here. I feel like she could've seen what Chara meant by reading back and then agreeing / disagreeing, whereas, this is just asking Chara to point out the obvious. If it wasn't obvious, I feel as though it would've prompted Ame to disagree with Chara here and use it as an opportunity to sort them.
So, keep this in mind, and see how the read is progressing, and the next time Ame ever mentions Looker in their iso :
In post 744, Ame wrote:
Looker actually is a viable option. I'll change my back up to her. She can only be scum with you or Egix though, so the best play is all to lynch you vig Egix.
Insomnia led the lynch on Aaron. EV threw shade at a concensus town read for voting Aaron and so is pseudo confirmed to me.
Really, if you ctrl + f "Looker" in Ame's ISO, this is the only post where she gives an actual stance on him. And it's already pre-planning a bus, even though there was no previous consideration. Seems weird. Keep in mind, this is also before OS outed the mechanical aspect of the read. So this read really came out of thin air.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:30 am
by insomnia
I'd just lynch Looker here based on him being scum independently, but if he actually were to flip scum, then that would look really bad for Ame, and I'm confident in calling a vig shot on Ame if Looker will get lynched and flip red. (Which I, by the way, advocate for
)
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:31 am
by insomnia
In post 1101, Ame wrote: In post 1068, insomnia wrote:Making the case isn't scummy, having the confidence you have on it I think was what he was trying to point out was scummy. If you believe you're rarely right on something, why would you display such confidence?
When I'm investigating someone or making a case, I pursue it in full even if I don't feel confident behind the scenes. This helps me to get better reads on the player and those around them. Often times I'll start town reading someone almost immediately into my questioning, but maintain the poker face so I can continue to get authentic reads off them (such was the case with my Luca questioning who came off as town to me pretty much right away, and my Chara push who I was leaning town on pretty much after your back and forth. In cases like these I'm looking to confirm my stance and clear up any discrepancies). There are also times when I speak matter of factly as a rhetorical technique to help get my point across (such was the case when I gave you my perspective on Egixs profii read). Generally though I'm never fully confident in my reads and always reevaluate behind the scene.
Regarding the JTB-Egix case, however, I genuinely was just confident haha. But it wasn't my intention to make people think I was right? I wanted to know what people thought.
When I'm SURE sure on something I'll make it explicit with key words such as "confident," "confirmed," and "locked."
You said "Good game!"
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:37 am
by insomnia
I honestly will be sitting on an Ame - Looker solve until someone comes with something more relevant, and will probably focus my attention on solidifying my town reads so that I make sure this is the actual solve.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:47 am
by Ame
Wow! I didn't forsee this, I thought the game was in the bag!
InsomniOS VS LAme
Who will win!?
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:50 am
by insomnia
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:50 am
by profii
In post 1002, Ame wrote: In post 784, Ame wrote:The case here viewtopic.php?p=11531677#p11531677
There's three things I'd like your opinion on specifically:
1. The JTB/Egix/Aaron case I made
here.
2. Egix having a solid town read on you yesterday. My view is that it was unwarranted and he was coming from a place of TMI.
3. His going after Al for apparently attempting to role fish Looker, but doing so in a way that actually brought attention to Looker. #
249,
266,
343,
371
I look at this slightly differently to you
You said the players had a hard one for me but egix seemed to be saying people were not being reasonable by voting me so early... I took hard one to mean scum read to be confused
However about point 3 and the pr stuff - egix and looker are in the hood right? I've been bitten both ways by assuming scum would be in the hood and trusting scum in the hood when I'm town (cough gobble!)
So whilst a bit of me thinks be careful in thinking its likely that one scum is in the hood I think this PR spec stuff is probably just crumbing for later which strikes me as odd - i recently didn't crumb vig because the fact we have a kill means the claim resolves itself
I played very aggressively as a mason with luca because if we both claim it resolves itself
So why crumb in a hood? Not sure but it makes me suspicious of the intentions
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:51 am
by Ame
I was so curious to see how operating system would aim to turn this. You guys are amazing!
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:51 am
by profii
In post 1004, Wimpy wrote:@profli - Macabre was also hiding his statue and intentionally lurking. Right after I call him out for it he posts within 20 minutes and his log in status still said Saturday. Imo town doesn’t do that.
