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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:02 pm
by AaronFrost
In post 1073, clidd wrote:'' I didn't get that he selfvoted as a "trap". I'm sorry, clidd, but I never see self-voting like that as town-indicative. My first thought is always scum AtE. But maybe that's just how my brain is wired to never self-vote as any alignment if you want to win, so I just see it like that ''
That's it, I remembered.
Hectic locktown
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Scum don't have daytalk (unless they have an encrypter that we don't know about) so if that's the case then scum!Hectic wouldn't be able to say to his buddy "hey don't self-hammer"
If Hectic's most recent scumgame is anything to go off of, he likes to distance from his partners and avoid drawing associations.
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:08 pm
by AaronFrost
In post 1084, clidd wrote:I'm overthinking too much about how voracious Insomnia defended him. But, definitely, he would seem extremely suspicious with the argument against Luca, so even if Luca was lynched, Insomnia would be linked to Aaron the next day, so it would be quicker to conclude that the two were partners. This scenario would not make sense, considering the motivation of the deathtunnel was to distort possible reads about Aaron from then on.
If you want some insight into how I play scum,
First of all, I suck at it.
Second, I wouldn't just blatantly follow my partner onto whatever push they're doing, I'd try to look for another player to push which would give us as many mislynches as possible. Because if a Luca lynch did go through, it would be bad for the both of us.
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:22 pm
by AaronFrost
In post 1092, Ame wrote:@Aaron
In post 149, AaronFrost wrote: In post 142, Wimpy wrote:I think we should rush it cause this game will become pretty hard to read if one of us isn’t resolved quickly.
I want other people to weigh in on this
Why did you want other people to comment on this?
This was when the you vs. Wimpy thing happened right? I wanted others' opinions because Wimpy was trying to rush a lynch onto either himself or you, he was pushing that narrative HARD. I didn't want a lynch to be rushed leaving us with no info for the next day.
In post 428, AaronFrost wrote: In post 422, Ame wrote:Aaron is trending down for seemingly not comprehending my sarcasm, which is just weird.
Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text, I don't get why that's AI.
It reveals to me that you weren't actually paying much attention to my posts. Can you walk me through your thought process when reading them? I'm particularly interested what you thought I meant when I was speaking of analyzing voice patterns.
I'll be honest, I had no idea what you were talking about. I was confused by a lot of your earlier posts and didn't realize they weren't meant to be taken seriously.
In post 541, AaronFrost wrote:nippleflips
461 is pretty jarring with the knowledge that he replaced into a slot that insomnia was already scumreading in the referenced game.
What about this is jarring? This is suspicious to me because neither your or Insomnia's logic makes sense here.
It felt weird because in that game, somni was already scumreading the slot before flippynips replaced in, so he wasn't really scumreading flippynips there, he was scumreading his predecessor.
In post 542, AaronFrost wrote:I don't get your point about my Ame read. I did reconsider it back when I said that Ame's page 9 was good and while her town equity was rising I'm also well aware scum would do everything in that situation to get themselves townread (or at least try to).
I don't get this either. If I were scum, why wouldn't I just play "obvtown" from the beginning?
You could, but if you're scum and under pressure from someone, the natural reaction is to try and act townier.
In post 721, AaronFrost wrote: In post 612, Luca Blight wrote:\The close-mindedness of Insomnia’s Luca/Flips push is so lazy and terrible that he’s probably scum.
This is the kind of statement that I almost never expect to come from town!Luca nor was insomnia pushing a Luca/flippynips team. He said it was a TMI read which implies that you both can't be scum together.
Why isn't this something you exected from town!Luca? Please elaborate thoroughly.
Having played with town!Luca a lot, I would expect a lot more analysis on insomnia's push other than "it's lazy and terrible and he's scum for it" but in hindsight it makes sense knowing that the two are masons.
In post 1054, AaronFrost wrote: In post 1052, Ame wrote: In post 1050, AaronFrost wrote:It's not the preferred situation for him, but there was about 12 hours left on the deadline when he was put at L-1. It would've been nearly impossible for him to turn the target on someone else, especially after the mason claims.
