In post 772, Aloratom wrote:
I lost my grip on this game pretty early on due to people talking about things that I don't understand, referring to what I presume are games or comics or anime or something -- and using jargon and acronyms I'm not familiar with.
Me too, man. I've had to ask what certain acronyms and terms mean so many times this game. Can y'all like, explain what an acronym or term is the first time you use it in a sentence please? It would be very helpful!
I don't like that I have no vote down. Rest assured, by the time I'm done posting, I will.
I find that I develop much stronger reads on people when I've interacted with them, so can I answer this question after I talk with Tom?
I feel like I'm at the grocery every time I scroll down to your avatar. I haven't ISOed you yet. Who is in your lynch pool?
To be honest, I'm not sure anymore. My scumreads on Fuzzy, Pops and Paragon have all weakened.
You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?
Anyways, hopefully I'll have a bit more clarity with my reads by the end of the night. Let's go!
It helps when you're able to let your reads develop organically and not have them forced upon you I think. By your join date, I see that you've been around this a lot longer than I have, so I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know, but I've found it varies from game to game. And it's evolved for me since I started playing at the end of last year as well. I've found that it's usually not good for me to be forced to make reads because a lot of times those turn out to be mistakes. I prefer to take things in at my own pace. For me this makes for stronger, more correct reads.
I may agree with you on Paragon I think, although I need to go through an ISO there. But his Conspire deception is going to be a big factor in my analysis. That pretty much wiped out my first two or three days of reads before I became aware of what was happening and combined with the crazy way the posting has been in this game, my interest has waned significantly. I have a Town lean on Pops, and Fuzzy a scum lean still. I just need to go back and re-read/catch-up.
Yeah, definitely. I think another aspect to it is that it's been so long since my last game that I have very little confidence in my ability to scumhunt accurately. What I mean is that if I come up with a theory no one has thought off, I write it off because why would I be the only person to think of something that's actually correct? I feel like I'm more likely to vote accurately by trying to find a townread that I can trust, listen to what they have to say ,and vote in line with them (unless I happen to come across a particularly strong scumread or significantly disagree with them).
In post 763, eyestott wrote:@everyone: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?
Para. He's an asset as town and a significant threat as scum. It's best to sort him early.
In post 761, eyestott wrote:You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?
I'm still unsure about you. You've been pretty open but there's a paranoia coming from somewhere that I haven't identified yet. I plan on doing a thorough review of you today.
What is the most useful thing that Para has done in this game in your opinion, Ame?
eyy finally, SOMEONE suspects me!
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:24 pm
by eyestott
Current readslist, which will be updated very soon once I've gone through more of the recent game.
eyestott
Luca Blight
Aloratom
NDMath
Taly
Ame
Paragon
Yshtola Rhul
TheFuzzylogic99
popsofctown
No read: Taco and Wiisp (need to ISO them)
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:31 pm
by popsofctown
smh, complains no one scumreads him, then hard townreads himself in his readslist, such hypocrisy
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:49 pm
by Luca Blight
In post 1087, popsofctown wrote:VOTE: Y'shtola Rhul
I guess this is less vanityish than Taly.
I've seen self-post-restricted players play better than this.
It's spooky that it was similar to a towngame but her role was special and all that.
Luca, for fun, does the logic you used in autumnal mean lynching green!pops is would be more useful than lynching red!Rhul?
I'm interested by the idea of lynching town being "correct", I think Ankamius also believes that and she's like gurd, but it is a newsletter I have not quite subscribed for ever.
I’m not entirely sure what you mean in the context of this game. I don’t think your play is similar to that game (you were obvtown for a while, but I couldn’t shake the paranoia of you). This game I haven’t seen much that suggests I should be townreading you.
Obviously if Rhul is scum then lynching her would be more beneficial than lynching Town!Pops. I don’t have a confident read on her either way, however. I’d like to think contentless slots are automatically scum, but so often I’ve seen them flip Town.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:59 pm
by Taly
I'm going to do the things that I said I'll do ISO-wise by Thursday at the absolute latest, I need to start studying tomorrow as Spring Break is officially ending and my motivation is going on and off with this game since things in real life has just gone to a pause it feels.
I need a reset.
I'm starting my reads from scratch again.
@
everyone
: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?