It really is birdman and Bart now OS.
I’m pretty confident in that solve.
I'm not a fan on activity based alignment spec sorry
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:53 am
by Luca Blight
On the subject of Looker, I found their
497 weird on a few levels.
1) they say the timings of my interaction with Frost post-slip is weird, which implies a negative opinion, but then wonders aloud if it clears me. This is also odd because Looker never refers back to this opinion of me again, but continues in their neutral stance towards me.
2) disagrees with my point against JT, saying we shouldn’t ‘penalizse’ him for giving reads. Why should anyone not be held accountable for their reads? It’s what the game of Mafia is based on. I can’t grasp this mindset at all.
3) throws random shade at EV, when Looker has been as much a bystander this game.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:56 am
by insomnia
Also this, I forgot to mention it. Nice call out.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:56 am
by Wimpy
In post 1113, profii wrote: In post 1004, Wimpy wrote:@profli - Macabre was also hiding his statue and intentionally lurking. Right after I call him out for it he posts within 20 minutes and his log in status still said Saturday. Imo town doesn’t do that.
It really is birdman and Bart now OS.
I’m pretty confident in that solve.
I'm not a fan on activity based alignment spec sorry
Can you even name a single protown thing he’s done? I doubt it
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:57 am
by profii
In post 1100, insomnia wrote:I am not that confident on profii, but I am more confident in Looker being scum here.
Help me with looker - I have just been in a couple of games with him rolling scum so far I'm a bit biased by his activity levels but I'm trying to ignore that and say that's just what you get from him
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:57 am
by insomnia
Wimpy you're being massively anti-town. Please comment on the subject of Looker / Ame and stop unhealthy tunnels, the crow is spewed and the epitome of towniness.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:58 am
by profii
In post 1116, Wimpy wrote: In post 1113, profii wrote: In post 1004, Wimpy wrote:@profli - Macabre was also hiding his statue and intentionally lurking. Right after I call him out for it he posts within 20 minutes and his log in status still said Saturday. Imo town doesn’t do that.
It really is birdman and Bart now OS.
I’m pretty confident in that solve.
I'm not a fan on activity based alignment spec sorry
Can you even name a single protown thing he’s done? I doubt it
Do you think you can name more anti town things than I can name pro town?
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:58 am
by insomnia
In post 1117, profii wrote: In post 1100, insomnia wrote:I am not that confident on profii, but I am more confident in Looker being scum here.
Help me with looker - I have just been in a couple of games with him rolling scum so far I'm a bit biased by his activity levels but I'm trying to ignore that and say that's just what you get from him
I posted a big case that goes into some of the posts, also, Luca made a good point about the comment on EVL.
I just thought his whole wall when he voted Aaron was really bad, can't quite put my finger on it though. But if you want some concrete stuff, I went over it in my wall.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:59 am
by Wimpy
In post 1119, profii wrote: In post 1116, Wimpy wrote: In post 1113, profii wrote: In post 1004, Wimpy wrote:@profli - Macabre was also hiding his statue and intentionally lurking. Right after I call him out for it he posts within 20 minutes and his log in status still said Saturday. Imo town doesn’t do that.
It really is birdman and Bart now OS.
I’m pretty confident in that solve.
I'm not a fan on activity based alignment spec sorry
Can you even name a single protown thing he’s done? I doubt it
Do you think you can name more anti town things than I can name pro town?
I can name 82. What you got?
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:01 am
by profii
That wasnt my question
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:02 am
by Wimpy
In post 1118, insomnia wrote:Wimpy you're being massively anti-town. Please comment on the subject of Looker / Ame and stop unhealthy tunnels, the crow is spewed and the epitome of towniness.
I’m pushing my scum reads homie. How is that anti town?
I gave my lynch preference already. Marcbre/OS/you/looker. I removed looker cause I couldn’t find what I thought I saw.
You’re being anti town cause you aren’t reading my posts and for falsely accusing me of being anti town for pushing who I think is scum.
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:02 am
by insomnia
In post 1118, insomnia wrote:Wimpy you're being massively anti-town. Please comment on the subject of Looker / Ame and stop unhealthy tunnels, the crow is spewed and the epitome of towniness.