But what's the advantage of hammering?
That's what I'm trying to figure out
You stated why you believed he hammered here:
In post 1047, AaronFrost wrote: In post 1039, clidd wrote:He hammered himself to prevent his partner from hammering him. This would probably support Luca's hypothesis about the second scum being out of the wagon. Or, he thought he couldn't afford more time at that moment, as something might come up.
I think it's more likely he hammered himself because it was nearing the end of the day and he knew he wasn't escaping a lynch
Which implies that you have some reason behind why you think it's the case? What is that reason? What is the advantage of ending the day?
I didn't say that he did it specifically to end the day, I said he did it because the end of day was approaching and it's unrealistic to expect insomnia to get another lynch going on someone else when he's at L-1, which would also spew them as town if he tried.
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:23 pm
by AaronFrost
I'll do a reread tomorrow, in the meantime I have a midterm to study for tomorrow.
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm
by clidd
I'll get some rest. Posting tomorrow.
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:14 pm
by Ame
In post 1097, dsjstr wrote: In post 1091, Ame wrote:@dsjstr
In post 976, dsjstr wrote:It could be clidd/Insomnnia Hectic/Insomnia, I think we just have to lynch Insomnia
(1) Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that it was Insomnia here? Why was Karnage and Aaron out of the running for you? You had previously stated suspicions on Aaron.
(2) Why didn't you vote Insomnia?
(3) Why would Luca not dying warrant neighbors claiming?
(4) Why do
you
think Somni self-hammered?
1. I put Hectic because of his voting pattern, at the time it made sense to have clidd as a partner don't remember exactly what I was thinking.
2. I was willing to place a vote on clidd at the time
3. Then it would be 4-3 conftown and an unavoidable town win.
4. Hide the other scum in the pack of people off the lynch or its Clidd
1a. What do you mean by his voting pattern?
1b. Are you saying you don't remember your reasoning for thinking Clidd was Insomnia's partner? You made it pretty clear over multiple posts.
1c. You didn't answer the question: you stated that it made sense to lynch insomnia because the team could be insomnia/clidd or insomnia/Hectic. Why couldn't the team be Clidd/Karnage, Clidd/Aaron, Hectic/Karnage, Hectic/Aaron, or Karnage/Hectic?
2a. Why didn't you place a vote on Clidd?
2b. The wagons had come down to Insomnia and Karnage. You thought it made sense to lynch Insomnia. What would have been the purpose of voting Clidd here?
3a. You stated something along the lines of "should we out if Luca doesn't die." Why would Luca being NKed or not be relevant as to whether or not neighbors claimed?
3b. How could there be 4 conftown if neighbors are unconfirmed to each other?
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:20 am
by Hectic
Ame, the thought process was hard to fabricate because each step had a an event attached to it and the reason felt legitimate, in that I could put myself into that PoV and see the same thing if you know what I mean. Sure, scum have a plan but probably not as detailed as that in terms of logic.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:22 am
by Hectic
In post 1090, Ame wrote:Why was there being an explanation enough for you, if it didn't warrant the transition?
Eh, I still found it weird after that, but your explanation for what you meant for "town axiom" later helped. Just was slightly better since if someone flips on a read and can't even come up with a realistic reason that's a huge scumtell.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:25 am
by Hectic
Yeah, clidd, I don't think that really justifies locking me as town, but I'd definitely agree with your reasoning if there was day chat lol. I really don't like people throwing in the towel with self-hammers; but it's usually worse when town does it over scum, since sometimes there's nothing scum can do.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:30 am
by Hectic
In post 1097, dsjstr wrote: In post 1091, Ame wrote:@dsjstr
In post 976, dsjstr wrote:It could be clidd/Insomnnia Hectic/Insomnia, I think we just have to lynch Insomnia
(1) Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that it was Insomnia here? Why was Karnage and Aaron out of the running for you? You had previously stated suspicions on Aaron.