I think I would keep my memory of the small sequence of Luca posts that seemed really town indicative to me. It's not impossible for me to decide the slot is scummy later but in Autumnal Luca stopped towntelling when the posture of the gamestate stopped lending itself easily to opportunities to do so, I would want to keep those on the balance sheet.
I'd discard townreads on eyestott and Paragon that are likely to regenerate themselves.
I'm not confident enough in any of my scumreads for them to be candidates for keeping.
I mostly like this answer and the reasoning behind it.
In post 843, Ame wrote:Ok yea Eyes is town. I fully agree with pops and Para on that one. Sorry Eyes I wanted to give you the being-scum-read experience but you're just too pure.
In post 855, Ame wrote:My play is so drastically different from my scum game, I think you would pick up on it.
2 scum really changes things.
Pops/Para : Luca/Para : Luca/Taly
One of these is the scum team.
Why just two scum? I realize there was a conversation about it earlier, but you sound pretty confident.
And are you basing the teams on associatives, scummy behavior or vote analysis?
Just the fact that I can't form a 3 person team. This is a post I was working on before but canceled once I realized none of the pairings worked:
I'm getting pretty close to the solve here. It's within pops, Luca, Para, Taly, Fuzzy.
Fuzzy =/= Taly 112, 153 (also town indicative for Taly)
Hmm I thought before that pop v taly looked bussy but reviewing 153 and 180 I don't think so. pops =/= Taly
Para =/ Taly bottom of 521.
Error pops =/ Luca based on the discussion regarding Rabid, especially 624 and 657
Solve broken. Back to the drawing board.
In post 858, popsofctown wrote:You started Purgatory with an extremely strong townread. I don't think those are categorically different. You had better reasoning in Purgatory though, which somehow means you should have a redder alignment in this game than that one. It's baffling.
It means the opposite. There I was concerned with being town read. Here I am not. Taly recognized this. And it feels like you're deliberately avoiding that conclusion.
I disagree with the conclusion, but the reasoning here and the attempt to solve feels quite townie to me.
In post 696, Paragon wrote:I would like popsofctown to be town for once, so I have decided that she is infact town. I would like her to know that I am
not
a framer.
Y'shtola Rhul, who is this sin-bringer you speak of that has entered our ranks? Is it popsofctown or someone else?
A Sign of a Red Colour, sporting the word "Stop"
Sin Eaters are the embodiment of the primordial light that threatens our world. I've lost the scent of that which I believe is our likeliest chance of hitting one such creature, but rest assured I will do my utmost to resume the chase by finding another.
In post 732, Taly wrote:geee, im definitely caught scum now, how the fuck will i ever recover after 725
hopes and dreams of ever reaching that don clerone scummy have been dashed, time to go back to the newbie queue and self-vote every game to repent my transgressions
Taly, how often do you get angry as a Warrior of Light and as a Sin Eater?
I don't like the content Yshtola is bringing out. The flavour behind the posting is making it very hard to follow, and I feel like she is putting much more effort into the flavour and hiding behind it than actually contributing to the game.
New Reads list:
eyestott
Luca Blight
Aloratom
Ame
NDMath
Taly
Paragon
Wiisp
popsofctown
TheFuzzylogic99
Yshtola Rhul
No read: Taco
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:40 pm
by NDMath
Towniest
Taly
eyestott
- I liked the point Taly made of a slot being too townread is bad, but I think it is fine with consideration to why they are so heavily townread.
Wiisp
- I just find myself liking his posts despite not always agreeing with it. I also see him as scum being more proactive right now. Like I don't see post 717 as scum since his position is something rather easy for mafia to utilize effectively to gain an advantage later.
Aloratom
- There was something they did that make me think "I suppose that makes up for there scummy early days. I should put them up here." Now that I'm filling in reasons I have no recollection of what that was.
Ame
- Has a very townie tone, especially now when the awkward phrasing Luca pointed out is clearly how they always talk. I would need to look at some meta before I would be willing to move them higher, though I don't see the need right now.
Taco
- When he is here the tone of his posts are slightly townie.
Luca Blight
- Whenever he says my name I get uncomfortable. I am now jotting that to paranoia of him forcing a hang on me again. I'm finding him slightly townie now because he isn't as aggressive as he I recall being in his scum game with me.
TheFuzzylogic99
- I don't have much to read off of other than most of the other people I scumread have been pushing him, so it doesn't really make sense for him to be scum. I would reconsider if someone else flips counter to what I was expecting.
