Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

Whelp I am wrong on my Pooky read pooky’s town.

Unless of course I am just silly.

[MathBlade]

someone talk to me about the game, something interesting and fresh.

Also, Pooky got my back so he better not vote anywhere I don't vote.

I'm watching you bear. That foam finger should have my face on it.

BM and Titus are scums.

Spiffeh has a lock scumread on Dunn and I am all maybe? Would sheep

VOTE: Dunn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

someone talk to me about the game, something interesting and fresh.

Also, Pooky got my back so he better not vote anywhere I don't vote.

I'm watching you bear. That foam finger should have my face on it.

Fiery had to jump through a lot of hoops to win this!

[MathBlade]

Hey Pooky....

What’s your favorite meme on that anime bear site you used in repeated micro thread?

Very important question here and this definitely isn’t spam.

[Prism]

I've basically wound down and gone to bed but thoughts on Kitty slot LLD? I wasn't impressed with any of the responses.

Dunnstral is an okay vote in my book, I don't really know why I'm so hesitant to actually vote this game as opposed to just discussing it. I think it's just that I'm not confident...which normally doesn't stop me, but idk

[MathBlade]

Hey sangres don’t get pissed I had a major brainstorm and wanna cover some gaping fiery holes of stupidity from before. Yes I know I’ll explain this like d3 or something. But I really need to post now. Yes yeah anti town whatever yell at me later

BM is scum because trying to piss me off
Titus is just doesn’t wanna push me but her buddies wanna take advantage of LLD being silly and pushing me because she hates my town play.

Prism please vote Dunnstral or get into an argument with me.

Literally anything.

[MathBlade]

Look there’s a tarp over a building for no apparent reason.

@LLD how’s that for interesting?

Oh nope. Still weird?

Okay guess I will stay over here keep being town then. Cool

[MathBlade]

Spiffeh convinced me we should elim Dunn right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've basically wound down and gone to bed but thoughts on Kitty slot LLD? I wasn't impressed with any of the responses.

Dunnstral is an okay vote in my book, I don't really know why I'm so hesitant to actually vote this game as opposed to just discussing it. I think it's just that I'm not confident...which normally doesn't stop me, but idk

Kitty slot lives to day 2 because I don't believe Kuribo makes that post as scum.

Not that he is incapable of doing it, Kuribo is definitely skilled enough.

and not that Kuribo couldn't do that as a neutral non-alignment response in any game if they were having a hard day

but in this game with this circumstance and being in a hydra with Mala, I just don't see Kuribo making that post because he has to know it makes him look worse and cedes a ton of his ability to live to players like me.

And I'll jump on that shit. having a bad day? don't care, lemme push you and see if you squirm the way scum does.

and Kuribo knows it.

So IDK, they live to day 2 not buying that shit from Kuribo scum this specific game

[Lady Lambdadelta]

someone talk to me about the game, something interesting and fresh.

Also, Pooky got my back so he better not vote anywhere I don't vote.

I'm watching you bear. That foam finger should have my face on it.

BM and Titus are scums.

Spiffeh has a lock scumread on Dunn and I am all maybe? Would sheep

VOTE: Dunn

yeah no offense i'm not really looking to kiki with the top of my scum reads list tbh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've basically wound down and gone to bed but thoughts on Kitty slot LLD? I wasn't impressed with any of the responses.

Dunnstral is an okay vote in my book, I don't really know why I'm so hesitant to actually vote this game as opposed to just discussing it. I think it's just that I'm not confident...which normally doesn't stop me, but idk

Oh also, it's because we have a weird circumstantial where your vote doesn't actually apply any pressure right now. The way things are setup, it's very centered around the interactions and things I've already created so adding a random vote to say, Dunn or Titus or whatever doesn't much accomplish anything until the wagons condense and people take their stances.

I think you'll find your vote carries more weight in what it can accomplish in about a week or so.

[MathBlade]

I get you scumread me but you should really really watch where your left over cookies ashes go. I found them three blocks over on Ghost Street.

*puppy eyes*

Please I am horrible at cases and Dunn is scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I get you scumread me but you should really really watch where your left over cookies ashes go. I found them three blocks over on Ghost Street.

*puppy eyes*

Please I am horrible at cases and Dunn is scum?