(2) Why didn't you vote Insomnia?
(3) Why would Luca not dying warrant neighbors claiming?
(4) Why do
you
think Somni self-hammered?
1. I put Hectic because of his voting pattern, at the time it made sense to have clidd as a partner don't remember exactly what I was thinking.
2. I was willing to place a vote on clidd at the time
3. Then it would be 4-3 conftown and an unavoidable town win.
4. Hide the other scum in the pack of people off the lynch or its Clidd
In post 1098, dsjstr wrote:If everyone thinks that clidd is cleared then this game is still an unavoidable town win.
(Almost) unavoidable town win if everyone believes clidd is town only applies if he actually is town, which means you believe he's town. Your point (4) was dancing with the idea he was scum though. What makes you think that he's town now in the third post?
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:32 am
by Hectic
Basically, having everyone else think clidd is town does not = him actually being town if you scumread him. So the unavoidable town win thing based on the logic is Doroish in a bad way (there are good Doroisms too, dw).
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:35 am
by Hectic
Ame, Miami asked everything else I wanted to. Sorry if this feels like an interrogation, Doro; think of it as good cop, bad cop. (I'm the good one obviously so Ame's gonna need to start raging and pushing that caps lock key down soon).
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:38 am
by Hectic
In post 1100, AaronFrost wrote:If Hectic's most recent scumgame is anything to go off of, he likes to distance from his partners and avoid drawing associations.
Oh no
, I have non-negligible scum data now. You know I'm just gonna flip my playstyle every scum game now though, right?
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:00 am
by clidd
In post 1108, Hectic wrote:Yeah, clidd, I don't think that really justifies locking me as town, but I'd definitely agree with your reasoning if there was day chat lol. I really don't like people throwing in the towel with self-hammers; but it's usually worse when town does it over scum, since sometimes there's nothing scum can do.
Hum, this reaction makes me want to get a key to unlock the lock on my speculation about you. It seems very controlled and not genuine.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:02 am
by clidd
Anyways, I will stay true to my read.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:03 am
by clidd
Flashbacks of that Cheeky game..
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:13 am
by Hectic
Lul, alright. I'm not complaining
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:39 am
by Ame
HEY YOU SCUMMER YOU BEST TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW OR WELL DO BAD THINGS TO YOU, REEEAL BAAAD
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:58 am
by dsjstr
In post 1110, Hectic wrote:Basically, having everyone else think clidd is town does not = him actually being town if you scumread him. So the unavoidable town win thing based on the logic is Doroish in a bad way (there are good Doroisms too, dw).
When I self hammered as scum it was an attempt to make everyone think that I wanted the person off the wagon to get lynched and so the focus would be placed on everyone else. This is the complete opposite situation in terms of numbers. But that does not change the fact that insomnia most likely wanted to get the potential lynch off his scum buddy and on to clidd.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:01 am
by Hectic
Listen to me, Doro; I'm on
your
side here. Outside, there's people out there to get you that are capable of very bad things, but I REALLY do sympathise with you. If you help me; I can help you, and we'll get through this together, buddy.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:01 am
by dsjstr
Although I think I tend to think opposite in terms of how other players think. I'm curious about people still have the same opinion about what insomnia was thinking after hearing this.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:02 am
by Hectic
What, so you mean you think Somni self-hammered to make everyone on his wagon look good? Since that would imply there was no chance of him getting out it?
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:03 am
by dsjstr
Sorry guys I'm pocketed now, whats the plan Hectic
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:04 am
by Hectic
In post 1118, dsjstr wrote:But that does not change the fact that insomnia most likely wanted to get the potential lynch off his scum buddy and on to clidd.
Wait, what do you mean?
Is Somni trying to frame someone on or off his wagon? I thought you just implied the opposite.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:05 am
by Hectic
Don't tell anyone else but I'm mason recruiter. I'll be targeting you tonight. Keep this on the down low.