Yshtola Rhul
- I can understand what they're saying but I've got no clue how to determine alignment out of it. They fit best here.
popsofctown
- This is primarily from what others are saying ngl.
Paragon
- My play style as scum is matching up with how he's playing. More specifically the reason why some things I do as scum but not as town are the things I'm nothing him doing. In addition as said earlier I really dislike his Taly attack.
Scummiest
I'll explain Tali read tomorrow with longer explanation than this stuff. I'm gonna sleep now.
I might have forgotten about something someone @'d at me.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:47 pm
by eyestott
oops, missed a post, response to page 33 coming up, this should be read before my previous post
In post 732, Taly wrote:geee, im definitely caught scum now, how the fuck will i ever recover after 725
hopes and dreams of ever reaching that don clerone scummy have been dashed, time to go back to the newbie queue and self-vote every game to repent my transgressions
This reads more like scum trying to emulate !town humor than it reads like town humor. It seems kind of off. Like, if I read it with the presumption Taly is scum, it is funny, and if I read it with the presumption Tally is town, it reads unfunny, and I kind of wouldn't expect town!Tally to post something like that? Most jokes are for ourselves to laugh at, after all. At least, with as few laughs as I get from others trying, they had better be.
Yeah... I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't agree with it.
I need a reset.
I'm starting my reads from scratch again.
@
everyone
: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?
Aloratom
-town, that's the read that helps me keep a grasp on the game at hand.
In a gamestate where 3 confident wagons crumbled for 0 reason,
Alo
asserting his push on
Paragon
and sticking by to what wagons he finds as town is +++ against lack of cohesion and promotes town direction. It doesn't align with a scum-motivated narrative or agenda.
Agreed, I initially was leaning scum for Alora, but I really like what he's been posting recently.
I find that I develop much stronger reads on people when I've interacted with them, so can I answer this question after I talk with Tom?
I feel like I'm at the grocery every time I scroll down to your avatar. I haven't ISOed you yet. Who is in your lynch pool?
To be honest, I'm not sure anymore. My scumreads on Fuzzy, Pops and Paragon have all weakened.
You know, I think I'm the only person in the game now that hasn't been the subject of a serious scumread and associating case against them.
I mean that no one has yet been like "Heres why eyestott is scum: yada yada yada"
It's good in that I can focus on reading people without also having to watch my back, but am I missing out on an integral part of the Mafia experience?
Anyways, hopefully I'll have a bit more clarity with my reads by the end of the night. Let's go!
good grief I want the whatever the opposite of a dayvig is so I can discharge it on this slot
like it hurts wow
Plz stop
In post 796, Taly wrote:i want to throw up at the gamelong white-knight
pops/paragon
have launched on
eyestott's
slot.
Me too tbh, I feel like I'm being catcalled
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:48 pm
by Wiisp
@Math
IDK about Paragon, but like he is super consistent post-wise, and if he is a wolf Idk if he can keep it up
but he doesnt feel like he is playing to hide the fact that he is a wolf
thought I do wish he didnt do that claim thing cause I have no idea how to read it
Ame should not be below me, like ever, seeing her as anything but almost top town is questionable
is Rhul just lower because people are voting them?
Talk to me about Alora's scummy early days, and idk how that now translate to being above Ame
Personally I don't care why Taly is your top town, I care about you expanding on your wolf reads, and slightly obscure town reads
VOTE: NDMath
I think this is a good vote based on #1106
do you consider urself a weak town player? if not I cant really fathom this disconnect between where I think your reads should be, and where they are at, coming from a town player
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:58 pm
by Luca Blight
That’s reads list seems fake to me.
Tom being that high in the list without remembering why you TR him doesn’t make sense.
Your Fuzzy reasoning is bad. Your read on him shouldn’t be entirely based on who has pushed him, especially when his wagon has amounted to nothing.
I can kind of get your Wiisp point, but the ease at which you arrived at it seems like TMI.
Your Paragon SR is vague. What was scummy about his Taly push? It feels as though you’re buddying Taly tbh.
I’m not buying your paranoia of me. I don’t feel it’s justified/natural based on the posts I’ve made about you.
, social experiment, towncase me even if you don't believe I'm town.
I've never been good at debating a case that I don't believe in, and I'm pretty null on you atm, but I'll get to this once I'm done with my replying.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:14 pm
by Luca Blight
Math’s reads haven’t really developed since his first post, with the exception of his Tom read which is following the common trend. In general he is budding Taly and mirroring his stances in virtually every aspect.