I'm not killing Dunn today so you might as well look somewhere else. You're going to have a very hard time killing something that doesn't at least meet my approval.

Dunn isn't dying today, and discussing that with you leads to nothing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, but I will happily flashwagon Mastina to death if people want.

Cause she apprently got time to hyper post in other games but not the time to do anything except suck horrendously in this one

[MathBlade]

I would be down for Mastina.

The main problem is we got tons of lurk sacs.

Like my pref is BM or Titus
Second pref is Mastina
I could also go quiet/Dunn.

Dunn has more votes and I really like Spiffeh’s case.

If you flash it I join it.

Til then I kinda want this day to end because pretty sure we don’t got 200 more pages.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would be down for Mastina.

The main problem is we got tons of lurk sacs.

Like my pref is BM or Titus
Second pref is Mastina
I could also go quiet/Dunn.

Dunn has more votes and I really like Spiffeh’s case.

If you flash it I join it.

Til then I kinda want this day to end because pretty sure we don’t got 200 more pages.

See this is why I'm so disappointed.

Do you know how scummy you have to be to convince me not to kill Mastina?

Killing Mastina is like fucking opening presents on christmas.

You're ruining christmas, is my point. That's the argument.

No, wait, it's that you're scum. that's the argument. My apologies.

[MathBlade]

Take your present I will “bus” Mastina? Get it over elim.

Happy now.

Because you’re clearly not a mason

VOTE: Mastina

[MathBlade]

I will even case Dunn later tonight maybe while my vote is on Mastina.

I am THAT scummy.

[mastina]

Not gonna lie: I really don't feel like playing mafia today, but I can't in good faith justify not doing so, especially given what will be happening this weekend. (Friday/Saturday are the last days of my lifeguard recert but I am expecting the fallout to last into the week after--after all, last Friday's fallout was only mostly solved by yesterday.)

(Also, unrelated: my right index finger is badly hurting whenever I type using it or whenever I click using my mouse. I get a sharp pain whenever pressing down using it, feels like some sort of nerve or tendon or something on the top part of my finger, so that also makes today suck.)

Mastina why do you scumread me despite making the same arguments as me?

Well basically: until you began to commit to the Prism push, I thought it was possible you were scumbuddies with Prism, distancing without committing to a hard-bus.

I'm now more of the opinion that there's a maximum of one scum between {you, Prism}, but individually I see a lot of your scumgame in this game, so it's not guaranteed that it's Prism. There's a lot of things which I see from you which look like scum, and if my scumread on Prism were wrong, you'd move to pretty much lockscum. But if my scumread on Prism is right, then in spite of thinking your play looks like scum you'd move to locktown.

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact. [Points 3 on are all scum because flavor]

Thanks, very specific. I am scum for flavor and for signaling that the meta shift was intentional. Somehow this is not a facetious strawman.

Correct, but you left out the point of you having done nothing that's town.

That might not seem like a point, but it

is

--in a game which is self-evidently being solved by townblocking and thus poe is a bitch that will kill all the scum...

...Doing nothing which is town...

...Is, inherently...

...Automatically scum.

Since when do you write cases?

Combination of, 1: familiarity with the flavor (albeit rusty, I watched the show live and caught every episode as it aired but haven't rewatched the show since then and it's been like 10 years since the show was ran), 2: being ~inspired~ to post yesterday, 3: having finished in a fraction of the time I expected for catching up (there was a lot less comment-worthy than I thought), 4: boredom, with it being too soon for me to go to bed, and 5: me not wanting to forget when someone would inevitably ask me why Prism is a scumread of mine--after all, while having my other scumreads south of the null line is in line with thread consensus, having Prism there runs contrary to it so it was only a matter of time before someone asked me about it.

I was planning on waiting until that inevitable question of "Why is Prism a scumread?", but I was afraid that by the time someone did, I'd have forgotten the case; it was already sounding, by the minute, less and less coherent and cohesive so I was terrified that if I didn't write and post it

now

, by the time someone asked, I'd go, "...I, uh...don't remember but I SWEAR it was good, promise!".

[GreyICE]

Okay, fuck it, you sold me. I've seen naked survivalism before, but this approaches performance art.

Vote: Mathblade

If I'm dead tomorrow and you're looking at my ISO from the future, please don't write this wagon off as proving LLD is town, given what mathblade is doing this page.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

...Doing nothing which is town...