His comments regarding Paragon seem really scummy to me.
In post 906, Taly wrote:How would you describe your gameplay?
I would describe myself as a scholar to the art of mafia, here to learn what I can in order to defeat the threat of the Sin Eaters.
I am not the hero of the story, I am merely an assistant to the Warriors of Light that maintain the front lines in our fight. That is my purpose.
UGH can someone tell me why I find this scummy? VOTE: Yshtola Rhul
As a serious response, I think the post is NAI (not alignment indicative) and that you should not scumread people for annoying you which is probably going to be something that's gonna keep happening to you whether you like it or not.
When I asked her main account in another game she also converted the in-game question to a roleplay question and told me about how she's a mi'quote and not a Viera and apologized that miqote's aren't as beautiful as Viera or something. She probably would have posted that same thing if she rolled town, scum, or unlyncher.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:18 pm
by Taly
also
yshtola
do me a favor and actually provide reads, it can't be that much of a stretch, if you somehow need help forming them after 45 pages then you have to hold my hand and point out how to help you. I can't rationalize how you can be town until you do.
There's literally people who have been scumreading each other consistently this dayphase who collectively agree that your posting lacks a severe level of substance and I've seen enough of your answers to my questions to where it's boring to dismiss them as non-malicious. Inaction is a scum tool.
also, if
hectic
=
paragon
and
pops
saying my reply to his case in 1083 is prompting A LOT OF MISGIVINGS but I'm kind of tired of this 1v1 with
pops
because her attention to me only lasts as long as my vote/push is on her and it's getting real old. 1087
ame
throwing up preflip associatives on the most active people in the thread is really not settling with me, especially as she didn't seem to evaluate my response to the importance of town cohesion but w/e
but i have a hard time seeing 1080 come from scum. like,
In post 1080, Wiisp wrote:I swear I see the same people talking every page, with some random pop ins,
Logically speaking there is likely to be 0-1 wolves in that grouping and probably no more
if
wiisp
were scum, why is he painting the most vocal and impactful players as town? the only reality this makes sense is that he is a partner to someone within
Pops/Taly/Ame/Paragon/Luca
or someone who is universally townread which is definitely NOT this group of people
, but that leads to a discussion of another atrocious preflip associative that all the main posters - including myself - have all surmised in the past several pages.
Namely, if
Wiisp
were scum within the active players he said were town, it makes 0 sense for almost all the active posters to have a weak read on him as stated. If
wiisp
flips scum at any point, all the mentioned posters to have 0-1 scum within them are up for suspicion - but this reality doesn't align with the narrative that
wiisp
has a partner in that group.
Luca Blight wrote:That’s reads list seems fake to me.
Tom being that high in the list without remembering why you TR him doesn’t make sense.
Your Fuzzy reasoning is bad. Your read on him shouldn’t be entirely based on who has pushed him, especially when his wagon has amounted to nothing.
I can kind of get your Wiisp point, but the ease at which you arrived at it seems like TMI.
Your Paragon SR is vague. What was scummy about his Taly push? It feels as though you’re buddying Taly tbh.
I’m not buying your paranoia of me. I don’t feel it’s justified/natural based on the posts I’ve made about you.
VOTE: Math
I really have a hard time trying to vibe with your pushes because they consist of finding error in most people's reads. You spend so much time finding error in someone's whole world of reads but you're not evaluating what specifically is scum-indicative about them.
Honestly, I'm pretty aware that
Math
could be buddying me since his entry post and I'm just so incredibly unbothered by it. Give me some credit.
What's odd to me is that you immediately go on the offensive before someone defines their strongest reads. It reads like you're finding things to discredit preemptively without voicing why.
Kind of the same way you inquire about what's scummy about
Paragon's
push onto me.
Is
Paragon's
push onto me scummy or towny? What was my push on him to you?
I haven't seen you verify your thoughts here, but I wonder if you're assuming
Math
should come to this conclusion, or if you're actually trying to figure this out yourself.
popsofctown wrote:I agree that 1106 looks like a scumpost VOTE: NDMath
LOL
pops
is going hard voting a lot of people the second I unvote her. That's funny.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:23 pm
by Aloratom
I have to agree with a few others on NDMath and say that that is an odd reads list post. I say it like that intentionally. Some of the reads are odd. But the post itself is odd -- not in line with what we've seen from NDMath thus far.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:26 pm
by popsofctown
I think the readslist is scummy for the way the reads are explained, not for the order of the names in the list, especially because I don't feel like I have this game solved
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:29 pm
by Luca Blight
I really have a hard time trying to vibe with your pushes because they consist of finding error in most people's reads. You spend so much time finding error in someone's whole world of reads but you're not evaluating what specifically is scum-indicative about them.