...Is, inherently...

...Automatically scum.

this is not actually true

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I really should watch this show huh

[MathBlade]

Okay, fuck it, you sold me. I've seen naked survivalism before, but this approaches performance art.

Vote: Mathblade

If I'm dead tomorrow and you're looking at my ISO from the future, please don't write this wagon off as proving LLD is town, given what mathblade is doing this page.

Oh I indeed put on a performance monseuir but it is not survival art.

Now excuse me I am working on a Dunn case while voting Mastina as the not mason lady commands.

Which is so clearly dissodent and scummy.

All of my reads are still accurate during this “performance”.

[MathBlade]

Okay, fuck it, you sold me. I've seen naked survivalism before, but this approaches performance art.

Vote: Mathblade

If I'm dead tomorrow and you're looking at my ISO from the future, please don't write this wagon off as proving LLD is town, given what mathblade is doing this page.

Hey Grey might be scum too instead of quiet.

Lalalalalala

More performing to do.

How scummy can Math be while being town?

[mastina]

Anyway, I really don't like mastina's flavor-case. It takes a cartoonish oversimplification of HG to call her a baddie IMO, given how evil and twisted the antagonists of that series are.

You apparently are forgetting that HG Wells's goal was

literally to destroy the world

, and that, through outwitting, outmaneuvering, the heroes, through manipulation, deceit, experience, and sheer ruthlessness, almost succeeded. And the only thing causing her to have not succeeded was Myka talking her out of it; Myka, in of herself, couldn't stop HG Wells, because HG Wells had

won

.

During her tenure as an antagonist, she WAS genuinely evil and twisted. She was sympathetic (tho that's not a trait unique to her as an antagonist; I recall the first Big Bad was also fairly sympathetic especially near the end), and more sympathetic than most villains, and the parallels of her and Myka did lead to her redemption (similar to how, had she not outright murdered the first Big Bad, it was possible his parallels to Artie could've led to his potential redemption), but she WAS a villain for a full season, and thus calling her town for what she ended up being at the end is a mistake.

I happen to believe, given the flavor and mechanics of the game, that it is more likely she is scum than that she is town.

It's almost as bad as calling Artie a likely scum role because of what using Magellan's Astrolabe did to him.

And why do you think that

isn't

a possibility?

Sure, it ultimately is penguin's decision, it's ultimately penguin's choice, penguin_alien very well may have opted not to do so and if so there would be reasonably good reasons for it, because Artie wasn't a villain for all but one season.

But it is ultimately penguin's decision, and Artie very well

could

be a villain, specifically thanks to a flavor justification OF using what Magellan's Astrolabe did to him. He, Artie, literally killed one of the supporting, borderline-main-characters, characters, one of the first to die in the show and one who was literally irreplaceable thanks to their unique talent. He orchestrated a bunch of very bad things that happened thanks to that artefact's influence, and was, essentially, thanks to the delusions/brainwashing of that artifact, essentially the (unwitting) Big Bad of a full season.

You can make the argument either way--Artie could be town for his overall presence as a hero, or Artie could be scum for his tenure as an (unwitting) Big Bad-tier villain who did absolutely atrocious acts.

If someone does end up claiming to be Artie, I would do the obvious: judge whether they are more likely to be town or scum off of their claimed role and crossreferencing it to the game's mechanics AND the flavor backing it. If I thought that it was more likely Artie was scum, I would vote him; if I thought it was more likely that this was Artie as town, I would defend him.

And that's true of Prism. I understand the flavor behind why HG Wells would be town--I am also intimately familiar with the flavor behind why she would be scum. And I am judging the claim of Prism being HG Wells and whether they are more likely to be town or scum off of their claimed role and crossreferencing it to the game's mechanic and the flavor backing it.

And it makes a LOT more sense for Prism to be scum starting with the trident than it does for Prism to be town starting with it.

Tell me: during what period in the show does HG Wells own the trident? Is it during her time as a hero, or a villain?
Tell me: during the pregame, which faction do we know started with artifacts from the game mechanics?
Tell me: on the show, was the trident an artifact used by the heroes or an artifact used by the villains? (Okay this one I admit I don't remember the exact answer to but I remember at least one villain who used it.)