Honestly, I'm pretty aware that Math could be buddying me since his entry post and I'm just so incredibly unbothered by it. Give me some credit.
What's odd to me is that you immediately go on the offensive before someone defines their strongest reads. It reads like you're finding things to discredit preemptively without voicing why.
Kind of the same way you inquire about what's scummy about Paragon's push onto me. Is Paragon's push onto me scummy or towny? What was my push on him to you? I haven't seen you verify your thoughts here, but I wonder if you're assuming Math should come to this conclusion, or if you're actually trying to figure this out yourself.
That’s a nice generalization based on one post that I’ve just made and am still in the process of following up on.
I don’t care if you notice Math’s buddying or not; it pertains to my read on him, not you. Although it’s weird how little stock you give it. The timing and intensity of your defence is interesting, however, given you haven’t yet caught up on many of the previous pages.
If Math is able to define his strongest reads in a more satisfactory way I may change my vote, but such definitions haven’t been forthcoming.
I’ve already said Paragon’s Taly push was townie.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:30 pm
by popsofctown
Taly why don't you like me? I like you.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:40 pm
by Taly
idk i kind of lost caring much about how my posts are received since the past 10-15 pages have been "taly is fake, i dont trust taly, someone's pushes > taly's"
so im wanting to see more detail in
Math's
readslist but it's still more detailed than most of the playerlists' latest readslist and im kind of past the point of just asking about people's posts to get a handle on them.
p-edit
Luca Blight wrote:
I really have a hard time trying to vibe with your pushes because they consist of finding error in most people's reads. You spend so much time finding error in someone's whole world of reads but you're not evaluating what specifically is scum-indicative about them.
Honestly, I'm pretty aware that Math could be buddying me since his entry post and I'm just so incredibly unbothered by it. Give me some credit.
What's odd to me is that you immediately go on the offensive before someone defines their strongest reads. It reads like you're finding things to discredit preemptively without voicing why.
Kind of the same way you inquire about what's scummy about Paragon's push onto me. Is Paragon's push onto me scummy or towny? What was my push on him to you? I haven't seen you verify your thoughts here, but I wonder if you're assuming Math should come to this conclusion, or if you're actually trying to figure this out yourself.
That’s a nice generalization based on one post that I’ve just made and am still in the process of following up on.
I don’t care if you notice Math’s buddying or not; it pertains to my read on him, not you. Although it’s weird how little stock you give it. The timing and intensity of your defence is interesting, however, given you haven’t yet caught up on many of the previous pages.
If Math is able to define his strongest reads in a more satisfactory way I may change my vote, but such definitions haven’t been forthcoming.
I’ve already said Paragon’s Taly push was townie.
I'm reserving judgment on
Math's
"supposed buddying"
until he actually explains the read.
My defense of
Math's
post is partially due to most of the people on the same page saying he's scum for it immediately.
It pinged my
"this isn't a town-only push"
button hard.
And I'm pretty caught up on this game
Luca
. I just haven't sat down and reevaluated everything just yet and I don't think people are helping me much here.
Completely fine with you voting based on definitions and not stances and waiting for a response further. That wasn't clear when I read 1110, and that reassures me a little that you're coming from a town perspective.
And what was my push of
Paragon
like,
Luca
? You might want to jog my memory and explain if you said something because I don't think you've brought the thought directly to me.
popsofctown wrote:Taly why don't you like me? I like you.
pops
I really enjoy you, I think I might be tunneling you and I'm trying to break free of that train of thought and I'm having difficulty rationalizing a townread on you.
This isn't personal. I hope you're not genuinely upset with me over the mafia game.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:42 pm
by Taly
ehhh.... i hope im not being a dick.
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:47 pm
by popsofctown
Taly on a scale from 0 to 297, where 0 is "if I focus I will realize pops is town" and 297 is "I'm probably going to mislynch her some point this game even if she's town, there seems to be no way to view other perspectives", how much of +99 HP +99 ATK and +99 RCV would you have each?
Give me some credit.